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Friday, November 20, 2009

Henry, Yankees Catch Break as Soccer, Baseball Ban Video Replay

The left hand of Thierry Henry and the left-field foul line at Yankee Stadium have something in common: No instant replay.

France reached soccer’s World Cup finals on an overtime goal against Ireland that was set up by what replays showed was a ball illegally directed by Henry’s left hand onto the path of teammate William Gallas.

A month earlier and 3,500 miles (5,600 kilometers) to the west, the New York Yankees won a first-round game in Major League Baseball’s playoffs with help from a final-inning call on a fly ball down the left-field line by Joe Mauer of the Minnesota Twins that was called foul.

Video replays led even the umpire who called it, Phil Cuzzi, to say that the ruling should have been fair. The Yankees won 4-3 in the bottom of the 11th on their way to claiming a record-extending 27th World Series title.

Each case brought cries for the use of video replay to help determine the correct call. Both sports’ leaders said, ‘No.’

“Until I am no longer president, there will be no chance” for replays, said Sepp Blatter, the head of soccer’s governing body FIFA, which said yesterday that the France-Ireland result stood.

#### the Yankees. #### France.

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   901. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 01, 2010 at 09:10 PM (#3490728)
The only thing I will say, is that I have been around enough cities in enough european countries, to know that virtually every club has a section of fans that are simply complete nut-jobs.
Obviously, this is very true. But on a purely subjective level, Celtic fans doing that just enrages me like nothing else. But my more general point was - that derby matters too much. It is, after all, only football. It's kinda embarrassing to me that tempers run so high over such a trivial matter in a part of the UK in 2010. It's reason #7843 why I'd always call myself English, never British.

Despite that late goal I'd say Fulham are favourites. These are decent, but not great, results for both English clubs. Would they meet in the semis if they both get through?
   902. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: April 01, 2010 at 09:16 PM (#3490735)
But my more general point was - that derby matters too much. It is, after all, only football.

I was in Glasgow last year on a day when Celtic and Rangers both played at home but not against each other. Even that was enough to swear me off both teams. I decided I'd become a Partick Thistle supporter but I couldn't find any of their gear, not even in Partick. Ah well.

Too bad about Rooney and Fabregas. I prefer seeing teams at full strength for the stretch run. It doesn't help that Rooney will most likely be out vs. City but back in time, probably, for Tottenham. I'm starting to think Man City is going to sneak into that 4th spot.
   903. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 01, 2010 at 09:17 PM (#3490737)
And I would never call myself english, well of course it wouldn't be true if I did...

Thursday, 22 April 2010
Hamburg/Standard Liege v Fulham/Wolfsburg, SF, L1, 19:45
Valencia/Atletico Madrid v Benfica/Liverpool, SF, L1, 19:45

2:1 is basically what I call the standard first leg draw. In the sense that the tie is perfectly balanced, basically its the most neutral result (a draw would be a good result for the away team).
   904. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 01, 2010 at 09:33 PM (#3490751)
Wow, that's an awesome route to the final for Fulham. If we can get past Benfica (no given!) then I'd like to play Valencia. Villa, Silva, Mata, and a welcome home for Rafa. Then hopefuly Fulham in the final.

Jesus, am I really dreaming about Europa League "glory"? How did it come to this.
   905. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 01, 2010 at 09:42 PM (#3490761)
It's the new name!
   906. Flynn Posted: April 01, 2010 at 10:06 PM (#3490770)
But on a purely subjective level, Celtic fans doing that just enrages me like nothing else. But my more general point was - that derby matters too much. It is, after all, only football. It's kinda embarrassing to me that tempers run so high over such a trivial matter in a part of the UK in 2010. It's reason #7843 why I'd always call myself English, never British.

Uh, if you think the Old Firm derby is a cause of sectarianism in the West of Scotland/Northern Ireland and not a symptom, I question whether you've ever been to the West of Scotland.

