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Friday, November 20, 2009

Henry, Yankees Catch Break as Soccer, Baseball Ban Video Replay

The left hand of Thierry Henry and the left-field foul line at Yankee Stadium have something in common: No instant replay.

France reached soccer’s World Cup finals on an overtime goal against Ireland that was set up by what replays showed was a ball illegally directed by Henry’s left hand onto the path of teammate William Gallas.

A month earlier and 3,500 miles (5,600 kilometers) to the west, the New York Yankees won a first-round game in Major League Baseball’s playoffs with help from a final-inning call on a fly ball down the left-field line by Joe Mauer of the Minnesota Twins that was called foul.

Video replays led even the umpire who called it, Phil Cuzzi, to say that the ruling should have been fair. The Yankees won 4-3 in the bottom of the 11th on their way to claiming a record-extending 27th World Series title.

Each case brought cries for the use of video replay to help determine the correct call. Both sports’ leaders said, ‘No.’

“Until I am no longer president, there will be no chance” for replays, said Sepp Blatter, the head of soccer’s governing body FIFA, which said yesterday that the France-Ireland result stood.

#### the Yankees. #### France.

Gamingboy Posted: November 20, 2009 at 04:25 PM | 11018 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1201. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:29 PM (#3523571)
Adam Johnson with a near miss. Gomes makes his money there.
   1202. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:31 PM (#3523575)
Spurs are really dominating in the air. Hopefully it leads to something.
   1203. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:32 PM (#3523577)
Bellamy is a whiny little snot.
   1204. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:36 PM (#3523594)
Gomes is having himself a game.
   1205. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:41 PM (#3523609)
Crouch with a great pass to Bale but he can't convert.
   1206. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:48 PM (#3523627)
Yahoo's gamecast makes it seem like City are attacking Assou-Ekotto pretty regularly. That accurate Shooty?
   1207. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:50 PM (#3523628)
Yes. He's the weak link on defense right now.
   1208. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:50 PM (#3523631)
Man City is really pushing him around, he's so much smaller. A pretty even first half. Still anyone's game.
   1209. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:52 PM (#3523634)
Has anyone seen the replay of the called off goal? Any opinions? Looked pretty close to clean to me.
   1210. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:54 PM (#3523638)
Man, my cat freakin LOVES when I give in and turn on the AC. He practically humps the air conditioner vent. (This is the kind of commentary you won't get from Tommy Smith.)
   1211. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:55 PM (#3523639)
Thought it was clean, but those kind of goals are always 50/50 as to whether they get allowed.

City mostly seem to be attacking Kaboul / through the middle and crossing to the far post where Ekotto is - he's doing well. Kaboul is on a yellow so they should keep hammering that side.

Man, my cat freakin LOVES when I give in and turn on the AC. He practically humps the air conditioner vent. (This is the kind of commentary you won't get from Tommy Smith.)


A cat and his love for electrical appliances cannot be separated.
   1212. TFTIO who can remember his past lives Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:55 PM (#3523640)
Right in the old onionbag, eh, Shooty?
   1213. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 07:58 PM (#3523642)
Right in the old onionbag, eh, Shooty?

I don't know what this means!

