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Thursday, October 12, 2017

Heyman | Ruben Amaro On Tigers Radar For Manager Opening

Amaro is an interesting candidate.

Others in the mix in Detroit include Mike Redmond, Fredi Gonzalez, Hensley Meulens, Joe McEwing and a trio of in-house candidates: Lloyd McClendon, Dave Clark and Omar Vizquel.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 12, 2017 at 06:01 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 12, 2017 at 06:19 AM (#5550905)
Ruin Tomorrow Jr.?
   2. eddieot Posted: October 12, 2017 at 07:36 AM (#5550908)
Reports out of Philly say he's in the running to replace Pete Mackanin too. The immediate visceral reaction from every Phils fan is "WTF!?" But manager and GM require completely different skill sets. He's a baseball lifer so I'd like to see what he can do. But please, God, not in Philly. This is a team that needs someone who's been around the block as a manager. Not sure who that is but it's not Amaro. Maybe Cleveland fires Tito in a fit of panic?
   3. BDC Posted: October 12, 2017 at 08:23 AM (#5550921)
The Rangers have had good results of late hiring first-time ML managers who were bench coaches with successful teams (Ron Washington, Jeff Banister; yes, I know Washington became a cocaine joke, but not many managers win two pennants). That seems a natural path – I wonder who's eligible at the moment?

Chris Speier (Nationals) would seem to head that group, though he's 67 now and may have acquired the rep of career coach, never a manager. (Still, 67 is hardly ancient.) Dino Ebel of the Angels? Dave Martinez of the Cubs? David Bell of St. Louis? I seem to remember Ron Wotus (SF) appearing on shortlists before.

I have no idea what these guys are like to work with, obviously, only that they all have resumés that would seem to indicate well and truly ready to take over a top job.

   4. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: October 12, 2017 at 08:31 AM (#5550926)
I'm surprised Dave Martinez hasn't gotten a manager job yet
It'd be nice to see Speier get a shot
   5. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 12, 2017 at 09:28 AM (#5550973)
Chris Speier (Nationals) would seem to head that group, though he's 67 now and may have acquired the rep of career coach, never a manager


My potentially faulty recollection from ~30 years ago is that Speier was often talked up as a future manager -- I seem to remember him in that same sort of Don Baylor/Bob Boone/etc category.

I feel like I can vaguely recall him being on candidate/interview lists over the years.
   6. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 12, 2017 at 09:46 AM (#5550990)
FWIW every story about Amaro during his time as Red Sox first base coach has been incredibly positive. His work ethic and knowledge have been really praised.

That seems a natural path – I wonder who's eligible at the moment?


Alex Cora has to be one of the top candidates. He ticks all the boxes (bench coach in Houston, young, well regarded) and somewhat crassly as a minority candidate has to be appealing to MLB in general. He's been on every "future manager" list for a long time.
   7. BDC Posted: October 12, 2017 at 10:19 AM (#5551014)
Yes, Cora was interviewed for the Texas job that went to Banister two years ago.

The Rangers' own bench coach is Steve Buechele, who has worked with Banister for three years now after managing throughout the Rangers' minor-league system. Another guy who would be quite plausible.
   8. Rally Posted: October 12, 2017 at 10:45 AM (#5551040)
Hensley Meulens


I think its about time we have a manager called "Bam-Bam".


Chris Speier (Nationals) would seem to head that group, though he's 67 now and may have acquired the rep of career coach, never a manager. (Still, 67 is hardly ancient.)


That fact makes me feel ancient. I remember when Speier was good - as a player. His son (Justin) was a good pitcher for a few years, now he's been retired for about 6 or 7 years. 67 would not be the oldest manager but probably the oldest first time manager. To put that into perspective, it's one year older than Tony LaRussa was when he managed his final season.

He's 12 years older than Earl Weaver was for his final season, but while I don't know exactly what Speier looks like right now, he probably looks younger than Weaver did as a 37 year old rookie manager.
   9. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 12, 2017 at 10:51 AM (#5551049)
My potentially faulty recollection from ~30 years ago is that Speier was often talked up as a future manager -- I seem to remember him in that same sort of Don Baylor/Bob Boone/etc category.

I feel like I can vaguely recall him being on candidate/interview lists over the years.


I'm actually kind of surprised to learn that Speier never did manage in the big leagues. His name was thrown around so often I think in my mind I had him spending a couple of years someplace like Milwaukee.
   10. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: October 12, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5551104)
Ruin Tomorrow Jr.?


Given that the Phils fairly stocked system and young players came from Amaro, I'm not sure why he wouldn't go back to GM. I curse him forever for Delmon Young, but most of the bad signings (i.e. keeping the old guys forever) were ownership based. He also made everyone look very stupid with how large a return he got for Hamels.
   11. Batman Posted: October 12, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5551124)
I think its about time we have a manager called "Bam-Bam".
Hiring Boomer didn't work out for the White Sox.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2017 at 11:37 AM (#5551139)
I believe the oldest first-time manager was Tom Sheehan, who took over the Giants in mid-season in 1960, at the age of 66. He finished out the year, then never managed again.

