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Sunday, June 03, 2012

Heyman: Comedian Bill Maher now a part owner of New York Mets

Polite Musings from a Tim Byrdak Observer.

Television host and political comedian Bill Maher is a new limited partner with the Mets, CBSSports.com has learned. Maher’s Mets involvement wasn’t known until now, but baseball is something he said he’s very serious about.

“I’ve always been a a baseball fan but especially a fan of the New York Mets,” Maher said before Sunday’s game vs. the Cardinals. “I’ve lived in Los Angeles almost 30 years but I’ve never stopped rooting for the Mets. That’s one thing New Yorkers don’t do, switch allegiances. And I’ve never been a fan of the DH.”

Maher said he saw notice of the Mets selling limited partnerships sometime around December, and he quietly bought in. Those partnerships were advertised for $20 million to own a four-percent share, but Maher’s exact stake in the team hasn’t been confirmed.

...Maher said his family rooted for both the Mets and Yankees but that now when he wears his Mets hat around town (he was wearing one on the field Sunday), he hears about it, both good and bad. He also said he lost a little love for the Yankees during the George Steinbrenner era.

“I was so not a fan of George Steinbrenner that he turned me off to that franchise,” Maher said. “I don’t think he represented what New York should be.”

 

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   1. Elvis Posted: June 03, 2012 at 07:48 PM (#4147049)
We may not all agree with his politics but I think one thing we can unite on is that Bill Maher has got to be one of the ugliest people on TV. Hope the Mets don't use him in any commercials.
   2. JE (Jason) Posted: June 03, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4147051)
As of today, the Mets are a better investment than the Obama SuperPAC.
   3. JuanGone..except1game Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4147060)
As of today, the Mets are a better investment than the Obama SuperPAC.


RANDOM TERRIBLE POLITICAL QUIP!! IT'S GO-TIME!!!!!!!
   4. UCCF Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4147062)
I like how this was tagged "mets" in the Beta.

I guess under the new system, someone can just change that to the "persecuted Mainlanders" tag to get this thread where it will ultimately belong.
   5. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4147066)
In related news, former comedian Dennis Miller is currently in negotiations to become part-owner of the Long Island Ducks.
   6. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4147067)
YES! YES! YES!
   7. JJ1986 Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4147070)
No real fan roots for the Mets and Yankees.
   8. The_Ex Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4147072)
New Rule: If you are filthy rich it's OK to blow $20M on the Mets
   9. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4147084)
I guess under the new system, someone can just change that to the "persecuted Mainlanders" tag to get this thread where it will ultimately belong.


Bill Maher whispers behind my back.
   10. Darren Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4147091)
Maher doesn't strike me as $20 mil to blow rich.
   11. GregD Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4147109)
Maher doesn't strike me as $20 mil to blow rich.
That also surprised me. Maybe he's negotiated some really rich production deals or something?
   12. Morty Causa Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4147120)
Maher has been on TV making a lot of money for many many years. There's an interview somewhere with him wherein he mentions how astounded his accountant is by how prudent he is when it comes to spending his money. Too, he might have gotten a for a substantial part of that investment.

"I'm just a fan," Maher said. "I'm not going to get involved. I think my role is going to be bringing luck to the team— they didn't have a no-hitter for 50 years, I buy in and I come to town and there's a no hitter. Draw your own conclusions."

I think the Mets are lucky. That sort of cheering can be contagious.
   13. Darren Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4147130)
@Greg, I'm thinking it's more like he didn't throw in that much--a partial share or a discount or some such.
   14. Bad Fish Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4147166)
$500M valuation for the Mets? Sounds like a good deal to me.
   15. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4147189)
If we needed more evidence that Maher smoked a lot of pot.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4147227)
Maher doesn't strike me as $20 mil to blow rich.

He's had a regular show on TV since 1994, where he's also been the writer, executive producer, and assorted other things. I'd imagine he's probably built up a decent amount of cash over that time, so I guess it would be conceivable that he could have that sort of money lying around.