I'm really impressed Spurs are attacking and going for the win. Screw playing for the tie.
   1214. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:01 PM (#3523645)
Think there's goals in this game for both sides, it's been really open.
   1215. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:17 PM (#3523660)
OHHH! Bale and DeFoe create a hell of a chance! No luck.
   1216. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3523661)
Vieria in for Man City.
   1217. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:19 PM (#3523662)
Fulop literally saved the goal with his fingertips.
   1218. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3523663)
Yellow for Huddlestone. You get the feeling no one likes De Jong, no?
   1219. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3523664)
So have I missed anything exciting? I can follow this, now that the Rivera and Joba-less Yankee bullpen has managed to just barely hold on to a lead. 5-1 homestand, woo!
   1220. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:23 PM (#3523666)
0-0 30 minutes to go. Good chances for both sides, but Spurs have come closest.
   1221. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:25 PM (#3523669)
Thought the King goal could have gone either way. It was technically a foul but worse goes unpenalized. City have been the better side, but Defoe and Crouch have had the two best chances. I feel bad for Defoe. Don't like his game, but if that shot (which was perfectly struck) goes in, then the narrative about him probably changes a lot.
   1222. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:26 PM (#3523671)
Also, when did Younes Kaboul become reasonably competent?
   1223. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:29 PM (#3523677)
Nice cross from Lennon. I love watching Lennon try to feed Crouch.
   1224. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:31 PM (#3523681)
Spurs starting to assert themselves.
   1225. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:32 PM (#3523682)
Oh man. Crouch a little too slow!
   1226. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3523685)
So close! Spurs looking better right now.
   1227. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:39 PM (#3523694)
Goddamit!
   1228. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:40 PM (#3523696)
How have Spurs not scored yet?!
   1229. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:41 PM (#3523698)
The sheikhs owe Fulop a nice bonus.
   1230. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:42 PM (#3523701)
...and whoever came up with the bogus emergency loan rule.
   1231. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:43 PM (#3523703)
YES!!!!!!!!!
   1232. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3523704)
Spurs earned that!
   1233. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3523705)
Who guessed Kaboul would be the hero?
   1234. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:45 PM (#3523707)
Richly deserved for Crouch and Spurs.
   1235. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:46 PM (#3523708)
That's Champions League football for Spurs!
   1236. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3523710)
Ever since Barry went off Man City have been absolute garbage in midfield. Not just that they aren't creating, they aren't protecting the back 4 either. At this stage in his career, what is the point of Vieira?

And as I type, it's game over. I hope Khalifa bin Zayed fires Mancini, his performance has been pathetic.
   1237. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3523711)
Still lots of time! Shush!
   1238. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:48 PM (#3523712)
Wow. Just hang on now.
   1239. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:48 PM (#3523713)
Finally, Palacios is coming on.
   1240. Swedish Chef Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3523714)
That's Champions League football for Spurs!

Not even the inevitable pathetic display against Burnley can stop them now!
   1241. ursus arctos Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3523715)
Careful, RB. It's not over yet, and there is still a CL qualifier even if they win.

Unless Tottenham catch Arsenal, of course, which would be intensely amusing.
   1242. Swedish Chef Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:52 PM (#3523720)
Unless Tottenham catch Arsenal, of course, which would be intensely amusing.

Wenger's constant whining about teams that doesn't treat football as a non-contact sport amuses me.
   1243. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:52 PM (#3523721)
4 more minutes
   1244. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3523722)
Adebayor has been offside the entire damn game.
   1245. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:54 PM (#3523724)
2 minutes
   1246. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3523725)
I haven't been this pleased with a soccer game since Liverpool beat Man U at Anfield. I don't know why I like Spurs so much, but I definitely know why I hate City.
   1247. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3523726)
1 minute
   1248. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:56 PM (#3523727)
That's it! Arsenal better win!
   1249. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 08:57 PM (#3523729)
Nice sportsmanship from Bellamy there.
   1250. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:00 PM (#3523734)
Adebayor has been offside the entire damn game.


he spent the majority of his arsenal career offside as well
   1251. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:13 PM (#3523749)
Congrats to Shooty and any other Spurs fans, this is a good day for you.

As a neutral it sets up a rather dull final Sunday though. CL is decided, relegation is decided and while the title itself remains up for grabs I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Wigan go into Stamford Bridge and come away with the result needed. I guess we have the Stoke/Blackburn/Fulham battle for tenth though!
   1252. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:21 PM (#3523759)
Rednapp must be feeling good.

As a neutral it sets up a rather dull final Sunday though.

