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Wednesday, October 04, 2017

Heyman | Real Wild-Card Loser Is Pace Of Play

When they were just finishing the third inning around 10 PM, I knew there was no way I would make it to the end. I don’t need the games done in two hours. Somewhere between 2 1/2 to 3 hours would be fine. 4+ hour games with 8 PM start times means I’m missing the end. That bites. Tonight I have an extra incentive to stay late. I’ve been rooting for the D’Backs all year since I put $100 down on them at 100-1 odds back before Spring Training started. Unfortunately, I might have to find out if they won Thursday morning.

The wild-card game is a wonderful, fantastic, stupendous idea… in theory, anyway. The games are always energizing and almost always riveting.

Now if only someone could stay up to see them.

For those who didn’t make it to the conclusion of the playoff season opener (just about everyone on the East Coast, I assume), the Yankees beat the Twins, ending Minnesota’s gloriously surprising season, in a game that ended on Wednesday on the East Coast after beginning squarely on Tuesday.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 04, 2017 at 01:31 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: pace of play, twins, wild card, yankees

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   1. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 04, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5544483)
Last night was brutal, there is no way to spin it otherwise. Considering the first inning didn't end until just before 9PM the fact that it was actually less than four hours was a surprise. From the second inning on it was a pretty good, well played game that unfortunately would have turned people off.

I'm really looking forward to tonight though. Two good teams that I don't see virtually any of on the east coast with solid starters on both sides. Plus each team has a true star (Goldschmidt and Arenado) that really deserve a moment in the spotlight.
   2. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 04, 2017 at 02:48 PM (#5544493)
The last 6 innings moved at a much better pace, considering playoff games are slower in general. I think it was about 2 hours for the first 3 innings (45+ minutes for the first), and then 2 hours for the last 6.
   3. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5544503)
Apologies if versions of this question have been asked and answered multiple times in other threads:

I have Comcast/Xfinity internet-only service, and was unable to watch last night's game as "Watch ESPN" is not supported unless you have Xfinity TV service. Any idea how I can stream tonight's game from home? (I have a Firestick but not a Roku or Sling.)
   4. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5544510)
I think Postseason.tv should work for you tonight. It's on TBS, not ESPN tonight. Not sure how that works for streaming without cable.
   5. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5544512)
#3 This sub usually has a pirate stream of the baseball games, and the stream pops up about an hour before game time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/

If you have some way of playing videos from your PC to your TV, use it to show this stream on the TV.
   6. JustDan Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5544516)
Pace is different than length. The first inning had a lot of action: 6 runs and a pitching change!
   7. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5544523)
Last night was good entertainment spoiled by poor pacing.

Having watched some 75 percent of Dodgers games this year (my first MLB season w/cable since '14), I can attest to it being the same: fun games but of ridiculous length. They had only two games running shorter than 2-1/2 hours. Two. For comparison, LA's number of 4 hours-plus non-extra innings games: Three. They played a 1-0 game (road win, so 18 half-innings) in a brisk 3:21.
   8. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 04, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5544530)
Thanks Jose & RTG!
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 04, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5544547)
Last night was good entertainment spoiled by poor pacing.

Having watched some 75 percent of Dodgers games this year (my first MLB season w/cable since '14), I can attest to it being the same: fun games but of ridiculous length. They had only two games running shorter than 2-1/2 hours. Two. For comparison, LA's number of 4 hours-plus non-extra innings games: Three. They played a 1-0 game (road win, so 18 half-innings) in a brisk 3:21.


Fun fact: I realize it was a war year, but in 1943 the White Sox played 44 doubleheaders, meaning 88 games, in a 154 game schedule. 18 of those 44 doubleheaders took less time to complete than that Yankees-Twins game last night, and many more of them took just a few minutes more.
   10. Tim M Posted: October 04, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5544567)
18 of those 44 doubleheaders took less time to complete than that Yankees-Twins game last night, and many more of them took just a few minutes more.


That's amazing. MLB needs to sit down and watch some grainy old footage and figure out how it all went so very wrong. And then, y'know, fix it. Yeah, I fell asleep about the 7th.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 04, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5544578)
That's amazing. MLB needs to sit down and watch some grainy old footage and figure out how it all went so very wrong. And then, y'know, fix it. Yeah, I fell asleep about the 7th.

Well, for starters the White Sox had only 33 home runs all year, and played the first month or so with the ultra-non-lively Baluta ball. Comiskey Park also measured 352' down the lines and 440' to CF, and the Sox and their opponents combined averaged fewer than 7 strikeouts and 7 walks per game, which meant that lots of balls were being put in play.

And of course since the inferior talent combined with the equipment and park factors meant that there were no real home run threats, it also meant that the pitchers had no motivation to nibble at the edges and make the perfect pitch in order to avoid the home run. So I'd also imagine that there weren't many full counts during the course of a game. All this made for an almost perfect storm for producing games under 2 hours.
   12. Sunday silence Posted: October 04, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5544592)
So just move back the fences and games will take less than two hours? just like that.
   13. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 04, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5544612)
The pace wouldn't be as bad if they'd start at a reasonable time, like 7:00pm sharp. Instead, we have to listen to David Ross and the rest of the hobnobbers drool over Aaron Judge until almost 8:15.
   14. AndrewJ Posted: October 04, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5544615)
The Robins/Braves 26-inning game in 1920 was one minute shorter than last night's game.
   15. spycake Posted: October 04, 2017 at 07:22 PM (#5544624)
I think Postseason.tv should work for you tonight. It's on TBS, not ESPN tonight. Not sure how that works for streaming without cable.


