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Heyman’s Latest: Mets, Machado, Red Sox, Dodgers, Marlins

Jon Heyman of Fancred hears that the Mets have decided they’d rather spread their money around to various areas than splurge on Machado.

Oh good, more mid-tier free agents.  THAT IS WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO AND FAIL.  A 3 WAR player isn’t an “impact bat.”  It’s a supporting cast member.

Adam Starblind Posted: November 18, 2018 at 06:41 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 19, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5789208)

As far as New York’s position player group goes, Heyman lists catcher, second base and center field as spots the team could spend on this winter.

Why would they focus on second base? I don't expect Jeff McNeill to put up a 140 OPS+ next year, but he certainly looks like an above average player.

Machado would obviously make a big difference at 3B, even though I'm fine going into next season with Frazier there. And he does feel kind of like the kind of guy who would come to the Mets and immediately become a worse player.
   2. Hysterical & Useless Posted: November 19, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5789212)
the kind of guy who would come to the Mets and immediately become a worse player.


George Foster, Carlos Baerga, Robbie Alomar, Moo Vaughn, Jason Bay...is there anybody they can't send off a cliff?
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 19, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5789218)
The reality is that Machado probably has no interest in coming to the Mets. He wants to play SS, and presumably for a contender. The Mets would need to blow him away with $$$.
   4. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: November 19, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5789244)
A 3 WAR player isn’t an “impact bat.”

It is if he plays atrocious defense!
   5. Belfry Bob Posted: November 20, 2018 at 04:28 AM (#5789484)
Moo Vaughn


Classic.
   6. bbmck Posted: November 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5789670)
First season with new team that follows a season with a different team because team TOT makes searches and comparisons a lot more annoying for various established position player stars in the last 60 or so years, essentially arbitrary parameters, Graig Nettles and David Ortiz didn't do enough for Twins before leaving them to generate expectations, Vada Pinson is young but seemingly past his prime when he starts changing teams, Ortiz and Pinson not listed, Nettles first listed when he leaves Indians, Magglio Ordonez finishes 2nd in MVP in 2007 but didn't bother listing signing with the Tigers since the 2 seasons around it combine for 134 games and 2.5 WAR and Kenny Lofton is listed twice for his outlier 2005 season while a couple of his earlier signings are not as examples of arbitrary decisions.

Angels
-4.6 WAR: Age 28 Bobby Grich, -.028 OPS, -26 OPS+
-2.9 WAR: Age 30 Bobby Bonds, -.165 OPS, -32 OPS+
-2.4 WAR: Age 33 Rod Carew, -.043 OPS, -14 OPS+
-0.5 WAR: Age 32 Albert Pujols, -.047 OPS, -10 OPS+
+0.3 WAR: Age 26 Andrelton Simmons, +.030 OPS, +7 OPS+
+0.5 WAR: Age 35 Bobby Abreu, -.018 OPS, -2 OPS+
+2.1 WAR: Age 36 Reggie Jackson, +.149 OPS, +27 OPS+ (1982)
+2.4 WAR: Age 29 Vladimir Guerrero, -.023 OPS, +1 OPS+
+2.8 WAR: Age 37 Frank Robinson, +.066 OPS, +24 OPS+

Astros
+1.0 WAR: Age 36 Joe Morgan, -.016 OPS, +8 OPS+

Athletics
-2.9 WAR: Age 38 Mike Piazza, -.116 OPS, -27 OPS+
-2.8 WAR: Age 32 Jose Canseco, -.203 OPS, -40 OPS+
-1.6 WAR: Age 40 Joe Morgan, -.066 OPS, -12 OPS+
-0.1 WAR: Age 37 Billy Williams, -.075 OPS, -15 OPS+
+1.2 WAR: Age 30 Rocky Colavito, +.078 OPS, +18 OPS+
+2.8 WAR: Age 38 Frank Thomas, +.021 OPS, +9 OPS+

Blue Jays
-1.0 WAR: Age 39 Frank Thomas, -.069 OPS, -15 OPS+
+0.8 WAR: Age 36 Paul Molitor, +.060 OPS, +3 OPS+
+1.0 WAR: Age 29 Josh Donaldson, +.141 OPS, +24 OPS+
+1.2 WAR: Age 23 Roberto Alomar, +.070 OPS, +17 OPS+
+1.6 WAR: Age 33 Scott Rolen, +.051 OPS, +20 OPS+
+3.6 WAR: Age 40 Dave Winfield, +.069 OPS, +18 OPS+
+4.6 WAR: Age 28 Devon White, +.164 OPS, +37 OPS+

