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1. BDCI dunno, so it was the next-to-last batter faced of Gibson's career; close enough for a story. It wasn't like he pitched five more games with completely uninteresting results, or something.
which is how too many LaCock stories end
He was not. Gibson was pulled from the rotation twice, once at the end of May and again in July; he didn't start a game after July 8th and while he pitched pretty well in relief (two wins and two saves in his first four appearances) he was bombed by Atlanta on August 16 and was basically relegated to the last man in the bullpen spot after that.
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I think Al should get a little more respect than 'A fellow on twitter'.
Except for the game in question, of course, which Gibson entered in the seventh inning with the score tied.
And was also Paul Lynde's favorite player.
I'm sure everybody wanted to know that, and can now go back to their usual Labor Day activities :)
My very first game featured appearances by both Mays and Aaron - and neither was in the starting lineup. That couldn't have happened very often.
Not with a bang, but with a dribbler....
My very first game featured appearances by both Mays and Aaron - and neither was in the starting lineup. That couldn't have happened very often.
I went to just enough NL games in the 60's and 70's to see pretty much all the superstars in person other than Clemente and Carlton, but my worst experience in my entire fandom was driving from Champaign-Urbana to Wrigley Field on about three hours sleep in order to see Willie Mays play in his last game, which would have been in one of two games of a doubleheader that ended the Mets' 1973 season.
Problem was, not only did Mays sit on the bench all afternoon, but I also went to a makeup doubleheader the next day in order to settle the division race. Another mistake. Mays sat out the division-clinching first game and the then-meaningless nightcap was canceled. And to top it off, Mays played again in the postseason, so even if he'd played in Chicago it wouldn't have really been his final appearance.
And in retrospect, I blew it on the other end, too, since my parents moved me from the Upper West Side of Manhattan to Washington about three months before Mays' ML debut and about two months before Mantle's. I had to settle for being there for the only game in which they both hit home runs.
Werner Klemperer -> Richard Dawson -> Peter Marshall -> Pete LaCock ->
Manny Trillo -> Rick Mahler
I have since had the experience of not seeing Reggie Jackson or Mike Piazza play late in their careers, on their last road trips into New York. (Never saw either of them play in person.) On both occasions I'd thought it would be cool to see them get into the game, but it wasn't like it was the whole focus of my trip to the park.
Of course I was waiting in line underneath the bleachers buying a hot dog when Mays connected, and I had to wait 13 years to actually see him hit a home run in person, but OTOH the pitchers in that game were Marichal and Holtzman, so it wasn't a bad consolation prize.
If Reggie could get a candy bar named after him (I had one in my lunch bag every day, even though I wasn't a Yankees fan), Pete could have had a lollipop line had he been a big star.
The LaCock Sucker - who wouldn't buy one?
Most painful game I ever missed by an accident of birth: The Mantle 565' home run game at Griffith Stadium. It was Safety Patrol Day, but I was a year too young to be a Patrol Boy. When I finally qualified the next year, the highlight was Roy Sievers losing a fly ball in the Sun against the second division Tigers.
Best landmark game I ever went to: Opening Day in Washington in 1956, when Mantle hit not one, but two home runs over the centerfield wall in Griffith Stadium, which at that point doubled the entire output of home runs hit over that wall in the 45 year history of the ballpark. To top in off, I was sitting on the secondary lower bleacher wall behind the newly installed Beer Garden section, and both home runs practically passed directly over my head. Ted Williams added a fifth HR over that wall on Opening Day in 1960, off of the same Nats' pitcher (Camilo Pascual), but by that time I was on my high school baseball team and had to be at practice.
The first game my English niece ever saw was one where Juan Gonzalez hit three home runs. I said, this really doesn't happen every night. She's seen one other game in her life. Gonzalez hit two home runs in that one.
My landmark game so far was the clincher of the 2010 World Series, but as one might imagine, that wasn't very satisfying for me. It did turn out to be Bengie Molina's last MLB game, which I'm certain will be a treasured memory.