With that being said, yeah, it does seem like a lot of money for someone of his relative fame to be blowing on a single thing. You're probably right about him only having a partial share in one of those limited partnerships.
   17. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:00 AM (#4147331)
If I had to guess, I'd venture he's got upwards of nine figures. He's constantly touring, he's a frequent guest on television and radio, he's done movies (which he also writes and produces and surely gets paid for both), he's written some books, and he's been a major figure for HBO for nearly 20 years, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's gets a piece of that pie.

Even though he's been around for so long, I've always viewed him as a lesser Jon Stewart, or a late-age Carlin wannabe. He's only funny if you're liberal and seriously pissed off.
   18. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:48 AM (#4147357)
The weird thing is that Maher's early shtick was that of a sexist cave man and yet now he's somehow one of the big liberal mouthpieces. I guess like O'Reilly your mouth goes whichever way pays the most.
   19. bookbook Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:25 AM (#4147369)
Bill Maher was doing his thing since before Jon Stewart. I think he's only been on HBO since 2003or so. (He was fired from ABC for saying true but politically incorrect things after 9/11)

His early shtick was that of a sexist caveman libertarian liberal. His left of center politics (anti death penalty, pro "social justice" in the broadest sense) really haven't changed so much. He more-or-less created Ann Coulter because he needed a rightwing guest to counter him on his show.
   20. JoeHova Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:38 AM (#4147374)
He's only funny if you're liberal and seriously pissed off.

Or, not even then.
   21. The NeverEnding Torii (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:50 AM (#4147388)
The weird thing is that Maher's early shtick was that of a sexist cave man and yet now he's somehow one of the big liberal mouthpieces. I guess like O'Reilly your mouth goes whichever way pays the most.


That is nonsense. Stand-up stage personas evolve over time. Is Louis C.K. a sell-out for doing more personal storytelling stuff, instead of the absurd, surrealist comedy he used to do? Maher was doing political stuff on Comedy Central in the early '90s, years before FOX News and the Jon Stewart version of The Daily Show were part of the pop culture zeitgeist. He didn't gravitate to politics to make money. if anything, the money and opportunities gravitated to him because he was known in comedy/TV circles as a comedian who was extremely interested in politics.
   22. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:03 AM (#4147396)
Wow, I didn't realize we had ardent Maher defenders here. I apologize for even hinting that Maher's beliefs might have anything to do with how much he gets paid. He, like all talking heads, absolutely believes in everything he says.
   23. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:38 AM (#4147415)
Is Louis C.K. a sell-out for doing more personal storytelling stuff, instead of the absurd, surrealist comedy he used to do?

The more successful a comic is, the more their act is about hotels and airplanes and appearing on TV. Write what you know.
   24. Flynn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 06:49 AM (#4147419)
Maher's still pretty sexist, isn't he? He seems to run his mouth into trouble every couple of years or so regarding women.
   25. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 06:59 AM (#4147421)
You can't be honest if you're not "sexist" (whatever that means) to some extent.
   26. Lassus Posted: June 04, 2012 at 07:05 AM (#4147422)
More important than Maher, how many of you had the Mets in first place in June, hmmmm?
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: June 04, 2012 at 07:16 AM (#4147425)

Well, Mets are tied for 2nd, 3 pct pts back. But they're close!
   28. Lassus Posted: June 04, 2012 at 07:20 AM (#4147426)
Virtual first, no games back. I'm counting it, baseball gods be damned.
   29. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4147458)
Virtual first, no games back. I'm counting it, baseball gods be damned.

I have no problem with the best point of the season coming in June. Everything from here on out is gravy. Though the team should get a boost from Tejada and Bay coming back eventually, and Young making a few starts before his should implodes.

The fans booing Beltran this weekend was weak-- the Mets traded him, he didn't leave on his own. And if Bay's contract wasn't on the books, they could have extended him if they wanted to.

The Pagan trade's not looking good right now.

