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Friday, October 13, 2017

Heyman | Jeter’s Hiring And Firing Decisions Annoy Loria

Loria is a bad ex.

When former Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria handed over his seat to new owner Derek Jeter, he made some recommendations among the current staff, and for better or worse, Jeter has done mostly the opposite.

Loria, according to sources, suggested that Jeter keep high-ranking baseball people Mike Berger, Jeff McAvoy, Marc Delpiano and Jim Benedict, and that he let go longtime scouting director Stan Meek. Jeter has already fired the four Loria suggested he keep, and word is that Jeter is likely keeping Meek, who would have been let go by Loria.

It’s obviously all Jeter’s call, and he has no obligation to follow the advice of Loria (and some would say a fresh start is better, anyway). But, for what it’s worth, some people around the team believe that Loria is confounded by the moves.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 13, 2017 at 05:53 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: derek jeter, marlins

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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:11 AM (#5552965)
You sold the team, buddy. Take a hike.
   2. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 13, 2017 at 07:38 AM (#5552971)
The media really is going to keep on running and running with the claim that Jeter is making all the decisions, aren't they?
   3. villageidiom Posted: October 13, 2017 at 08:15 AM (#5552975)
Jeter’s Hiring And Firing Decisions Annoy Loria
Good.
In any case, word is that the four executives who were fired made salaries “like low-paid GMs,” meaning somewhere in the $500K to $800K range, and since the four have contracts that run through 2020, the Marlins are on the hook for something between $6.5M and $9M.
OK, so let me get this straight. In the excerpt at the top of this thread, Heyman describes five people.

Stan Meek: scouting director
Mike Berger: high-ranking baseball person
Jeff McAvoy: high-ranking baseball person
Marc Delpiano: high-ranking baseball person
Jim Benedict: high-ranking baseball person

The Marlins have let go the four people Heyman either couldn't describe their duties or wasn't inclined to. And they have kept the one guy he could/did say what he does.

I'm going to guess that Lord Haw-Haw just went to the Marlins' website and saw that their names were removed, thus preventing him from getting the easy answer. So here we go, from the wayback machine in September:

Stan Meek: VP, Scouting
Mike Berger: VP, Assistant GM
Jeff McAvoy: VP, Player Personnel
Marc Delpiano: VP, Player Development
Jim Benedict: VP, Pitching Development

And the more obvious answer on all this is that the hiring of Gary Denbo (the new VP of Player Development and Scouting) made all four of the guys let go superfluous.

Anyway... That's a lot of money being made by 4 people who ostensibly could be replaced by one.
   4. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 13, 2017 at 08:45 AM (#5552980)
So, Loria's interested in baseball all of a sudden, then?
   5. Lassus Posted: October 13, 2017 at 08:50 AM (#5552982)
The media really is going to keep on running and running with the claim that Jeter is making all the decisions, aren't they?

He's like Phil Hartman as Ronald Reagan, squared.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:00 AM (#5552985)
Anyway... That's a lot of money being made by 4 people who ostensibly could be replaced by one.

But if they're under contract through 2020, it's a lot of money you're paying anyway. Might as well have them do some work.
   7. The_Ex Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:10 AM (#5552988)
Loria thinks Jeter should have traded them.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5552989)
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
   9. BrianBrianson Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5552990)
And here I thought Jeter could never do anything to make me like him.
   10. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:24 AM (#5552992)
Anyway... That's a lot of money being made by 4 people who ostensibly could be replaced by one.


One of the fascinating (but not unexpected) findings to come out of the Marlins sale is that this threadbare, poormouth barrel-and-suspenders team had one of the highest-paid front offices in baseball. It's another reminder of the obvious failings of MLB's "revenue stealing" model that offers free no-string-attached money that always ends up earmarked for the enrichment of ownership and their cronies.
   11. Charles S. hopes his opening day is b4 opening day Posted: October 13, 2017 at 09:58 AM (#5553013)
Jeter: How can I get the die-hard Yankee-haters who never liked me to come around? I know, annoy Jeffrey Loria.

This could even get me to like Jeter.
   12. wjones Posted: October 13, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5553036)
When Satan whispers in your ear, resist.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5553058)
Marc Delpiano: high-ranking baseball person
Jim Benedict: high-ranking baseball person


To be fair, these are guys he hired away from the Pirates' front office, because he wanted to swipe aspects of their pitching development program. So Loria wan't overpaying them just for the hell of it.
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 10:57 AM (#5553062)
They also traded the Pirates a player in exchange for those guys. Well, OK, it was a paper transaction of Trevor Williams for a non-prospect, but in practice, it was for those two.
   15. villageidiom Posted: October 13, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5553087)
One of the fascinating (but not unexpected) findings to come out of the Marlins sale is that this threadbare, poormouth barrel-and-suspenders team had one of the highest-paid front offices in baseball.
The finding is that some people in the Marlins front office were highly paid. I've seen nothing about how their front office ranks relative to 29 other front offices. Since you say this is a finding, please cite.
   16. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5553100)
What can I say except "You're welcome"?