Oddly enough, the first game I saw (and remember, 5/8/65) also featured four Hall of Famers: Morgan, Banks, Santo, and Williams. The guy I remember best from the game was Rusty Staub.
That year was Hawk Harrelson's first with the White Sox. Had you told me then he'd still be with the team 30 years later, I would have thought you were having a stroke.
It was pretty brutal. I remember being relieved when the Sox scored in the 9th for their only highlight.
Six if you count one of the managers.
Seven if you include one of the other team's coaches.
Eight if you also throw in the second base umpire.
I guess that was my one shot, because I've never been able to even come close after that. Hell of a way to start, though.
my uncle had a bar in chicago and my dad would take me to see him under the guise of visiting his brother which really meant they would go to games during the day and then get sh8tfaced that night while i did whatever came to mind. this would last a week give or take.
yes, different time.
Pirates were in Chicago July 11-12, 1938. could that be it?
Pirates won both games:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN193807110.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN193807120.shtml
The first one had the Waners going 0 for 8, plus Arky Vaughan, Billy Herman, Tony Lazzeri, Stan Hack, Phil Cavarretta
the second one had the Waners go 5 for 8, and Rip "Eephus Pitch" Sewell finished up for the Pirates. Gabby Hartnett caught this one for the Cubbies.
it was 1938. i know i was five.
(And no, I never lived in Pennsylvania. I did have relatives there, and we were visiting them on vacation.)
I count five Hall of Famers there, and one of them (Clemente) got hauled off the field on a stretcher. The play happened in the right field corner, and I had no sight line to that - but the batter was out. The play is recorded in a rather matter-of-fact way. Top of the 7th, two out. "J. Davenport Flyball: RF." And for the top of the 8th: "Gino Cimoli replaces Roberto Clemente playing RF batting 5th." (Of course, Clemente had been hauled off on the stretcher back in the 7th.)
The other play of the game also involved outfield defense. Top of the 8th, game tied 0-0, 2 out, bases empty. "A Rodgers Double to CF; Rodgers out at 3B/CF-3B. That involved Bill Virdon picking the ball right off the wall impossibly far out in left center and making an impossible throw to third. Now, all these years before the right informational tools came along, I'd been telling myself that that batter was Willie Mays, but of course it wasn't. (If it had been Mays, he wouldn't have been out at 3rd.)
I've been at Brandon Duckworth's final (unless some MLB team goes completely bonkers--he is playing in Japan right now) major league game and Todd Wellemeyer's final professional game. Superstars no, marginal starting pitchers forever.
Huh. Howard Hughes had just set a new record by flying around the world in 91 hours. Brian Dennehy was a newborn. The late Peter Jennings was not yet born. The first Superman comic was a month old. Charlie Grimm would lose his job as Cubs manager about a week later. Lou Boudreau was a minor leaguer. Lou Gehrig's consecutive games streak was still going on. It had topped 2,000 earlier that year. He hit his 478th homer on July 12.
Gus knocked in 2 runs in the second of the two games, I like the idea of him being in a good mood and giving the li'l future 'banger a ball that day...
i remember SOMEbody hit a home run because i remember the bull snorting on the scoreboard. which was just Teh KEWL!!! then again, it just might could have been a differnt game.
but what i remember most of all is walking up all those ramps and at the end we walked into the stands and i saw all those tiers of brightly colored seats. and i looked down on the field and and as soon as i watched the guys play, i knew immediately what i wanted to do with my life - play baseball. unfortunately, i didn't have the hand/eye coordination required. or the height. or the bat and balls....
My first game at Wrigley (years later) also had a HoFer playing out of position - it was the last time Roberto ALomar played shortstop.