Braves
-3.9 WAR: Age 28 Marquis Grissom, -.078 OPS, -19 OPS+ (1995)
-3.5 WAR: Age 32 Brian Jordan, -.091 OPS, -30 OPS+
-3.1 WAR: Age 29 Felipe Alou, -.092 OPS, -31 OPS+
-2.0 WAR: Age 34 Jim Wynn, -.077 OPS, -27 OPS+
-0.5 WAR: Age 30 Kenny Lofton, +.020 OPS, +12 OPS+
+0.0 WAR: Age 33 Gary Sheffield, -.084 OPS, -26 OPS+
+1.4 WAR: Age 31 Orlando Cepeda, +.068 OPS, +3 OPS+

Brewers
-4.9 WAR: Age 31 Ted Simmons, -.242 OPS, -53 OPS+ (1981)
-2.2 WAR: Age 33 Sal Bando, -.031 OPS, -29 OPS+
-2.0 WAR: Age 41 Hank Aaron, -.145 OPS, -33 OPS+
+1.6 WAR: Age 32 Lorenzo Cain, +.010 OPS, +6 OPS+

Cardinals
-3.9 WAR: Age 34 Bobby Bonds, -.209 OPS, -52 OPS+
-2.4 WAR: Age 34 Gene Tenace, -.004 OPS, -6 OPS+ (1981)
-1.4 WAR: Age 28 Dick Allen, -.012 OPS, -19 OPS+
+0.4 WAR: Age 29 Reggie Smith, +.004 OPS, +5 OPS+
+0.7 WAR: Age 28 Joe Torre, +.099 OPS, +14 OPS+
+0.8 WAR: Age 25 Jason Heyward, +.062 OPS, +8 OPS+
+4.0 WAR: Age 27 Ozzie Smith, +.104 OPS, +22 OPS+ (1982)
+5.5 WAR: Age 30 Jim Edmonds, +.228 OPS, +52 OPS+

Cubs
-5.3 WAR: Age 26 Jason Heyward, -.166 OPS, -49 OPS+
-1.8 WAR: Age 35 Ron Cey, +.054 OPS, +7 OPS+
-1.7 WAR: Age 31 Johnny Callison, +.015 OPS, -16 OPS+
+1.6 WAR: Age 32 Andre Dawson, +.081 OPS, +7 OPS+

D'Backs
-1.7 WAR: Age 32 Matt Williams, -.029 OPS, -1 OPS+
+2.5 WAR: Age 35 Devon White, +.085 OPS, +16 OPS+
+4.9 WAR: Age 34 Steve Finley, +.159 OPS, +23 OPS+

Dodgers
-4.6 WAR: Age 31 Andruw Jones, -.219 OPS, -52 OPS+
-3.3 WAR: Age 27 Shawn Green, -.133 OPS, -28 OPS+
-3.2 WAR: Age 36 Devon White, -.048 OPS, -14 OPS+
-2.8 WAR: Age 39 Kenny Lofton, +.048 OPS, -14 OPS+
-2.6 WAR: Age 29 Darryl Strawberry, -.027 OPS, 0 OPS+
-1.4 WAR: Age 35 Brian Jordan, -.023 OPS, +9 OPS+
-1.3 WAR: Age 36 Frank Robinson, -.099 OPS, -26 OPS+
-1.2 WAR: Age 33 Eddie Murray, -.093 OPS, -23 OPS+
+2.0 WAR: Age 34 Willie Randolph, +.071 OPS, +24 OPS+
+2.2 WAR: Age 31 Kirk Gibson, -.001 OPS, +18 OPS+
+2.3 WAR: Age 32 Nomar Garciaparra, +.100 OPS, +23 OPS+
+3.1 WAR: Age 29 Dick Allen, -.074 OPS, +5 OPS+
+4.9 WAR: Age 32 Jim Wynn, +.142 OPS, +44 OPS+

Giants
-4.7 WAR: Age 29 Edgardo Alfonzo, -.125 OPS, -38 OPS+
-1.7 WAR: Age 32 Evan Longoria, -.043 OPS, -10 OPS+
-1.6 WAR: Age 37 Joe Morgan, +.008 OPS, 0 OPS+ (1981)
+0.9 WAR: Age 28 Barry Bonds, +.056 OPS, +2 OPS+
+2.9 WAR: Age 37 Reggie Smith, +.202 OPS, +51 OPS+ (1982)

Indians
-3.8 WAR: Age 30 Michael Bourn, -.063 OPS, -8 OPS+
-2.6 WAR: Age 30 Marquis Grissom, -.125 OPS, -31 OPS+
-0.9 WAR: Age 31 Rocky Colavito, -.022 OPS, +3 OPS+
+1.0 WAR: Age 31 Kenny Lofton, -.052 OPS, -17 OPS+
+1.4 WAR: Age 31 Matt Williams, -.082 OPS, -33 OPS+
+2.8 WAR: Age 33 Boog Powell, +.130 OPS, +29 OPS+
+3.6 WAR: Age 31 Roberto Alomar, +.190 OPS, +40 OPS+