And stop acting like Rangers fans are saints. Singing of being knee deep in Fenian blood is at least as bad as singing IRA songs on Rememberance Sunday, especially considering the war was immensely unpopular in Glasgow and set in force the death blow to British rule in Ireland.
   907. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 01, 2010 at 10:37 PM (#3490790)
Liverpool have played like absolute Trojans tonight but it's very hard playing 10 against 12. We can turn this around back at Anfield.

Absolutely. All things considered, 2-1 was not a bad result. If Babel doesn't get sent off, I bet Liverpool either grabs another or doesn't concede two.

Brutal red card (IMO), BTW. If anything, Luisao should have also gone off -- he made no effort whatsoever to play the ball with a blatant kick to the back of the knee. Benfica's penalties were both deserved, but for them to only finish with two yellows (IIRC) is inexplicable.

It will be interesting to see what Benitez does in the second leg. I imagine Benayoun will replace Babel, but who takes Insua's spot? Not that Insua is a key cog or anything, but both Aurelio and Kelly are also out. Kyrgiakos seems like a poor match-up for Benfica's forwards. Perhaps Mascherano moves back and Liverpool plays with only one holding/defensive midfielder?
   908. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: April 01, 2010 at 10:54 PM (#3490801)
Ok, is everyone in shell-shock, or did y'all just think the Arsenal/Barca game had nothing noteworthy about it?


That was the most compelling game I had seen in awhile. Not only was it a great game but the subplots, Fabregas against Barcelona, then getting the yellow eliminating the chance to play at Camp Nou, Pique and Puyol getting similarly banished from the return leg, made it as much theater as sport.

Barca has to feel devastated at giving away the 2-0 lead but they go home in good shape with the two away goals. Losing Pique and Puyol is bad but the pressure is going to be on Arsenal to score early so Barcelona should get some great counterattack chances.

It will be interesting to see how Arsenal comes out to play. They aren't going to win 1-0 so given that they have to score twice anyway they realistically can give up two free goals and as long as they get their two they get to penalties. They should be able to play pretty freely.
   909. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 01, 2010 at 10:55 PM (#3490802)
Uh, if you think the Old Firm derby is a cause of sectarianism in the West of Scotland/Northern Ireland and not a symptom, I question whether you've ever been to the West of Scotland.
I didnt say it was a cause. Ofc it's a symptom. But it's really bad, and embarrassing, that football is, in 2010, in a supposedly modern country, tied up in sectarianism. That derby matters too much because of all the stuff that's loaded onto it. I wish it would go away. Imagine if there were a lot of anti-Semitism etc when Spurs played Arsenal - clearly the match wouldn't be a cause of anti-semitism, but it would be awful if it brought it out, and I'd prefer that it not.
And stop acting like Rangers fans are saints.
When did I say anything of the sort? GTFO with this nonsense, stop trolling for a fight.
I imagine Benayoun will replace Babel, but who takes Insua's spot?
Assuming Aurelio isn't fit, I'd imagine Carragher plays left-back - he was our first-choice left back for several seasons. Masch is certainly no left-back.

Aquilani is now supposedly out the rest of the season with an ankle injury, Riera is persona non grata, Benitez simply doesn't have many choices. If either Skrtel and Aurelio can get fit in time, that would change things, but for now I think it simply has to be

Reina - Johnson Kyrgiakos Agger Carragher - Masch Lucas - Kuyt Gerrard Benayoun - Torres.

It's hardly inspiring, but it should be enough to get it done.
   910. Mefisto Posted: April 01, 2010 at 11:43 PM (#3490818)
That was the most compelling game I had seen in awhile. Not only was it a great game but the subplots, Fabregas against Barcelona, then getting the yellow eliminating the chance to play at Camp Nou, Pique and Puyol getting similarly banished from the return leg, made it as much theater as sport.


I thought the first 30 minutes or so was the greatest display of football I've ever seen and one of the greatest in any sport.
   911. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 02, 2010 at 01:22 AM (#3490841)
Assuming Aurelio isn't fit, I'd imagine Carragher plays left-back - he was our first-choice left back for several seasons. Masch is certainly no left-back.