Does Ike get sent down when Bay comes back? I was all for having patience, but the team has to at least try to win, and Ike's costing them a lot of runs right now.
   30. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 09:34 AM (#4147474)
Looks like both Bay and Tejada are scheduled to be back on Friday. This team hasn't had its projected starting 8 on the field together all season. And they're still in (virtual) first place! Just think how many games they'd be up if Pelfrey hadn't gotten hurt...
   31. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: June 04, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4147479)
Speaking of Met fan comedians, on the subway back from Friday's game I rode next to Jon Stewart, who was more or less the happiest Mets fan you ever saw.
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4147491)
He's had a regular show on TV since 1994, where he's also been the writer, executive producer, and assorted other things. I'd imagine he's probably built up a decent amount of cash over that time, so I guess it would be conceivable that he could have that sort of money lying around.


Yea, but when your hobbies are hookers and blow, you typically burn through that money pretty quickly.

Wow, Bill would have been the perfect Mets owner for 1986.
   33. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: June 04, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4147508)
Maher has no kids. Hookers and blow (with his steep celebrity discount) are cheaper than a house in the suburbs and multiple college tuitions.
   34. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4147521)
Speaking of Met fan comedians, on the subway back from Friday's game I rode next to Jon Stewart, who was more or less the happiest Mets fan you ever saw.

Awesome. Stewart has been ruthless in going at the Mets the past couple of years. Glad he/you were at the game.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: June 04, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4147529)
Well, Mets are tied for 2nd, 3 pct pts back. But they're close!


Virtual first, no games back. I'm counting it, baseball gods be damned.

GB is the only column that matters. The Mets are in first.

   36. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4147555)
Yea, but when your hobbies are hookers and blow, you typically burn through that money pretty quickly.

Only if you're doing it wrong.

Looks like Bay will be back tomorrow. Especially after yesterday, I can't see them sending Nieuwenhuis to the bench.
   37. Grumbledook Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4147616)
He probably got rich from all those royalty checks for Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.

   38. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4147679)
I loved that movie when I was a kid but when I tried to watch it last year I couldn't get 10 minutes into before deleting it.
   39. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4147716)
His early shtick was that of a sexist caveman libertarian liberal. His left of center politics (anti death penalty, pro "social justice" in the broadest sense) really haven't changed so much. He more-or-less created Ann Coulter because he needed a rightwing guest to counter him on his show.
Arianna Huffington, too, though she later decided she was a liberal. His politics haven't changed so much, but his label of them has. He used to pretend to be 'libertarian,' even though he was really just a liberal who liked to say un-p.c. things, like pretty much any other stand-up.


That is nonsense. Stand-up stage personas evolve over time
If it's just a "persona," fine. But Maher certainly makes it seem as if those are his views, not just an act.
   40. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4147737)
He probably got rich from all those royalty checks for Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.

Add those DC Cab checks and you are golden.
   41. Ron J Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4147753)
David, no idea if you ever watched him on Larry King, but I found those appearances to be pretty good and I generally didn't like King or Maher's standup. Didn't come across as easy to categorize. Did come across as generally well informed, contemptuous of party politics in general (Republicans in particular to be sure.).

That said, he did endorse Bob Dole back in 1996.

And #19. he's rather notorious for his support of the death penalty. (And euthanasia and abortion -- he's been called "pro-death") He's also more or less on the same page as Libertarians when it comes to Social Security. Pretty much every other issue that Libertarians have something approaching a consensus on, he's on the other side of the issue.
   42. Greg K Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4147754)
If it's just a "persona," fine. But Maher certainly makes it seem as if those are his views, not just an act.

I don't really know much about Bill Maher but people's views genuinely change over time as well. Us being humans it's not always a clean or even self-acknowledged change either
   43. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4147755)
Add those DC Cab checks and you are golden.


I was 7 when DC Cab came out and when I first saw it...in a theater. My parents loaded up us kids in the Catalina and we drove to a suburban theater clear across the other side of Milwaukee because that was the only theater showing whatever PG movie we were supposed to be seeing (matinee), I think it was Never Cry Wolf. Of course, it was sold out when we get there, and my Dad furious as all hell, decides that we drove all this way, we're going to see something. So my Mother is just objecting to this, and ultimately walks over to the Jo-Ann Fabrics next door, while Dad, and three boys, ages 5, 7 and 11 go in and watch DC Cab on the big screen. I think the Mr. T appearance pulled us in, I mean how innappropriate could it be for kids under 12?
   44. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4147759)
Bill Maher is just okay, but blasting him for "changing his act for money" in a world with George Carlin, Chris Rock, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard Pryor, Louis CK, and other inconsistent "sellouts" is dopey.
   45. zonk Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4147763)
Arianna Huffington, too, though she later decided she was a liberal. His politics haven't changed so much, but his label of them has. He used to pretend to be 'libertarian,' even though he was really just a liberal who liked to say un-p.c. things, like pretty much any other stand-up.