Right. I don't see any excitement this weekend. A slim chance Spurs can overtake Arsenal, but that's it. Still, today's game was very entertaining so you can't feel too cheated, right? Also, Mattbert deserves much more congrats than me. I'm a newbie Spurs fan and he's much more entwined with the team than I am. I adopted the team after the last WC because I really like Lennon, my girl was partial to Tottenham and they get a mention in a book by one of my favorite writers, John McGahern. Honestly, I feel like a frontrunner right now, but I never thought Tottenham would rise up the table this fast. It's still fun. I really enjoy the mix of players Spurs have and I'm very happy they went for the win today. They can be proud now.
   1253. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:25 PM (#3523762)
City are threatening to sue for libel over that, Shooty.
   1254. Flynn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:27 PM (#3523764)
That's Champions League football for Spurs!

Time to retire the Champions League name methinks.
   1255. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:28 PM (#3523767)
City are threatening to sue for libel over that, Shooty.

Which "that"? Tell them they can't get blood from a stone!
   1256. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:37 PM (#3523772)
They're not going to sue you, numpty. They're threatening to sue Redknapp for saying they coerced Spurs into dropping their bid for Bellamy.
   1257. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:38 PM (#3523775)
They're not going to sue you, numpty. They're threatening to sue Redknapp for saying they coerced Spurs into dropping their bid for Bellamy.

Hey! I've been drinking since 2:55! Do libel suits ever actually happen?
   1258. Swedish Chef Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:41 PM (#3523778)
Hey! I've been drinking since 2:55! Do libel suits ever actually happen?

They are very common in England, which has some of the silliest libel laws around. For example, David Moyes sued and won over Wayne Rooney's autobiography.
   1259. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:50 PM (#3523792)
Ah. I'm used to here where threatening a libel suit is almost always posturing, unless you're Roger Clemens. Seems like a weird story for Harry to make up.
   1260. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: May 05, 2010 at 09:57 PM (#3523798)
Congrats to the Spurs fans here, I was rooting for them to take the 4th spot because of you guys.
   1261. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 05, 2010 at 10:16 PM (#3523812)
A version of that story was current at the time of the transfers. At the time the word was that Spurs and City had agreed not to compete over the two players, so they wouldn't drive the prices up by bidding against each other. Nothing official was said though (because if true that looks like an illegal anti-competitive practice). But now Redknapp comes out and seems to be accusing Man City of blackmail. No wonder they are consulting their lawyers.

I am not saying Redknapp has made it up, but I don't think you should make accusations of blackmail without good evidence.
   1262. Elston Gunn Posted: May 05, 2010 at 10:27 PM (#3523823)
Zonal marking has a good report on the game up.
   1263. Mattbert Posted: May 05, 2010 at 11:06 PM (#3523850)
Glory, glory.

I've just finished watching the parade of missed chances on Sky Sports News and I have to say I'm glad I didn't watch the game live. I'd be lying dead on the floor with a smile on my face right now. Thank heavens they finally found the back of the net. I'm almost more relieved than elated.

In other news, Craven Cottage is a fantastic place to see a football game, even one as middling as Fulham-Stoke was tonight. There's probably not a bad seat in the whole joint, very intimate, awesome location, just a really fun little yard.
   1264. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:09 PM (#3524403)
I've been reading about the seeding possibilities for the CL next year and I have to say, it's incredibly complicated. I'm not the brightest guy so hopefully Spurs can come in third and save me having to learn calculus.
   1265. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3524425)
F365 have been sued by Martin O'Niell four times and lost each one -- so now all mention of him by anyone has been banned. Ha!

And Portsmouth are in the ####. HMRC just hit them with a 100% fine for non-payment of taxes brining their slice of the debt above 25% so are now in a position to block any CVA and force liquidation of the club.
   1266. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3524430)
I've been reading about the seeding possibilities for the CL next year and I have to say, it's incredibly complicated. I'm not the brightest guy so hopefully Spurs can come in third and save me having to learn calculus.
It seems to come down in large part to the draw, right? They could either end up facing someone legitimately good, or with a couple of breaks, they end up playing the 2nd place team from the Macedonian Premier League or something.
   1267. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:21 PM (#3524432)
It seems to come down in large part to the draw, right? They could either end up facing someone legitimately good, or with a couple of breaks, they end up playing the 2nd place team from the Macedonian Premier League or something.