IIRC, Mascherano got a start at left-back earlier in the season. You're obviously correct that he doesn't play there with any regularity.

------------------------------

For the MLS fans out there, how big a deal is it that they're apparently adding a second (and third) Designated Player spot(s)? A somewhat related question -- I see on the press release that the DP's salary will be "count[ed] as $335,000". That's not necessarily what the club will actually pay the player, correct? As a hypothetical, let's say New York goes and works out a deal with Barcelona for Henry -- not even counting the transfer fee, they'd still likely pay him much more than that $335,000 figure, yes? And that is just the number that counts for salary cap/"budget" purposes?

EDIT: Moments after posting, I found my answer:

Landon Donovan, who made $900,000 a year until signing a four-year, $8 million contract in December, had been grandfathered in -- his salary, like Beckham's, counted as only $415,000 against the cap.

Thursday's announcement officially makes Donovan a DP. Their salaries will each count as $335,000 -- the new figure -- against the cap, which was raised to $2.55 million this season.


http://espn.go.com/losangeles/columns/soccer/blog/_/post/5048542
   912. Juan V Posted: April 02, 2010 at 01:47 AM (#3490849)
Probably hindsight speaking... but wouldn't you feel Arsenal was one of the better possible draws for Barcelona? They are a similar but worse team, after all.
   913. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 02, 2010 at 11:21 AM (#3490939)
IIRC, Mascherano got a start at left-back earlier in the season. You're obviously correct that he doesn't play there with any regularity.
He's started at right-back once or maybe twice, and he filled in at right-back after Kyrgiakos got sent off in the Everton game, but I don't ever recall him playing left-back. I could be wrong, of course. But either way, I think it would be a bad move. His natural ability allows him to get away with it as a right back, but he's not got much of a left foot. Besides, if he plays in defence, who plays in midfield? It would have to be Spearing or Plessis, so we'd have a makeshift left-back and a weakened midfield, all in order to keep Kyrgiakos out of the side? I doubt Benitez does that. I don't rate Kyrgiakos, but Benitez thinks he's OK, and he's certainly very good in the air, which was a huge problem against Cardozo.

We don't have to go gung-ho about things. A calm, steady performance is going to be more than enough.
   914. Mattbert Posted: April 02, 2010 at 12:14 PM (#3490945)
Probably hindsight speaking... but wouldn't you feel Arsenal was one of the better possible draws for Barcelona? They are a similar but worse team, after all.

I think so. During that majestic opening spell, I can't remember any Arsenal players closing down and putting in a crisp tackle until Arshavin got booked for the challenge where he hurt himself in the process. Before that, I think Song was the only guy who even got within three yards of a Barca player.

Barca would/will have a much tougher time of it against a side that does a good job of denying time and space in midfield, e.g. United and Inter.
   915. ursus arctos Posted: April 02, 2010 at 01:52 PM (#3490989)
I'd agree with that, but would also say that I doubt Barca would have considered any of the other four possibilities (CSKA, Bordeaux, Lyon or Bayern) to have been a tougher draw than Arsenal. Barca, Man Utd and to a lesser extent Inter were the teams that everyone wanted to avoid in this round.
   916. Mefisto Posted: April 02, 2010 at 01:59 PM (#3490998)
Probably hindsight speaking... but wouldn't you feel Arsenal was one of the better possible draws for Barcelona? They are a similar but worse team, after all.


