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Thursday, December 15, 2011
And let’s all welcome Jon Heyman to CBSSports! Thrills!
But where might Fielder get that kind of coin? Here are the contenders (with odds):
1. Rangers: They aren’t even completely in the game yet, but if the Rangers get in, look out. They have a superb team, ridiculous lineup and a great hitters park, all attributes that could lure Fielder. But will they play for Prince? Rangers people have been suggesting all along that their focus is pitching and trades, but that may just be because they haven’t yet gotten approval from upper management to offer what it would take. Club president Nolan Ryan, who never wanted to go beyond five years for Cliff Lee, hasn’t seemed the type to consider deals of eight years or longer. But he did go big last year with a late-in-the-winter five-year, $80 million deal for third baseman Adrian Beltre, so there is precedent for a surprise. The lineup is already arguably the best in baseball, but first baseman Mitch Moreland didn’t exactly distinguish himself in the playoffs and has a wrist injury to boot. There is word the Rangers have talked about trades for Moreland, giving rise to more rumors. While this team is excellent as is, the Rangers might want to counter the Angels, who stole ex-Texas ace C.J. Wilson and now have four starters who are more accomplished and arguably better than any of the Rangers’ starters. The way to combat that is with bats. Well, here’s one. Odds: 3-1
2. Cubs: Fielder is exactly the kind of free agent new execs Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer would want in that he is only 27 and carries the potential to be a cleanup man and foundation player for years to come. Fielder loves hitting in Wrigley Field, which can’t hurt, and of course, everyone loves Chicago. The Cubs aren’t exactly poor, either. They just paid $18.5 million for Epstein. Odds: 4-1
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Posted: December 15, 2011 at 09:51 PM | 36 comment(s)
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1. bunyon Posted: December 15, 2011 at 10:17 PM (#4017340)It makes sense, but they've seemed remarkably uninterested in spending real money on FAs.
Besides the obvious tissues surrounding Prince, what are the other problems?
Even the Michael Young deal is hardly a disaster. While not of All-Star quality, the guy is still a solidly above average player.
I'd love to see the Cubs get him, but the Rangers do seem like a better fit. This was even discussed on Clubhouse Confidential yesterday with some fancy swooshing graphics and whatnot.
And I still think he'll get 8 years.
You have to be exaggerating, right? I don't think you'll actually be shocked when he eventually signs for 6+ years.
Part of that is because their best players aren't locked up for much longer (besides Beltre). Kinsler has 2 years (one of them a club option, which will certainly be picked up), Cruz has 2 years, and Napoli and Hamilton have 1 year. I'd prefer they replace Hamilton with Fielder or Darvish, but Cruz and Kinsler aren't going to be cheap. It's debatable how much Napoli would cost.
I don't understand the tissues reference. Sorry.
If the rest is a serious question, you have a heavy set guy with a family history of blowing up like a Macy's Day balloon. He's a poor defensive player. He is a poor baserunner. He gives great effort at each but is limited. And if he does get heavier he will be far more limited.
And he loved hitting in Miller Park. Even with Texas being Texas I suspect Prince takes a step down offensively changing leagues. So that makes for a potentially very expensive DH if his other negatives make playing him on the field completely unattractive.
I will be surprised.
I certainly wouldn't sign Prince for anything more than 5 with a club option for a sixth season and the related buyout clause.
I think it speaks poorly for a front office to give a guy with these red flags such a long-term commitment.
Other clubs should take more restrained approaches out of common sense.
I DO think Prince is motivated to pass all of his father's career records. But even with that fire burning from within he could still be out of the game in four years.
Heavy guys don't age well. This is not news
It shouldn't take that long to pass Big daddy. 90 more HR, 350 RBI, 300 hits, 170 runs. He's already passed him in triples and SB, and is tied in doubles. I guess the RBI's will take the longest, 3-3.5 years.
Granted that Prince is a unique case, but are there any examples of a star free agent position player in their 20's signing for 5 years or less in the past decade or two?
Correct.
Hence, my recommendation that he not be signed much beyond that point.
It isn't ALL about Dad but that stuff matters. I suspect part of his motivation to pass up on the extra cheeseburgers will go away once he passes the old man in homers, etc.
He's passing up on extra cheeseburgers?
I hear you. I know what you are saying.
I am saying that with all the history and knowledge the clubs should know that this is the guy where things should change.
And I suspect it isn't the annual number that is delaying Fielder from signing. It's the years. I have to believe that everyone is ok with 20 odd million per annum
Just not for umpteen years.
Oh yeah. Fielder gripes all the time about having to be careful about his eating habits.
Haven't done a venn diagram to see who is in the mix for both but certainly something to consider
I guess Epstein and Hoyer's revolutionary "Sign good players before they're old" strategy is no longer a secret.
I was referring to the visible layers of fat that fill out Prince's uniform - but wondered if there were more subtle things that I hadn't heard about.
Yes. He has been a vegetarian since 2007/2008.
Boras often does give enough valid inside info to Heyman to give Heyman the scoops Heyman needs and make the relationship worthwhile to Heyman. But Boras also strategically uses Heyman as a mouthpiece as it suits Boras' purposes. IMHO, Heyman articles like this still carry the stench of Boras' hands as Boras endeavors to spin public perceptions toward his clients.
I don't think anyone will be surprised when we see the crawl on ESPNnews "CBS Sports' Jon Heyman is reporting that Prince Fielder has signed with....."
This. Although Texas is well situated for the future (strong farm system, good front office, deep pockets) their window for winning the World Series is RIGHT NOW. Even counting his bad defense (and can he really be worse than Michael Young at 1B?), Fielder is a 3-4 win upgrade over Mitch Moreland and almost certainly would be the best hitter in what's already a pretty good lineup.
The Rangers best players are either in or just past their primes, and a lot of them will be FAs in the next couple of years. Dump a load of money on Fielder for 6-7 (I'd be surprised if anybody gives him 8) years and push for the ring while the window is still open. Even if Fielder is toast at 32, the Rangers don't have any other lousy contracts besides Young who's gone in 2 years anyway, so Fielder's contract won't cripple the team by itself.
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