I don't even know. But if they don't get a seed then, yeah, they'll have to play someone good instead of, say, Celtic. (Sorry!)

By the way, RB, espn is featuring a West Ham story on their soccer page. Not a happy one, I'm afraid.
   1268. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:29 PM (#3524442)
By the way, RB, espn is featuring a West Ham story on their soccer page. Not a happy one, I'm afraid.
Yikes! I can't help but wonder if he is exaggerating, at least a little bit, to paint himself as the hero but it makes me profoundly grateful that Sullivan and Gold stepped in, since the club was clearly a financial mess.

But they're saying the right things, which is good. I'm not dreaming of European football or anything, but after the last few years, it would just be nice to have a couple of seasons without relegation drama or financial turmoil.
   1269. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:33 PM (#3524446)
But they're saying the right things, which is good. I'm not dreaming of European football or anything, but after the last few years, it would just be nice to have a couple of seasons without relegation drama or financial turmoil.

It sounds like you guys will be ok once some bad contracts come off the books. One problem may be that, next season, some strong teams look like they're coming into the EPL. Am I right to assume Newcastle is not your typical promotion fodder?
   1270. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:42 PM (#3524460)
Let's see if I can figure this out. The 4th place team in the English Premier League is going to be in the "Best placed team Play-off" with nine other teams. This is a parallel group which never plays members of the "Champions Play-off" (that is, actual champions, of all the small leagues) until the actual CL group stages. Five from the "Best placed teams Play-off" and five from the "Champions Play-off" teams will get into the CL group stages.

To be one of the five teams from the "Best placed teams Play-off", Spurs will have to win a single home-and-away, like Arsenal did against Celtic last year. Against one of:

-Italian fourth-place (Sampdoria -- or possibly Palermo)
-Spanish fourth-place (Sevilla -- or possibly Mallorca)
-German third-place (Werder Bremen -- or possibly Bayer Leverkusen)
-French third-place (Auxerre -- or possibly Lille, Lyon, Bordeaux or Montpellier)
- five winners of "Best placed teams third qualifying round", which is played between the second place teams from ten other countries. Which are:
Celtic
Ajax
Zenit
Dynamo Kiev
Portugal (Braga, unless they win and Benfica lose this weekend)
Romania (currently the legendary Unirea Urziceni but there are many possibilites)
Turkey (Fenerbahce or Bursaspor[?!?])
Belgium (Club Brugge or Gent)
Greece (winners of this playoff)
Switzerland (Basel or Young Boys)

Now, maybe you'd prefer to play Lyon, or maybe you'd rather play the winner of Young Boys/FC Vaslui. It seems to be random.
   1271. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:44 PM (#3524462)
Am I right to assume Newcastle is not your typical promotion fodder?


I would think at the very least they'd have a bit more money than most promoted teams to buy players and they should also be a bit more appealing to a player than a yo-yo team like West Brom. Going to Newcastle a player is going to feel like he has a decent chance of staying up.

VERY early handicapping of the 2010-11 relegation battle I would assume Newcastle stays up while West Brom, the playoff winner and then Wigan, West Ham and Wolves (hmmmm...what's with the "W" teams?) in the relegation fight. Stoke's "draw at all costs" approach could bite them in the ass at some point and I wonder if Birmingham City has a Reading like collapse in them.
   1272. Juan V Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:54 PM (#3524481)
Depending on how Sevilla, Lyon and Werder end up, Spurs could sneak into a seeded spot for their qualifiers draw.
   1273. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: May 06, 2010 at 03:59 PM (#3524487)
Newcastle also have a stronger squad then most promoted teams as the club still has a fair number of premier league quality players -- it was off the field turmoil that sent the team down not a lack of player quality (other than the decaying corpses of Geremi and Nicky Butt).