Arianna Huffington decided she was liberal?

I thought Arianna Huffington just decided she wanted to make more money and the left-side of the carnival offered a more lucrative and faster path to it...
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4147773)
He's only funny if you're liberal and seriously pissed off.

Or, not even then.


I was thinking the same thing. I loved Politically Incorrect, great tv show, most of the time better than even the best that the Daily Show has to offer. But since then, he's taking himself to seriously, while at the same time continuing to be ridiculous. The movie Religilousity had such great potential, then it failed by imitating the worse of Rush Limbaugh/Michael Moore schtick by transparently making crap up and pretending it's backed by evidence. It ended up being basically a series of weak skits akin to the Daily Show skits. I mean you were making fun of religions, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, heck it's like shooting fish in a stack of fish, and yet he somehow managed to fail at it.

   47. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4147774)
Maher's pretty funny here--and he comes across as fairly authentic, as he did with his Obama donation and this latest thing:

Mitt and Liberty U

mitt's onesies
   48. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4147778)
Pretty much every other issue that Libertarians have something approaching a consensus on, he's on the other side of the issue.

You do know Maher can't open his mouth with mentioning legalizing drugs, right?
   49. Ron J Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4147795)
#48 Right. My mistake.
   50. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4147809)
Maher also defended Rush on grounds that comport with most all Libertarian views and sentiments. Maher also didn't get caught up in the unthinking jingoistic furor that followed 9/11 (saying that the hijackers were pretty much the definitional opposite of cowards, which is what they were being called). It was for that he lost his gig with ABC.
   51. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4147814)
It ended up being basically a series of weak skits akin to the Daily Show skits. I mean you were making fun of religions, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, heck it's like shooting fish in a stack of fish, and yet he somehow managed to fail at it.

I like Maher at times, and am definitely on his side 100% WRT religion. I didn't watch Religulous until recently, and it was pretty terrible. The only redeeming parts IMO were the autobiographical ones, where he talks about how he came to atheism. Beyond that, even though I agreed in principle with his points, the execution was awful. I think I knew it would be, which is why I avoided watching it for a few years after its release. Making a coherent argument has never been his strong suit.

He does have some really interesting guests on his show, and being on HBO, this usually produces some fun moments. He's not good interviewer, though, so the one-on-ones tend to be disappointing.
   52. Johnny Slick Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4147835)
My biggest 2 issues with Real Time are that:

1. The jokes at the end of the show nearly always come at the expense of something that was just turning into a good debate. And the jokes almost always suck, so it doesn't help.

2. He always has to have some conservative or other on the show for "balance" and most of the time that conservative is just not very good at this, not funny, not well informed, not much of anything. The libs on the other hand can have wildly different levels of debating ability but there is usually at least one of them who knows what they are talking about. This supposed "balance" really only ends up making whichever conservative that's on look like a blowhard (because they usually are) and the conservative viewpoint a weakened version of what it actually is as well.

That being said, Real Time is one of the 2 or 3 things I miss from my MASSIVE cable package that I dropped down to basic a couple months ago. From HBO, all I ever watched were Maher and boxing.
   53. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4147839)
Maher also didn't get caught up in the unthinking jingoistic furor that followed 9/11 (saying that the hijackers were pretty much the definitional opposite of cowards, which is what they were being called). It was for that he lost his gig with ABC.
What was always curious to me was that Maher got torched for this, but the guy who said it initially, Dinesh D'Souza, didn't seem to take any flak at all. I always found that strange, especially since D'Souza's subsequent book went 10 miles further beyond the pale in terms of outrageous statements. I guess nobody reads anymore.