Ditto here. While I hate Inter's game, they would pose a big challenge for Barca.
   917. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 03, 2010 at 01:42 PM (#3491617)
Well, that shakes up the title race considerably. I saw this match as a draw, Chelsea getting the two points has to make them the favorites, you'd think.
   918. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 03, 2010 at 02:04 PM (#3491627)
Indeed. Pity it had to come down to an offside goal. I thought it was a very entertaining game, lacking in big chances somewhat, but it had very nice tempo and flow, which was nice to watch...
   919. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 03, 2010 at 03:53 PM (#3491668)
Spurs really don't want to play in the champions league next year, do they?
   920. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 03, 2010 at 04:12 PM (#3491674)
And thank you to Stoke, keeping West Ham above the drop at least another week!
   921. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 03, 2010 at 06:03 PM (#3491719)
Holy cow! City have scored 6 in under 60 mins!
   922. Swedish Chef Posted: April 04, 2010 at 05:07 PM (#3492057)
Time to write off Liverpool, they're ######.
   923. Juan V Posted: April 05, 2010 at 12:22 AM (#3492276)
Not-so-bold prediction: Whoever is top of La Liga seven days from now will win it.
   924. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 05, 2010 at 04:28 PM (#3493071)
So, now that the pesky baseball thing is over, lets talk some more football!

Anybody see the incident, where HSV's Guerrero threw a bottle at a fan in the stands? HSV have apparently fined him 50k-100k, no suspension. Now, IIRC when Cantona assaulted a fan, the FA and FIFA combined to ban him for 8 months, he got sentenced to community service, and fined as well. I'm not saying these two incidents are analogous, and deserve the same punishment. But how the hell, is this being allowed to be handeled by the club only? Shouldn't the DFB, UEFA or FIFA have something to say about this? Smells of hypocricy...
   925. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: April 05, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3493138)
I didn't see the incident with Guerrero but a 100K fine is pretty substantial and what Cantona did was measurably worse. I think there should be a suspension of some sort but not anywhere near what Cantona got.
   926. ursus arctos Posted: April 05, 2010 at 05:48 PM (#3493236)
Here's a good clip.

And here's Cantona.

The fine (100,000 euro) was the largest in HSV's history, and German reports say that both the DFB and the league are considering taking additional action against the player. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up being suspended at least through the end of the season. There isn't any criminal prosecution here because the fan (unlike Matthew Simmons) did not press charges.
   927. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 05, 2010 at 06:18 PM (#3493326)
and German reports say that both the DFB and the league are considering taking additional action against the player

That was my main complaint, the german report I saw did not mention this. It shouldn't be left up to the club, who have a vested intrest in not seeing the player baned.

IIRC correctly, Simmons had been shouting some preyy vile things at cantona. Not that that is much of an excuse. The chatter at the moment seems to be that the insult towards Geurrero seems to have been along the lines of "why don't you go back to Peru". Now that isn't not a particularly nice thing to say, but I have a hard time believing that most players don't hear much worse on a regular basis.

EDIT: nice aim though
EDIT2: On a baseball tangent: Goalie Ros said "the Yankees would probably like to sign him"
   928. sardonic Posted: April 05, 2010 at 06:20 PM (#3493338)
I think ManU lost the game on their right wing, where Valencia was consistently owned by Zhirkov. It was painful watching them try to work down that side by pumping long passes to Valencia only to see him give it up to Zhirkov time and again.

Fletcher also didn't seem to close down as much as he usually does -- Chelsea had tons of space in the middle of the park.

The second goal was definitely offsides, but overall I think Chelsea deserved the result they got. Berbatov worked his butt off but for long stretches United just seemed to lack the attack edge they have with Rooney.

I think at this point Chelsea are the champions.
   929. ursus arctos Posted: April 05, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3493361)
FPH, you are right about Simmons, he was actually convicted of having used threatening language and behaviour towards Cantona, but only served one night in jail (or gaol, to be more precise).

Guererro had already been looking for reasons to leave HSV, and had even claimed to have developed a Denis Bergkamp-like fear of flying over the winter break. I would be shocked if he ever plays for them again.
   930. ursus arctos Posted: April 05, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3493379)
Congrats to BFFB (and any other BTF Magpies) on the Toon's return to the Premier League following Forest's draw at home to Cardiff City.
   931. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 06, 2010 at 02:23 AM (#3494187)
As others have said, I don't think the Cantona comparison is valid. A better comparison would be Didier Drogba, who received a 3-match ban for throwing a coin into the crowd in the 2008-9 season. That level of suspension seems appropriate here, although I have no idea how the German authorities will handle it.