Mariners
-6.4 WAR: Age 26 Adrian Beltre, -.301 OPS, -70 OPS+
-1.9 WAR: Age 31 John Olerud, -.059 OPS, -12 OPS+
-1.4 WAR: Age 31 Robinson Cano, -.063 OPS, -5 OPS+

Marlins
-0.1 WAR: Age 33 Carlos Delgado, +.074 OPS, +31 OPS+
+1.4 WAR: Age 31 Ivan Rodriguez, -.052 OPS, -8 OPS+
+2.2 WAR: Age 33 Devon White, +.014 OPS, +7 OPS+ (1996)

Mets
-6.7 WAR: Age 34 Roberto Alomar, -.248 OPS, -60 OPS+
-5.3 WAR: Age 28 Rusty Staub, -.050 OPS, -11 OPS+
-4.7 WAR: Age 25 Tommie Agee, -.110 OPS, -34 OPS+
-4.3 WAR: Age 33 George Foster, -.216 OPS, -60 OPS+ (1982)
-3.4 WAR: Age 37 Willie Randolph, -.128 OPS, -33 OPS+
-1.9 WAR: Age 34 Joe Torre, -.098 OPS, -26 OPS+
-0.6 WAR: Age 31 Gary Carter, 0 OPS, -5 OPS+
-0.1 WAR: Age 34 Carlos Delgado, -.072 OPS, -29 OPS+
+0.7 WAR: Age 35 Ken Boyer, +.017 OPS, +10 OPS+
+0.9 WAR: Age 31 Robin Ventura, +.123 OPS, +24 OPS+
+1.6 WAR: Age 28 John Olerud, +.035 OPS, +19 OPS+

Nationals
-1.3 WAR: Age 34 Willie Davis, -.015 OPS, -9 OPS+
+0.2 WAR: Age 35 Tony Perez, +.037 OPS, +3 OPS+
+3.0 WAR: Age 25 Rusty Staub, +.191 OPS, +34 OPS+

Orioles
-3.7 WAR: Age 32 Albert Belle, -.114 OPS, -29 OPS+
-2.9 WAR: Age 29 Rafael Palmeiro, +.016 OPS, -14 OPS+ (1994)
-2.8 WAR: Age 39 Rafael Palmeiro, -.071 OPS, -8 OPS+
-1.4 WAR: Age 30 Reggie Jackson, +.013 OPS, +18 OPS+
+2.5 WAR: Age 30 Miguel Tejada, +.087 OPS, +20 OPS+
+2.6 WAR: Age 28 Roberto Alomar, +.135 OPS, +27 OPS+ (1996)
+2.6 WAR: Age 30 Frank Robinson, +.122 OPS, +47 OPS+
+3.6 WAR: Age 28 Ken Singleton, +.108 OPS, +43 OPS+

Padres
-1.8 WAR: Age 27 Fred McGriff, -.040 OPS, -6 OPS+
-1.1 WAR: Age 30 Steve Finley, +.022 OPS, +8 OPS+ (1995)
-1.0 WAR: Age 37 Rickey Henderson, -.101 OPS, -24 OPS+ (1996)
-0.2 WAR: Age 39 Graig Nettles, -.045 OPS, -11 OPS+
+0.1 WAR: Age 36 Willie McCovey, -.044 OPS, +2 OPS+
+0.4 WAR: Age 30 Gene Tenace, -.007 OPS, -15 OPS+
+2.9 WAR: Age 37 Mike Piazza, +.065 OPS, +18 OPS+

Phillies
-4.3 WAR: Age 33 Dick Allen, -.226 OPS, -70 OPS+
-2.7 WAR: Age 32 Jim Thome, -.164 OPS, -43 OPS+
-1.9 WAR: Age 39 Joe Morgan, -.065 OPS, -20 OPS+
-0.3 WAR: Age 38 Pete Rose, +.065 OPS, +11 OPS+
-0.1 WAR: Age 32 Bill White, -.042 OPS, -6 OPS+
+2.2 WAR: Age 38 Kenny Lofton, +.070 OPS, +14 OPS+

Pirates
-2.3 WAR: Age 36 Gene Tenace, -.332 OPS, -93 OPS+
+2.2 WAR: Age 26 Andy Van Slyke, +.071 OPS, +9 OPS+
+2.7 WAR: Age 27 Brian Giles, +.176 OPS, +37 OPS+