I used to catch Maher from time to time when he was on ABC. I don't get HBO (when I had it, the only time I tuned it was for Real Sports, so...) so I can't speak to his work now, but from the clips I've seen, he sounds pretty much like the same guy.
   54. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4147840)
Maher also defended Rush on grounds that comport with most all Libertarian views and sentiments. Maher also didn't get caught up in the unthinking jingoistic furor that followed 9/11 (saying that the hijackers were pretty much the definitional opposite of cowards, which is what they were being called). It was for that he lost his gig with ABC.
It probably had more to do with the fact that he said that Americans were the cowards than that he said that the hijackers weren't. (He also confused being willing to die with bravery.)
   55. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 04, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4147842)
Making a coherent argument has never been his strong suit.

Especially when it comes to medical issues. He has no expertise regarding health, yet espouses incorrectly on it all the time. He makes such a big issue about his rationality, yet he is completely irrational on that.

Besides, he is just not that funny. I can forgive a lot of sins and disagreements on issues if he is funny.
   56. tshipman Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4147853)
Isn't Maher an Anti-vaccination nut?


1. The jokes at the end of the show nearly always come at the expense of something that was just turning into a good debate. And the jokes almost always suck, so it doesn't help.


Yeah, the ending jokes are like Catskills material. I'm not a Maher fan. Besides the hostility towards women, he always seems very smug.
   57. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4147859)
Besides, he is just not that funny. I can forgive a lot of sins and disagreements on issues if he is funny.
This. This is why Stewart and Colbert are so awesome: they ARE funny while being sharp and biting and topical and political.

I wonder if this is true for everyone else, but I'm still burned out from the 2008 election.
   58. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4147860)
What was always curious to me was that Maher got torched for this, but the guy who said it initially, Dinesh D'Souza, didn't seem to take any flak at all. I always found that strange, especially since D'Souza's subsequent book went 10 miles further beyond the pale in terms of outrageous statements. I guess nobody reads anymore.
Tribalism. D'Souza is on the right. Maher isn't.

(Also, (a) Maher was more famous, meaning a bigger target, and (b) Maher was on TV, giving the outrage brigade a place to aim -- advertisers. A lot easier to organize a boycott of a show/advertisers than to boycott an author.
   59. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4147870)
I suppose. It just struck me as horrific that the guy whose books I read and admired (if not totally agreed with) in college would become such a terrifying caricature of himself in later years. Fortunately, I'm too burned out to care too much, or else I'd be really, really sad about this.
   60. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4147871)


54

It probably had more to do with the fact that he said that Americans were the cowards than that he said that the hijackers weren't. (He also confused being willing to die with bravery.)


Yes, you are right. His comments were more nuanced than my statement represents (although I think he still had a good point), and that, trying to parse things in a situation filled with emotional upheaval, on TV can be suicidal of course.
   61. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4147873)
trying to parse things in a situation filled with emotional upheaval, on TV can be suicidal
...and thus courageous!
   62. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4147879)
Oh, well done.
   63. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4147880)
I don't know. I just can't get into Stewart and Colbert most of the time, as comedians, I mean (they have cogently made some political points sometime). They are too obvious, too arch. There's no sitting duck they won't shoot. But Stewart especially can make a good word/film case for the prosecution.
   64. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4147882)
I'm surprised MLB would approve a (partial) owner who refers to women as dumb twats and #####.
   65. Morty Causa Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4147883)
61 and 62:

Yes, that was a neat rhetorical trick of bringing it back on the original point.
   66. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4147898)
He always has to have some conservative or other on the show for "balance" and most of the time that conservative is just not very good at this, not funny, not well informed, not much of anything. The libs on the other hand can have wildly different levels of debating ability but there is usually at least one of them who knows what they are talking about.

This is true sometimes, but just as often Maher will get trounced by a conservative on an issue he brought up. And he's not getting trounced because he's wrong, he's getting trounced because he sucks as a debater, and some of his guests, conservatives and liberals, are actually experts in the subjects they're talking about, or put more than 30 seconds into prepping for the show.
   67. Ron J Posted: June 04, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4147940)
#64 Admittedly I haven't listed to his act closely in quite some time, but to the best of my knowledge he's used those kinds of words to express his contempt for specific public figures. Bachman and Palin come to mind. And he's equally insulting to male politicians. Just slightly different word choices.
   68. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4147944)
GB is the only column that matters. The Mets are in first.