This won't work in the USA, as Postseason.tv requires an authenticated cable login here.
   16. spycake Posted: October 04, 2017 at 07:39 PM (#5544631)
I have Comcast/Xfinity internet-only service, and was unable to watch last night's game as "Watch ESPN" is not supported unless you have Xfinity TV service. Any idea how I can stream tonight's game from home? (I have a Firestick but not a Roku or Sling.)


Cheapest legal option is signing up for Sling TV. You could do a free trial first, then sign up for a month if you want. Sling Blue package will get you FS1 and TBS (no more playoff games on ESPN anyway) for $25. Local FOX affiliate too in some markets. I know Sling credentials will work in the Fox Sports Go app, so you wouldn't necessarily need the Sling app for those games (but you would for the TBS ones).

If you really need the two MLBN games, you could go with Vue (Core package) instead for $45.
   17. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: October 04, 2017 at 07:42 PM (#5544633)
I work 4-midnight, get to watch the playoffs on my PC at work, and I STILL don't get to see the end of the games. It's awful. They are killing their future for the dollars they are making in the present.
   18. Bote Man Posted: October 04, 2017 at 08:00 PM (#5544637)
Sling credentials will work in the Fox Sports Go app

That Fox Sports web site/application was a big p.o.s. last time I tried to use it (2 years ago??) with Dear Old Dad's Cox Cable credentials. I will say that these days Chrome seems to do better than Firefox at most streaming media web sites on a Windows PC, so it's worth it to try both and use the one that works better for you.

Last night I was watching the MLB.tv stream just fine from ... [ checks VPN locale ] ... the south of England, where I enjoyed a spot of tea, Earl Grey, hot before the game.
   19. spycake Posted: October 04, 2017 at 08:03 PM (#5544638)
I think the Fox Sports Go app has improved, and both the app and the Web site support Chromecast too, which generally provides the most stable stream for me.
   20. Rally Posted: October 05, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5544889)
Cheapest legal option is signing up for Sling TV. You could do a free trial first, then sign up for a month if you want.


I've been pretty happy with Sling. I've got the $20 option which gives me TBS and ESPN. I guess I'll have to switch to the higher package to watch the AL playoffs on the Fox channels. Its easy to switch back after a month. They had a deal where if you pay for 2 months in advance, they send you a free Roku.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 05, 2017 at 09:46 AM (#5544904)
And of course since the inferior talent combined with the equipment and park factors meant that there were no real home run threats, it also meant that the pitchers had no motivation to nibble at the edges and make the perfect pitch in order to avoid the home run. So I'd also imagine that there weren't many full counts during the course of a game. All this made for an almost perfect storm for producing games under 2 hours.

The number of pitches thrown isn't the problem. It's the 30 seconds between each pitch. If they threw the ball withint 12 seconds like the rule says, the pacing would be fine.

Seriously, this analysis has been done. It's not the commercials, it's not the level of scoring, it's not the number of pitches.

https://www.sbnation.com/a/mlb-2017-season-preview/game-length

The time between pitches adds over 25 minutes to a game.
   22. Lassus Posted: October 05, 2017 at 09:52 AM (#5544908)
I've been pretty happy with Sling. I've got the $20 option which gives me TBS and ESPN. I guess I'll have to switch to the higher package to watch the AL playoffs on the Fox channels. Its easy to switch back after a month. They had a deal where if you pay for 2 months in advance, they send you a free Roku.

Nothing in my life has ever made me feel more like an old man than listening to these "cord-cutting" options. I'm still in my 40s, it's not even the tech, it's just the hassle that seems so not worth my time.
   23. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 05, 2017 at 10:11 AM (#5544922)
The time between pitches adds over 25 minutes to a game.

And it would make the game much much much more watchable.
   24. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 05, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5544932)
Nothing in my life has ever made me feel more like an old man than listening to these "cord-cutting" options. I'm still in my 40s, it's not even the tech, it's just the hassle that seems so not worth my time.


What gets me about it is that it's not really a meaningful cost savings approach either. I switched cable companies recently and in the course of that did some digging. To get the same speed internet I now have plus Sling or PlayStation Vue would be the same cost as my internet plus cable package which gives me a lot more channels.
   25. jmurph Posted: October 05, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5544963)
What gets me about it is that it's not really a meaningful cost savings approach either.

I'm saving $94 per month, so the mileage varies on this one.

(I don't judge either way whether that counts as meaningful, in all honesty: pre-children I wouldn't have made the move to cut the cord to save that much, but it's been worth it for our current family situation on account of children rob you of both your soul and your riches.)
   26. RMc's Daps of the Dope Artists Posted: October 05, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5545284)
Last night was brutal, there is no way to spin it otherwise.

That moment when you realize you've become part of the problem: "Aww, c'mon, guys, it was under four hours! That's not bad for a playoff game...!"

79 AB + 5 BB + 12 pitching changes + 16 side changes = 112 'events' in 234 minutes, or 2.09 MPE. That's...fairly typical for a modern playoff game. Regular season games, it's about 1.6 or so.

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