Only uncertainty (as always) is that nobody knows what the hell Mike Ashley is going to do. He could invest or he could decide to sell and no transfers are made.
   1274. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 06, 2010 at 04:01 PM (#3524491)
I hope Nottingham Forest gets promoted. I just like the name Nottingham Forest.
   1275. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 04:03 PM (#3524493)
To be one of the five teams from the "Best placed teams Play-off", Spurs will have to win a single home-and-away, like Arsenal did against Celtic last year. Against one of:
That's not quite right--I think--because those teams are guarenteed spots in the third round, but not to advance to the home-and-away stage where Spurs are coming into the tournament. So those are the most likely opponents, but someone like Sparta Prague could pull off an upset and get themselves into it.
   1276. Richard Posted: May 06, 2010 at 04:09 PM (#3524499)
Spurs v Man City was not the most exciting game in the UK last night. Fans of comebacks and appalling defending should check out highlights of Motherwell vs Hibs in the SPL.

I hope Nottingham Forest gets promoted. I just like the name Nottingham Forest.

I'd put them as favourites for the playoffs. None of those 4 sides will stay up, though.
   1277. ursus arctos Posted: May 06, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3524605)
Tottenham's UEFA team ranking is quite good (30th overall, thanks largely to decent UEFA Cup campaigns in 06/07 and 07/08). It is therefore quite likely that they will be seeded in the qualifying round that Crispix describes. On the basis of current tables, Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit and two of the possible French sides (OL and Bordeaux) are the only clubs with a better coefficient that are likely to feature in that round.

That said, seeding may not rule out a potential tie against Ajax and Martin Jol, who managed to finish second in the Eredivisie with a +86 goal difference (and over 100 goals).
   1278. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 05:19 PM (#3524612)
I hope Nottingham Forest gets promoted. I just like the name Nottingham Forest.
Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, Accrington Stanley, Leyton Orient, Plymouth Argyle... unusual names are great.
   1279. Mefisto Posted: May 06, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3524647)
A real Spurs fan would be talking about which team Arsenal will have to face in the playoff.
   1280. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 06, 2010 at 05:45 PM (#3524653)
A real Spurs fan would be talking about which team Arsenal will have to face in the playoff.

If I thought Fulham was going to field a real team Saturday...
   1281. Mattbert Posted: May 06, 2010 at 07:42 PM (#3524763)
Ich bin ein Cottager!
   1282. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 08:06 PM (#3524781)
And Portsmouth are in the ####. HMRC just hit them with a 100% fine for non-payment of taxes brining their slice of the debt above 25% so are now in a position to block any CVA and force liquidation of the club.
The BBC article I read was slightly--very, very slightly--optimistic, and I'm no bankruptcy expert, let alone UK bankruptcy. But I don't understand how Portsmouth--who seem to owe a giant pile of money to pretty much everyone--can stay afloat.

Perhaps they'll ask the Premier League to give them their parachute as a lump sum. It seems like best case would have them going down to League 1 and hanging there for a couple of years.
   1283. Mefisto Posted: May 06, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3524799)
Ich bin ein Cottager!


And I, for one, think you'd look great in their uniform. Talk to Roy -- he's having a special this weekend only.
   1284. ursus arctos Posted: May 06, 2010 at 09:12 PM (#3524836)
Mattbert, you are aware of the English vernacular meaning of "cottaging", aren't you?
   1285. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 06, 2010 at 09:32 PM (#3524860)
The BBC article I read was slightly--very, very slightly--optimistic, and I'm no bankruptcy expert, let alone UK bankruptcy. But I don't understand how Portsmouth--who seem to owe a giant pile of money to pretty much everyone--can stay afloat.
This is not bankruptcy, this is administration. In England & Wales bankruptcy only applies to individuals (I have no idea about Scottish law). The short version looks like this:

Portsmouth has failed as a business, so it's up to the creditors to decide the future. The options are either (1) write off debts/inject capital such that the business can exit administration and go along its merry way, or (2) liquidate the business - that means sell off everything you can sell off, and the business is no more. In Portsmouth's case, liquidation is pointless - they don't own their stadium, training ground or anything else. All they have is player contracts (which are also liabilities in terms of wages) and if the club no longer exists, those contracts are void. No-one will buy players off Portsmouth in liquidation proceedings, they'll just wait a couple of weeks and sign them as free agents. So if they liquidate, the creditors will get absolutely nothing.