Watching Gibson in 1975 was sad. His leg was shot, from being broken in 1967 and from a knee that had taken all it could take. He had actually been experimenting with a knuckleball as early as 1970, to get the strain off that leg, but he couldn't master it. Watching him throw an aborted motion that led to ordinary fastballs and sliders was just painful. I think the reason that people remember LaCock's slam as being the last pitch Gibson gave up is that Gibson said, repeatedly, that, when LaCock his a grand slam off of him, he knew it was time to retire. However, he still did have an inning to finish. But he was certainly done, going 3-10 for the season. One odd note about that game - the Cardinal outfield that day was Lou Brock, Bake McBride, and Willie Davis. That may be the fastest outfield of all time. - Brock Hanke
I was there, and you could tell LeFlore had no idea where the ball was well before it came down. Ron Kittle was never as incompetent with the glove.
I don't even have to look that game up to remember it. The next day I started a week's vacation in New York where I went to 9 games in 7 days. It began with a Mayor's Cup game against the Giants, continued with a doubleheader where Roger Maris hit four home runs, and ended with Hector Lopez stumbling out of the batter's box while hitting into a game-ending double play to finish off a sweep at the hand of the Orioles. And somewhere in there Blanchard hit two more home runs to give him four in four consectutive at bats (beginning with those two in Boston), and on his next trip to the plate he backed Floyd Robinson of the White Sox against the right field wall in an attempt to break the record for consecutive dingers. It was a glorious week.
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but what i remember most of all is walking up all those ramps and at the end we walked into the stands and i saw all those tiers of brightly colored seats.
No green grass, though. That's what you missed by being in Yewston.
I googled Bill White 14 hits, and there are a couple of sites that mention he tied Ty Cobb for the ML record.
I seem to remember a team sometime in the past decade having to play 3 consecutive double headers. But I can't remember who.
EDIT: Not surprisingly, the Braves went 4-14 and finished the season with 103 losses.
The first game I have a clear memory of going to featured a young Vida Blue dominating the Yankees to improve to 11-2 (with a 1.36 ERA -- it had been 1.31 coming in)
That's what I was thinking, but I'm not sure. A quick Google search says that in 1992 the Dodgers were going to play 3 straight double headers because of cancellations during the riots. Obviously not what I was thinking of, but still...
EDIT: Not surprisingly, the Braves went 4-14 and finished the season with 103 losses.
And unsurprisingly, given the primitive state of tarpaulins in those days, none of those nine doubleheaders were listed on the original 1928 schedule. Teams would routinely be scheduled for only three doubleheaders in any given season** and yet often wind up playing as many as two dozen or more because of quickly called rainouts.
**Decoration Day, July 4th and Labor Day
Same here, my dad supposedly was taking me to games to see Gibson's 3000th strikeout when I was 3-4 years old, but I didn't find out about that until well after my dad passed away to see if I was at Gibson's 3000th I do have the tickets stubs to most of those games stored somewhere, need to check on that sometime.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU198007191.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU198007192.shtml
Three Hall of Famers - Dawson, Carter, and Joe Morgan - but the main thing I remember is being awed by the space, and the scoreboard, and the food (it wasn't good food, but I ate a LOT of it).
My Little League team won a free trip for some fundraising thing, so I got to a Sox game first. Blyleven vs Seaver, with a Fisk pinch-hitting cameo later in the game (thanks, Retrosheet). A total of 10.2 innings, 19 hits, and 10 runs allowed by the starters, so even my very young self could obviously tell I was looking at a matchup of hall-of-famers. I remember basically the final score of this game; much more memorable was the kid yarfing hot dog chunks during the bus ride home.
However, my family leans strongly Cubward, so me having gone to Comiskey but not Wrigley could not be allowed to stand, and thus was I bundled off to see a Cubs game - still one of the few games I've seen in person which they won. Cubs vs Expos, so I got Sandberg/Dawson/Carter, along with Tim Raines, and, apparently, Rick Reuschel in relief. Keith Moreland hit a grand slam, and the Cubs rode those 4 runs to a 4-3 win.
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