Were.
   69. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4147952)
This supposed "balance" really only ends up making whichever conservative that's on look like a blowhard (because they usually are) and the conservative viewpoint a weakened version of what it actually is as well.


Is this a function of Maher picking bad "conservatives" or conservatives having a shallow pool of options, most of whom come off as unfunny blowhards? Like most here, I find Stewart's humor to be far more entertaining, I've never been into the hyper-parody medium of Colbert, and Maher has never struck me as particularly *funny.* He will maybe throw out a political point worth making on out of every 20 tries, though that's probably overestimating his hit rate.

But the problem with "conservative" panelist options isn't that they're being selected poorly by Maher or the producers, but that the conservative commentariat have spent the last 30 years self-selecting for blowhards and humorless buffoons.
   70. Lassus Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4147968)
Were.

Get back to me when the Braves were.

Pretty epic game, though.
   71. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4147985)
Pretty epic game, though.

Yeah. Gee's looking good. But the Mets can't count on CG shutouts from Johan and Dickey every game. With the caveat that we may be laughing at this question in a month, at what point do they have to think about making some upgrades to the bullpen via trade? Maybe they can call the Brewers and see if K-Rod's available?

Keith made the point today that sending Ike down might upset the defense, Wright in particular. But damn, it's really hard to score runs with both him and Nickeas in the lineup.
   72. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4147988)
Ya know what is annoying? The lack of quality fried chicken places in this town. There are a number of outstanding Thai Chinese Greek and middle eastern places but squat for Southern food. Even Amish style. It surprises me.
   73. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4147991)
I do enjoy the big pork tenderloin sandwiches though. And the Duane Purvis burger. I get bacon on mine though.
   74. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4147993)
There is very good Mexican food here though. Which is not surprising given all the Mexicans in the area. They all seem to root for Chivas too.
   75. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4147999)
Chivas America?
   76. Joe Kehoskie Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4148014)
Maher has never struck me as particularly *funny.* He will maybe throw out a political point worth making on out of every 20 tries, ...

Well, 1-for-20 isn't great, but it would be an improvement for, ahem, some people around here.
   77. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 04, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4148025)
I'm surprised MLB would approve a (partial) owner who refers to women as dumb twats and #####.

Admittedly I haven't listed to his act closely in quite some time, but to the best of my knowledge he's used those kinds of words to express his contempt for specific public figures. Bachman and Palin come to mind. And he's equally insulting to male politicians. Just slightly different word choices.

Is it OK to use racial epithets toward those you disagree with? I suppose if that isn't a problem, crude misogynist insults wouldn't be a problem, either. However, I didn't think that was the standard.
   78. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4148039)
Is it OK to use racial epithets toward those you disagree with? I suppose if that isn't a problem, crude misogynist insults wouldn't be a problem, either. However, I didn't think that was the standard.


Comedians have always been given larger berths with language and offense than run-of-the-mill folk. The jester can say things the king needs to hear, not what he will listen to.
   79. Johnny Slick Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4148047)
He was pretty... realistic with Christine O'Donnell as well (hard to call his treatment of her "harsh" when mostly all he did was play clips of her acting like a buffoon on Politically Incorrect). Otherwise, points taken on the debaters, and yeah, one thing that absolutely drives me crazy about that show (completely forgot about this before) is the way Maher will so, so often let one of the panelists (usually the conservative) off the hook when they've just made or are about to make a dumb statement in the interest of getting all the topics in or what have you.

The one other thing that irks me is that he'll get on some pretty interesting guests and then just kind of let them sit there or else use them in ways that don't really showcase their abilities. Like a year or two ago, for instance, Maher had Carl Sagan's wife on the show. I get that the Sagans were into legalizing pot and all that, but Jesus... you have the wife of perhaps the greatest man in terms of getting the laity to understand science in the 20th century at least and possibly ever, and you're going to spend that entire time talking to her about Mary Jane? Really?