That investor said Marlins front office salaries are among the highest in baseball, including $4.7 million annually for president David Samson, who is not being retained by the new group but must be paid that salary in 2018.
   17. cmd600 Posted: October 13, 2017 at 01:24 PM (#5553189)
ostensibly


Being pretty much the only important word here. Player development and scouting are pretty much separate departments these days. Maybe Denbo is some kind of magician in both fields though.
   18. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 13, 2017 at 01:36 PM (#5553200)
Jeez, if there is one former owner who should GO ### HIMSELF, it is Loria.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5553214)
But if they're under contract through 2020, it's a lot of money you're paying anyway. Might as well have them do some work.

That would depend on their performance. Letting Gary Denbo staff the scouting & player development functions as he (and Jeter) see fit sounds like a better idea than saddling him with holdovers who don't appear to have distinguished themselves in Miami.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5553238)
They made a lot of money, is there a better way of distinguishing yourself to a welfare mooch?
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5553259)
holdovers who don't appear to have distinguished themselves in Miami


I'd take Benedict back on the Pirates in a hot second, FWIW.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: October 13, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5553264)
They made a lot of money, is there a better way of distinguishing yourself to a welfare mooch?
Don't call St. Jetes that!
   23. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 13, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5553274)
They made a lot of money, is there a better way of distinguishing yourself to a welfare mooch?


Don't call Hank & Hal that!
   24. Captain Supporter Posted: October 13, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5553280)
Of course, Jeffery Luria has no reason in the world to be annoyed that the Marlins are not following his wishes regarding the maintenance of executives. But I think you folks are making the mistake of believing that Heyman's story has more than a tenuous connection to the truth. The story simply doesn't ring true to me. No one sells a business and expects the new owners to do what he wants them to do.

I think what really going on here is Heyman is repeating a bogus or distorted story he heard from the unnamed sources he quotes. If they exist, they probably are people with a grudge against Luria. In any case I am always skeptical about any story based on unnamed sources.
   25. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5553391)
They made a lot of money, is there a better way of distinguishing yourself to a welfare mooch?

Don't call Hank & Hal that!


That's swell, Loria shoveled all his free money into his pockets and those of his front-office cronies while crying poor and you're reflexive response is to target the poor self-reliant folks stuck paying the bill.
   26. catomi01 Posted: October 13, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5553394)
No one sells a business and expects the new owners to do what he wants them to do.


Sure they do - they shouldn't, but they do. Any when your talking with Billion Dollar Businesses, your usually talking about owners and ex-owners who are not used to being told they're wrong or mistaken...so finding out someone disagrees with how to run what you built (and more importantly, finding out there is absolutely nothing you can do about it) can be a bit of a shock. George Lucas and Disney/Lucasfilm come immediately to mind there, but I wouldn't be surprised by other examples.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5553495)
I think what really going on here is Heyman is repeating a bogus or distorted story he heard from the unnamed sources he quotes. If they exist, they probably are people with a grudge against Luria. In any case I am always skeptical about any story based on unnamed sources.


My guess would be that this is a plant from Loria. He gave some or all of those people some kind of assurances about job security (maybe even back when he first hired them), and now that Jeter isn't going to honor those guarantees, this is Loria's way of saying that his hands are clean. "Ah, well. I told him you were great, but Mean Ol' Jeets wanted to have things his way. Bad luck, old bean - be sure to let my assistant know if you need a reference."
   28. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 05:46 PM (#5553504)
Of course, Jeffery Luria ... grudge against Luria
Jeff Lurie owns the Eagles. Jeff Loria used to own the Marlins. There is no Jeff Luria.
   29. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 13, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5553509)
That's swell, Loria shoveled all his free money into his pockets and those of his front-office cronies while crying poor and you're reflexive response is to target the poor self-reliant folks stuck paying the bill.
You mean the taxpayers of New York who were robbed at gunpoint to buy the Steinbrenners a stadium?
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:22 PM (#5553543)
You mean the taxpayers of New York who were robbed at gunpoint to buy the Steinbrenners a stadium

The Yankees paid for the Stadium; the public subsidy was using tax-exempt local bonds to finance the deal, merely giving them a better interest rate. As these things go, that's pretty small potatoes. Other teams have done much better.
   31. Captain Supporter Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5553547)
My guess would be that this is a plant from Loria. He gave some or all of those people some kind of assurances about job security (maybe even back when he first hired them), and now that Jeter isn't going to honor those guarantees, this is Loria's way of saying that his hands are clean. "Ah, well. I told him you were great, but Mean Ol' Jeets wanted to have things his way.


This makes sense to me. And, of course, Heyman knows it was a plant but the 'story' was given to him with the understanding that he wouldn't say that.
   32. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:32 PM (#5553550)
Downsizing generally worries me. 1 guy doing the work of 4 is common these days. I hope he's paid well. In my experience (smaller dollars, obviously, but still) that one guy gets run ragged, is usually asked to work crazy long hours and work suffers.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5553557)
Will Denbo be doing the work of 4 ... or will he end up as the "senior" VP of dev and scouting who will hire 3 assistants.
   34. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: October 13, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5553566)
You tell me smarty pants. :-)
   35. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2017 at 12:41 AM (#5553765)
The Yankees paid for the Stadium; the public subsidy was using tax-exempt local bonds to finance the deal, merely giving them a better interest rate. As these things go, that's pretty small potatoes.

What's a half billion dollars amongst fellow New Yorkers?

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