Sheehan replaced Bill Rigney, who was fired even though the Giants were 33-25. In fact, that was Rigney's fifth season at the helm, and after his first season, the Giants improved their winning percentage every year he managed them. When he was fired, they were on track for the best record since 1954. Seems like a strange firing.
   13. OsunaSakata Posted: October 12, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5551219)
Sheehan replaced Bill Rigney, who was fired even though the Giants were 33-25. In fact, that was Rigney's fifth season at the helm, and after his first season, the Giants improved their winning percentage every year he managed them. When he was fired, they were on track for the best record since 1954. Seems like a strange firing.


From sabr.org:

In 1959 the team led the league by 3½ games in late August, but dropped 18 of their last 29 games to finish in third place, three games behind the Dodgers. That collapse put Rigney’s job in jeopardy.

In June 1960 the Giants were in second place with a 33-25 record, four games behind the league-leading Pirates. However, they had lost eight of 12 games, including three straight at home to the Pirates, and Horace Stoneham, who held Rigney responsible for the prior year’s collapse, fired his manager.
   14. Wahoo Sam Posted: October 12, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5551251)
Ultimately I think they'll hire Omar Vizquel. He's a safe choice for an ownership group that most likely wants to put the team on the auction block.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: October 12, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5551267)
Alex Cora has to be one of the top candidates. He ticks all the boxes (bench coach in Houston, young, well regarded) and somewhat crassly as a minority candidate has to be appealing to MLB in general. He's been on every "future manager" list for a long time.


Our old friend Carlos Gomez (no, not that one. The wannabe reliever turned exec), said Alex Cora was the smartest player he'd ever played with. I'd love to see him get a shot somewhere.

   16. Wahoo Sam Posted: October 12, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5551322)
Our old friend Carlos Gomez (no, not that one. The wannabe reliever turned exec), said Alex Cora was the smartest player he'd ever played with. I'd love to see him get a shot somewhere.


I think Boston will snatch him up.
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 12, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5551376)
Reports out of Philly say he's in the running to replace Pete Mackanin too. The immediate visceral reaction from every Phils fan is "WTF!?" But manager and GM require completely different skill sets. He's a baseball lifer so I'd like to see what he can do.

All my instincts say that when someone is considered equally well qualified for both manager and GM positions, what he is actually qualified for is first base coach. But maybe he would be a good manager. It worked when Kevin McHale was hired as a head coach after making a variety of blunders as GM of the Timberwolves.
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 12, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5551412)
I know Washington became a cocaine joke, but not many managers win two pennants

Assuming a team was willing to go that route, how do they find out which managerial candidates are using?
   19. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 12, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5551453)
Amaro and Scott Boras traded barbs after Amaro allegedly backed out of a multi-year offer for Ryan Madson before the 2012 season. Surprised to see this suggestion from Heyman.
   20. You're a clown, RMc! I'm tired of it! Posted: October 12, 2017 at 10:01 PM (#5552049)
Mike Redmond, Fredi Gonzalez, Hensley Meulens, Joe McEwing and a trio of in-house candidates: Lloyd McClendon, Dave Clark and Omar Vizquel.


Just reading this list of nobodies makes me very sad. (This team is gonna suck until 2025 or so, aren't they?)
   21. Wahoo Sam Posted: October 13, 2017 at 01:18 AM (#5552944)
(This team is gonna suck until 2025 or so, aren't they?)


Yeah, because it's very easy to predict what will happen in baseball eight years from now. Just witness the Twins of 2017.
   22. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 13, 2017 at 01:28 AM (#5552949)
It's always a good bet the Tigers will suck. It was the anomoly that there was a period when they didn't.
   23. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 13, 2017 at 07:31 AM (#5552970)
Just reading this list of nobodies makes me very sad. (This team is gonna suck until 2025 or so, aren't they?)


It's going to suck as long as Dave Littlebrain is prominently involved in running the show. Every Pirates fan knew what was coming the instant they heard Al Avila's first act as GM was to promote Littlebrain as his right hand man.

That guy must be an absolutely amazing office politician.
   24. You're a clown, RMc! I'm tired of it! Posted: October 13, 2017 at 07:48 AM (#5552972)
Just witness the Twins of 2017.

Well, the Twins improved by 93 runs on offense and 101 on defense from 2016-17. How do you propose the 2018 Tigers do that? Sign Shohei Otani and his identical triplet brothers?

Nope. No big-name manager, no star free agents, no Verlander, no JD, an aging Kinsler...and Miggy stumbling around hitting .230 until he's finally shipped off to the Yankees for a handful of magic beans. Hey, Tigers fans, remember the 90s and early 00s? You're about to see them again!
   25. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 13, 2017 at 08:19 AM (#5552977)
Chris Speier (Nationals) would seem to head that group, though he's 67 now and may have acquired the rep of career coach, never a manager. (Still, 67 is hardly ancient.)


Chris Speier, will never retire.

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