Incidentally, do you really need the consent of the victim to press charges in Germany? In England you certainly don't.
   932. Mattbert Posted: April 06, 2010 at 10:00 AM (#3494379)
Thank heavens I had Opening Day to distract me from Spurs wetting the bed at Sunderland on Saturday. Ugh.
   933. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 06, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3494686)
Has everyone seen the Chris Kamara bit, by the way? Pure comedy gold.
   934. ursus arctos Posted: April 06, 2010 at 06:57 PM (#3494833)
Alou Goodbye, I'm not sure that you technically need consent to press charges in Germany (I thankfully avoided contact with the criminal justice system while living there), but I can see the authorities concluding that it isn't worth their time if the victim isn't going to cooperate with the prosecution.

Inter win 1-0 in Moscow and are the first team through to the semi finals of the Champions League.
   935. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: April 06, 2010 at 07:27 PM (#3494869)
Lionel Messi is just stupid good.
   936. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 06, 2010 at 07:29 PM (#3494873)
Yes, yes he is.
   937. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: April 06, 2010 at 07:33 PM (#3494880)
Jesus, the gamecast on this game is insane.
   938. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 06, 2010 at 07:40 PM (#3494886)
Oh, the actual game is quite insane too.

It was a shame about the offside given against Bendtner at 1-1 when he was clean through on goal. Only saw one not very good replay, but he didn't look offside from that. At 2-1 Arsenal, maybe we actually get a game...
   939. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:14 PM (#3494943)
The reffing has been pretty poor, Barca are diving all over the place and getting the call most of the time.
   940. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3494960)
Incidentally, do you really need the consent of the victim to press charges in Germany? In England you certainly don't.
I'm not German law expert obviously, but I imagine that, like almost everywhere, if the victim isn't interested in talking to the police, giving a statement, testifying in court, etc. and it isn't a major crime, the prosecution will cease.

Messi is in another world.
   941. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:29 PM (#3494969)
Messi just did not care about the number of defenders around him on that one.
   942. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3494976)
The reffing has been pretty poor, Barca are diving all over the place and getting the call most of the time.

It really has been quite poor. I still think they just need to introduce a gamesmanship council. Wanna dive - you miss the next game or two. Rolling around on the pitch for 2 mins holding your ankle, then jump up and run off like nothing happened - have fun watching the next game.
You can't fault players for gaming the ref, when they know they'll get away with it. The solution is to stop them from getting away with it.


Messi adds insult to injury.
   943. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3494977)
But these are public order offenses, RB, committed in front of many witnesses. If you and I get drunk and fight each other in public, it doesn't matter if we don't want to press charges against each other - they'll deal with us because you can't have people fighting in the streets. I'm not saying the guy should be sent to jail, but he certainly ought to be cautioned, or whatever the equivalent of that is in Germany. The police have a duty to the public in general to maintain public order. I believe Drogba was cautioned, fwiw.

Back to the football - Barcelona vs Inter in the semis, right? I don't much like Inter or Mourinho, but there's nothing I'd like more than to see them knock out those idiots.
   944. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:36 PM (#3494984)
Back to the football - Barcelona vs Inter in the semis, right? I don't much like Inter or Mourinho, but there's nothing I'd like more than to see them knock out those idiots.

I'm definitely not a fan of all the diving Barca does, but I am very much a fan of watching Messi play, so I'd still prefer for them to win.
   945. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 06, 2010 at 08:41 PM (#3494989)
As a neutral, I'm holding out for a Barca - Man U rematch in the finals, Really don't want Inter with their detestable brand of oonist football obstructionist there. And I LOVE Mourinho...
   946. Juan V Posted: April 07, 2010 at 02:16 AM (#3495470)
Real Madrid fan, Mourinho admirer, and hater of the sanctimonious "right way to play" mentality. Any questions about who I'm rooting for in the semis?