But the club does have one very valuable asset which cannot be sold - membership of the Championship for the 2010/11 season. So the proposal is that the creditors will simply write off 75% of the debt, and assume ownership of the club - and hence the asset. You are quite right that any other business would be liquidated - as you say, they owe a giant pile of money to everyone. But because liquidating the club would destroy a valuable asset, the creditors won't do that - they'd rather have the asset than nothing.

But they'd lose that asset if the Football League kicked them out - if that happened, they might as well liquidate. And if they don't pay 100% of what they owe to their football creditors (meaning players, transfer fees to other clubs, etc), then they will be kicked out. So the proposal the administrator is putting to the creditors will see the football creditors get paid every penny, and the other unsecured creditors lose out very badly. Gaydamak, al-Fahim, etc will go along with this because the alternative is getting nothing. But the Inland Revenue (i.e. the taxman) will do everything possible to stop this happening, because

1) They're the government so they can afford to take a long view
2) They don't agree with the League's rules about unsecured creditors
3) They think that what's going on here is manipulating the insolvency rules

And the Revenue are, of course, right.

So I totally disagree with you about the best case, RB. If they can exit administration before the start of next season and find a buyer, they can absolutely be a reasonable Championship club - and perhaps come back to the Premiership in a few years. It actually rather stinks - which is why the Revenue are so pissed off.

Hope this helps.
   1286. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: May 06, 2010 at 11:30 PM (#3524969)
Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, Accrington Stanley, Leyton Orient, Plymouth Argyle... unusual names are great.

Yeah, in a version of FM from a couple years ago my primary save was with Solihull Moors, because I thought Solihull Moors was a sweet name. Also, I kept calling my team "Solihull Moops" in my head.
   1287. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2010 at 12:09 AM (#3525011)
But the club does have one very valuable asset which cannot be sold - membership of the Championship for the 2010/11 season.


What happens if they go belly up before the season starts? Does the loser of the League One playoff get promoted? Does the Championship have just 23 teams? There must be a contingency if that occurs.
   1288. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 07, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3525012)
I like Tokyngton Manor. Because I was looking at a database of attendances at all levels of the English league system, and there was exactly one game with attendance listed as 1, and it was a Tokyngton Manor game.

"VT FC"? Why on earth would you give up a name like "Vosper Thornycroft"? Could there ever be a better name than "Vosper Thornycroft" for anything?
   1289. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:06 AM (#3525073)
So I totally disagree with you about the best case, RB. If they can exit administration before the start of next season and find a buyer, they can absolutely be a reasonable Championship club - and perhaps come back to the Premiership in a few years. It actually rather stinks - which is why the Revenue are so pissed off.

Hope this helps.
That was stunningly helpful. I mean that genuinely, that explained the situation more clearly than every other article I've read on the subject put together. Admittedly I'm a little out of my depth because I don't have the familiarity as I would if I were "used to" the British system, but I can't be the only person confused about this.

That was really great, thanks much.
   1290. Richard Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:21 AM (#3525102)
What happens if they go belly up before the season starts? Does the loser of the League One playoff get promoted? Does the Championship have just 23 teams? There must be a contingency if that occurs.

The only precedent in the English leagues is Maidstone's resignation just before the start of the 1992-3 season. They were in the bottom league (current equivalent of league 2) anyway, so there was no knock on effect. The league did not bring anyone else in to replace them. No team in a higher division has ever dropped out before the start of the season or resigned during it.