And, of course, the health thing. I'm not sure whether or not Maher is an anti-vaxxer (I think he's not because I think he's ripped on Jenny McCarthy in the past) but he does disbelieve the germ theory of medicine, which makes him a retard. I have a really, really hard time with some skeptic groups portraying him as one of them with that particular viewpoint. I guess if you're sufficiently anti-religious everything else is okay...
   80. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4148049)
I was actually surprised that Stewart or Seinfeld didn't get in on this.
   81. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4148054)
Comedians have always been given larger berths with language and offense than run-of-the-mill folk.

Didn't seem to work for Michael Richards.
   82. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4148057)
Comedians have always been given larger berths with language and offense than run-of-the-mill folk.

Didn't seem to work for Michael Richards.
There is only one absolute.
   83. PerroX Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4148058)
What't the alternative to germ theory?
   84. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4148061)
Didn't seem to work for Michael Richards.


Anyone watching that video would know better than to mistake his unhinged outburst at the heckler as part of any sort of comedy routine. You can't do comedy when you're rage-blind and incapable of considering the pivot beneath the joke.
   85. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4148065)
I was actually surprised that Stewart or Seinfeld didn't get in on this.


Surely, somewhere there is a group of obscenely wealthy men and/or women who want to take the Braves off of Liberty's hands, right?
   86. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4148066)
What't the alternative to germ theory?


Imbalanced humors? Leeching? Magnetic bracelets?
   87. formerly dp Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4148067)
I was actually surprised that Stewart or Seinfeld didn't get in on this.

I'm guessing Stewart doesn't have the money Maher does.
   88. Jim Furtado Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4148080)
I apologize for my behavior in this thread. Please continue with the topic at hand.
Your apology is accepted. I apologize for suspending your account for the next two weeks for doing the same thing that earned you a very short temporary suspension.
   89. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4148082)
Surely, somewhere there is a group of obscenely wealthy men and/or women who want to take the Braves off of Liberty's hands, right?
Jeff Foxworthy is on the case!
   90. DA Baracus Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4148084)
You might be a redneck if you're sitting in General Admission.
   91. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4148085)
I'm glad Maher got in. I want people with a sense of humor giving money to the Mets.
   92. Johnny Slick Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4148086)
What't the alternative to germ theory?


Believing in woo-woo BS? I think specifically Maher is one of those nuts who think that all or nearly all maladies are caused by poor diet or lack of exercise.
   93. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4148087)
You might be a redneck if you're sitting in General Admission Turner Field.
FTFY
   94. BWV 1129 Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4148088)
I can't believe Jim is making me refrain from insulting Bernal for two whole weeks.
   95. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4148089)
all or nearly all maladies are caused by poor diet or lack of exercise.
Holy ####! I must have all or nearly all maladies!
   96. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4148093)
Didn't seem to work for Michael Richards.


he wasn't funny
   97. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4148099)
I can't believe Jim is making me refrain from insulting Bernal for two whole weeks.


You saw that coming like a freight train.
   98. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4148102)
I think specifically Maher is one of those nuts who think that all or nearly all maladies are caused by poor diet or lack of exercise.

Which ones aren't?
   99. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4148106)
Which ones aren't?


The ones caused by genetic defects, bacteria, viruses or prions. So, most of them.
   100. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 04, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4148109)
I was actually surprised that Stewart or Seinfeld didn't get in on this.

I'm guessing Stewart doesn't have the money Maher does.
Really? I would be shocked at this. I mean, I'm shocked to begin with that Maher has $20M to spare, so perhaps my expectations are off-kilter. Plus, I think Stewart is usually funny and Maher hasn't been in many years, so that might bias me. But I do know that Stewart is a huge star, and is paid very well. For instance, from Wikipedia, though somewhat contradictory:
In April 2010, Comedy Central renewed Stewart's contract to host The Daily Show into 2013.[42] Stewart is paid a reported $1.5 million for one season of The Daily Show.[43] According to the Forbes list of Celebrities, he earns $14 million a year.[44]
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