And yeah, that Messi fellow can be a decent player.
   947. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 07, 2010 at 02:51 AM (#3495538)
And yeah, that Messi fellow can be a decent player.
I love the shot through Almunia's legs. I'll grant its tough to defend against a rebound shot like that, but even so.
   948. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3496123)
Holy crap, Rooney starting.

If he picks up an injury here that keeps him out of the WC there is going to be a sh!t storm of apocalyptic proportions...
   949. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 06:50 PM (#3496124)
Nice start for United. Poor goalkeeping, but a decent shot...
   950. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3496129)
One of these days, teams will stop sitting off Gibson when he has the ball around 20 yards out. Can't give that kid space just outside the box like that; close down and make him try to beat you off the dribble.

And now more poor defending from Bayern lets Nani stick another one in.
   951. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 07, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3496130)
I'm stunned Rooney is in the line-up. I'm also 100% confident this is going to cuase him to miss the World Cup and the response from the English will be tremendous.
   952. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:28 PM (#3496166)
Oh man, I've missed 2 goals now going to the fridge -.-
   953. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3496167)
That was a good goal from Olic, too.
   954. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3496169)
Poor defending all around!
   955. Swedish Chef Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3496171)
Bayern isn't making a strong argument for the Bundesliga.
   956. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:49 PM (#3496192)
BTW, am I the only person that thinks UEFA seriously need to update their CL hymn? They've had it since at least 95, and it sucked then and it stll sucks... time for a change!
   957. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3496204)
This ref has had some very curious decisions tonight.
   958. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2010 at 07:58 PM (#3496205)
Blame Handel.
   959. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3496213)
Did you guys get a replay on that one where Schweinsteiger went over under Ferdinand's challenge right around the box? ITV, being total English homers, have not given me a second look.
   960. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:03 PM (#3496215)
For the tune to the CL hymn (it's from Zadok the Priest), not the ref, of course.
   961. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3496218)
Moi? C'est que je fais?
   962. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3496219)
Badstuber was lucky not to see a straight red for that challenge on Valencia a few minutes ago. Really poor tackle.
   963. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:07 PM (#3496223)
He, I thought you'd typoed me there...
   964. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:11 PM (#3496227)
@960: Fox didn't show a replay either, but I'm pretty sure their just poggybacking the UK feed. It should have either been a FK + card, or a card for diving IMHO though..
   965. Mattbert Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3496234)
Stunning goal. That is fabulous.
   966. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3496242)
Boy, quite a lot of excitement. United are going to need to push hard for that 4th goal.
   967. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:25 PM (#3496247)
FWIW, The Guardian's minute by minute said Rio's tackle was a definite yellow.

Sneijder and Robben are shaping up nicely for the World Cup.
   968. Flynn Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:38 PM (#3496267)
No more English clubs in the Champions League. Thank God.
   969. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:39 PM (#3496270)
I would like to be the first to congratulate Barcelona on their defense of the Champions League.
   970. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2010 at 08:57 PM (#3496299)
That's way premature, FPH.

Inter definitely have a chance of frustrating Barcelona (not to mention the Ibrahimovic/Eto'o factor) and Bayern look to have "their name on the cup"; only a series of shocking refereeing blunders got them out of the quarters. Barca will certainly be favorites, but they aren't the Cards in the NL Central.
   971. sardonic Posted: April 08, 2010 at 12:38 AM (#3496658)
Is it just me, or do the late season "run ins" make bigtime European football some of the most exciting stuff around? Last week this time, Manchester United was in the driver's seat to claim the EPL title while at the same time very much alive in the Champions League. Fast forward and they are out of Europe and behind Chelsea. A couple years ago Chelsea was in alive in the FA Cup, the league and the Champions League and lost the latter two on the last days of the respective competitions, one in penalties. Talk about drama.

For the top clubs in Europe, it's like having a pennant race AND the playoffs at once. Brilliant.