Rangers
-2.2 WAR: Age 32 Adrian Beltre, -.027 OPS, -10 OPS+
-2.1 WAR: Age 25 Alex Rodriguez, -.005 OPS, -3 OPS+
-1.1 WAR: Age 34 Rafael Palmeiro, +.105 OPS, +16 OPS+
-0.1 WAR: Age 35 Bert Campaneris, +.033 OPS, -10 OPS+
+2.1 WAR: Age 30 Will Clark, +.133 OPS, +23 OPS+ (1994)
+2.5 WAR: Age 27 Buddy Bell, +.058 OPS, +7 OPS+
+3.0 WAR: Age 30 Julio Franco, +.077 OPS, +23 OPS+

Rays
+2.7 WAR: Age 34 Fred McGriff, +.018 OPS, +5 OPS+

Reds
+0.6 WAR: Age 30 Ken Griffey Jr, -.018 OPS, -6 OPS+
+3.7 WAR: Age 28 Joe Morgan, +.094 OPS, +32 OPS+

Red Sox
-4.9 WAR: Age 31 Hanley Ramirez, -.100 OPS, -43 OPS+
-3.0 WAR: Age 38 Andre Dawson, -.034 OPS, -22 OPS+
-2.2 WAR: Age 34 Dick McAuliffe, -.174 OPS, -45 OPS+
-0.4 WAR: Age 30 Jose Canseco, -.006 OPS, -3 OPS+ (1995)
+0.4 WAR: Age 29 Manny Ramirez, -.140 OPS, -24 OPS+
+4.5 WAR: Age 31 Adrian Beltre, +.236 OPS, +58 OPS+

Rockies
+0.0 WAR: Age 28 Larry Walker, +.007 OPS, -20 OPS+ (1995)

Royals
-1.8 WAR: Age 34 Kirk Gibson, -.001 OPS, -2 OPS+

Tigers
-4.4 WAR: Age 26 Rocky Colavito, -.058 OPS, -25 OPS+
-1.1 WAR: Age 27 Chet Lemon, -.059 OPS, -32 OPS+ (1982)
-0.5 WAR: Age 25 Miguel Cabrera, -.078 OPS, -20 OPS+
-0.1 WAR: Age 32 Rusty Staub, 0 OPS, +5 OPS+
+0.0 WAR: Age 32 Ivan Rodriguez, +.050 OPS, +17 OPS+
+0.8 WAR: Age 32 Ian Kinsler, -.030 OPS, -3 OPS+
+2.6 WAR: Age 38 Gary Sheffield, +.033 OPS, +12 OPS+

Twins
-3.9 WAR: Age 41 Dave Winfield, -.100 OPS, -33 OPS+
+2.4 WAR: Age 39 Paul Molitor, +.086 OPS, +15 OPS+ (1996)

White Sox
-4.2 WAR: Age 30 Albert Belle, -.210 OPS, -42 OPS+
-3.9 WAR: Age 34 Ron Santo, -.197 OPS, -43 OPS+
-1.1 WAR: Age 33 Carlton Fisk, -.104 OPS, -8 OPS+ (1981)
+0.3 WAR: Age 31 Tim Raines, -.068 OPS, -19 OPS+
+0.8 WAR: Age 35 Julio Franco, +.118 OPS, +19 OPS+ (1994)
+3.2 WAR: Age 30 Dick Allen, +.160 OPS, +48 OPS+
+4.7 WAR: Age 35 Jim Thome, +.302 OPS, +70 OPS+

Yankees
-4.0 WAR: Age 29 Chuck Knoblauch, -.035 OPS, -8 OPS+
-3.6 WAR: Age 28 Giancarlo Stanton, -.155 OPS, -43 OPS+
-2.6 WAR: Age 35 Gary Sheffield, -.096 OPS, -21 OPS+
-2.1 WAR: Age 31 Jason Giambi, -.103 OPS, -27 OPS+
-1.4 WAR: Age 29 Dave Winfield, +.009 OPS, +6 OPS+ (1981)
-0.8 WAR: Age 28 Alex Rodriguez, -.107 OPS, -16 OPS+
-0.8 WAR: Age 31 Reggie Jackson, +.072 OPS, -5 OPS+
+0.7 WAR: Age 29 Bobby Bonds, +.090 OPS, +32 OPS+
+0.8 WAR: Age 28 Graig Nettles, 0 OPS, -5 OPS+
+1.2 WAR: Age 34 Robin Ventura, +.048 OPS, +14 OPS+
+2.1 WAR: Age 35 Wade Boggs, +.029 OPS, +8 OPS+
+3.9 WAR: Age 26 Rickey Henderson, +.077 OPS, +11 OPS+
   7. PreservedFish Posted: November 20, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5789676)
Wow, that's some comment there.

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