Alou's explanation of Portsmouth's situation is excellent, btw. There is a war brewing between the UK tax authorities and the Football authorities over the "football creditors" rule.
   1291. Mattbert Posted: May 07, 2010 at 09:22 AM (#3525336)
Mattbert, you are aware of the English vernacular meaning of "cottaging", aren't you?

Yes. It is an unfortunate moniker for Fulham.
   1292. Mattbert Posted: May 07, 2010 at 09:40 AM (#3525337)
Gareth Bale has signed a new four-year contract with Tottenham, apparently. Very good news.
   1293. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 07, 2010 at 12:58 PM (#3525367)
Gareth Bale has signed a new four-year contract with Tottenham, apparently. Very good news.

Excellent. Evidently, Joe Cole is pushing to join Spurs, too. For me, I'd be happy if the team kept its young players and then add depth for next season. I don't think I'd want the team to go nuts and try to add a star. Just build around Modric and Bale and Dawson and add depth for the inevitable injuries and so you have a kick ass B team for the domestic cup competitions. You think they'll keep Gudjohnsen around?
   1294. Mattbert Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:10 PM (#3525373)
Evidently, Joe Cole is pushing to join Spurs, too.

I don't put much stock in this rumor, particularly when the source in the same breath says he's looking for over £100k/week. That's about £40k/week more than the current top earners at Spurs make. I doubt Levy will significantly alter the current wage structure until, at the earliest, the season before the proposed new stadium is due to open. There are some players out there who might tempt him to open the purse strings sooner, but Joe Cole ain’t one of them. Nice player, but I think last year's knee injury effectively ended his time as one of the elite players in England.

You think they'll keep Gudjohnsen around?

I think they'll try. His price tag may have gone up now that Monaco can start negotiations with Spurs by saying, "Well, now that you might have all that Champions League money to spend..." I really hope they are able to work something out because I've been hugely impressed with Gudjohnsen. Besides his obvious skill and footballing intelligence, having a guy in the squad who's been to the Champions League before would have considerable value.
   1295. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:21 PM (#3525381)
I was just reading at ESPN that Burnley can still qualify for Europa if Fulham beats Atletico? How is that possible?
   1296. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:30 PM (#3525390)
I was just reading at ESPN that Burnley can still qualify for Europa if Fulham beats Atletico? How is that possible?
If Fulham wins the Europa League, they're in automatically as the defending champions, right? That opens up the Fair Play League spot for Burnley, so they'd be in.

That would be a nice chunk of change for Burnley, they seem like a good bounce back candidate.
   1297. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:32 PM (#3525393)
For more on how Burnley can do the Relegation/Europe Double, see here. It is a shame Portsmouth can't make it into Europe because of their financial nonsense, I wonder if any league has ever had two relegated teams qualify for Europe.
   1298. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: May 07, 2010 at 01:40 PM (#3525403)
European football is wacky! That Fair Play rule is hilarious. I nominate the San Diego Padres to get a wildcard spot. They seem nice enough.
   1299. ursus arctos Posted: May 07, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3525495)
Two relegated teams in Europe from the same league has never happened.

The Fair Play teams start in the first qualifying round of the Europa League, which means a lot of games (and travel) before you can actually make any money. I wouldn't be surprised if Burnley would actually prefer working on their Championship campaign (the teams coming down for the Premiership are unusually weak this year).
   1300. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 07, 2010 at 03:40 PM (#3525505)
The Fair Play qualifying is how the great Motherwell got into the Europa league last year. I think they were actually playing games in July against a team from Wales, and then went on to lose 1-0 away at Flamurtari Vlore in a game featuring several stoppages to let the players drink water, only to win 8-1 in the home leg. (hmmm....guess which organized crime- and gambling ring-riddled country Flamurtari Vlore comes from)

Fulham vs. FK Vetra looks like Inter/Barca compared to the prospective Burnley vs. EB/Streymuir matchup we could have this summer. I think we should all hope for them to end up playing one of the runners-up in the Northern Irish or Welsh leagues.
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