Toss in the fact that in the middle of various league tables you have teams battling it out for European places, and at the bottom you have clubs battling to avoid relegation.
   972. Mattbert Posted: April 08, 2010 at 08:57 AM (#3497146)
Yeah, the relegation structure and cup/tournament competitions are set up nicely like that. Domestically, you tend to get relatively few "meaningless" fixtures at this time of the season because at least one of the teams involved will usually be trying to win the league, qualify for Europe, or stave off relegation.

And, of course, once you get to this stage of European and cup competitions, all the games are massive.
   973. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 08, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3497709)
That was almost the worst refereeing decision in history.

How can you be offside from a corner!

EDIT: And that's game over.
   974. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 08, 2010 at 11:40 PM (#3497928)
Excellent game by all involved for Liverpool today. They were fantastic tactically and the players executed.

Quick question -- does the Europa League winner get a bid into the subsequent year's Champions League? That's what the announcer made it sound like, but that seemed wrong. A quick Google search revealed both a yes and no answer.
   975. sardonic Posted: April 09, 2010 at 02:30 AM (#3498079)
I'm pretty sure they just play the "Super Cup" against last year's Champions League winner. Last year Zenit St. Petersberg defeated Manchester United.
   976. ursus arctos Posted: April 09, 2010 at 03:28 AM (#3498096)
There's no automatic entry to the CL for the Europa League winner. It has periodically been mooted, but never implemented.


You get to defend your trophy (if you haven't otherwise qualified for the CL) and play in the SuperCup in Monaco.
   977. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 09, 2010 at 10:51 AM (#3498176)
You con't even automatically get into the CL if you win the CL. They had to fudge, and manually award Liverpool a CL quali place, when they won and failed to qualify for next years competition.*

*AKA the first important UEFA decision to ever favour an english team


EDIT: I'm fairly certain though that you did get to defend your title, when it was the old European Cup, with one country one team, although I was about 10 when they changed the structure, and too lazy to look it up...
   978. Flynn Posted: April 09, 2010 at 11:53 AM (#3498192)
You con't even automatically get into the CL if you win the CL. They had to fudge, and manually award Liverpool a CL quali place, when they won and failed to qualify for next years competition.*

*AKA the first important UEFA decision to ever favour an english team


UEFA changed that rule and you now get to defend your trophy. You used to be able to defend your trophy in the European Cup, so it's a little weird they ever changed the rule in the first place.
   979. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 09, 2010 at 11:57 AM (#3498195)
EDIT: I'm fairly certain though that you did get to defend your title, when it was the old European Cup, with one country one team, although I was about 10 when they changed the structure, and too lazy to look it up...
That's correct - and it's the reason why Nottingham Forest have won the league only once, but the European Cup twice! I believe they're the only team to have won the European Cup/Champions League more often than their domestic league.

The mind truly boggles at Clough's greatness.
   980. ursus arctos Posted: April 09, 2010 at 08:51 PM (#3498725)
Right about Forest and right about Clough.

Having the holders not win their domestic league was the only way you ended up with two teams from the same country in the old European Cup. The year that Forest won their first (1979-80), they eliminated Liverpool (in the competition at holders) in the first round (there was no seeding). The next year, Liverpool went out to a very good Dynamo Tblissi team before they could meet Forest again.

Clough also lost a European Cup semi-final while at Derby County to Juventus under rather suspicious circumstances.
   981. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 10, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3499362)
All ya Hammers can breathe a little easier.

Gordon had a shocker. Was lucky to still be on the pitch at half time...
   982. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 10, 2010 at 06:03 PM (#3499444)
Ah, poor old Villa. They didn't deserve that final soreline, though Chelsea was better. But it makes you wonder how the game might have gone if Villa had gotten the penalty it looked like they should have, early on.

Also thought Terry was lucky to get off with a yellow card. Though the commentators seemed to recon he was being hard done by with the yellow. Studs up, foot about a foot off the ground, straight into the other guys leg - in my book that's a red.
   983. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 10, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3499467)
Before the game Terry said Villa tired easily and Chelsea would take them apart at the end. Exactly what happened.

Amazing what Neil Lennon said about his players today. They may have to make him manager permanently because I wonder if anyone else will want that job. And with Rangers and Hibs being basically broke, this is a really bad time for Scottish football. Walter Smith has basically said that the SPL is lower than the Championship as a league, which is really sad.
   984. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: April 10, 2010 at 06:46 PM (#3499487)
Clough also lost a European Cup semi-final while at Derby County to Juventus under rather suspicious circumstances.
Yeah, I know. Leeds United intentionally injured all his players! Of course, that was his fault for being too stubborn to rest them! And I know this because a book/movie wouldn't lie to me!*

*A book/movie would, in fact, lie to me

All ya Hammers can breathe a little easier.
Much, much easier. Given the goal difference, they're basically five points clear of the drop. That's not insurmountable, but it a hell of a lot with four/five games left.
   985. Mattbert Posted: April 10, 2010 at 06:50 PM (#3499493)
Howard Webb is having a pretty atrocious season. He seems to #### up an obvious penalty decision just about every other week lately.
   986. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 10, 2010 at 07:14 PM (#3499521)
Amazing what Neil Lennon said about his players today. They may have to make him manager permanently because I wonder if anyone else will want that job. And with Rangers and Hibs being basically broke, this is a really bad time for Scottish football. Walter Smith has basically said that the SPL is lower than the Championship as a league, which is really sad.

We're dropping down to one CL spot too, which is disgraceful.

The comparison between SPL and Championship is kinda problematic though. I think Celtic & Rangers are better than the top Championship teams* - they'd probably slot in somewhere mid-table in the EPL - but the Championship is much deeper than the SPL.

*although you wouldn't know it from the last year in Europe, but generally speaking before that, they've always been pretty respectable in Europe...
   987. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2010 at 12:21 AM (#3499724)
   988. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: April 11, 2010 at 01:37 AM (#3499759)
Heh, I predicted those links would be FM screenshots before clicking.

Re: the real life game...Xavi's passing is pretty insane.
   989. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:37 AM (#3499851)
Why would you play as Madrid in Football Manager? Their IRL modus operandi is taken straight from that game! Don't you want something of a challenge?
   990. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2010 at 09:15 AM (#3499855)
Three reasons:

1- Show Barcelona who's boss ;-)
2- Get myself acclimated to the tactics in this version.
3- See how my computer handles a large database with many leagues loaded, before starting a journeyman save (which is how I really enjoy the game).
   991. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:55 PM (#3499944)
Fair enough Juan, I was only teasing :)

Portsmouth are looking exhausted, but Spurs really haven't created many chances - just that Crouch shot at the end. It would be amazing if they could pull this off.
   992. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:35 PM (#3499989)
HOLY COW!
   993. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3499992)
Unreal, simply unreal that Pompey are going to the final. I would love to see them win for a number of reasons but especially because I think Chelsea was unfair to Grant. Basically they fired him because Terry slipped on a wet field so seeing him lift the trophy in front of them would be terrific.
   994. Mattbert Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3499997)
I hate myself and I want to die.
   995. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:45 PM (#3499999)
BTW, apparently the first time in Premiership history that a Sunday recorded three scoreless draws. Not that nayone cares.
   996. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3500010)
Big results in different directions for Wolves and Man United. United can't be dropping points at this stage and every point is big for Wolves who with Burnley's win over Hull yesterday suddenly look pretty good to stay up.
   997. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3500013)
I think United and Liverpool are both done now.
   998. Mattbert Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:01 PM (#3500017)
Spurs are done too. There's no way they recover from this defeat with Arsenal, Chelsea, and United within the next two weeks. And City has the superior goal difference after their thrashing of Brum.
   999. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:02 PM (#3500019)
1000
   1000. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:05 PM (#3500028)
GD right now is 2.

You do realize that to make up 4 points with one game in hand, you have to make up at least 2 goals in the process? Not that I disagree with your larger point, it's definately City's place to loose right now.
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