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Thursday, May 10, 2018

Hochman: Ex-Cardinal Lynn jaded by free-agency experience

“Maybe I’ll just go on and be a hired gun the rest of my career, I don’t really care,” Lynn said in his monotone voice. “If somebody gives me a chance to pitch, I’m going to go do it, I’m not worried about anything else. It’s kind of been who I’ve been my whole life. I’m going to take the ball and I’m going to try to help the team win.

“That’s kind of the unfortunate business part of baseball now. I was here for seven years and there’s no loyalty in the game. So as players, you’ve noticed players not having the loyalty anymore either. Until some of the things get cleaned up with the way the game’s going, the direction, that’s how it’s going to be.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 09:55 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cardinals, free agency, general, lance lynn, minnesota twins, st louis cardinals, st. louis cardinals, twins

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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 10, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5670036)
I was really hoping the Angels would sign Lynn, but he's been just terrible for the Twins. I wonder how much of that — if any — is due to his obvious unhappiness with leaving St. Louis.
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5670060)
There was a big bump in his xFIP last year, and his K, BB, and HR rates all moved in the wrong direction relative to prior seasons. Warning signs?
   3. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 10, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5670107)
Maybe? Or maybe that was just him getting back from surgery and rehab? I'm curious to see if he strings together a few good months as the season progresses, but I don't think it's crazy to think his overall sadness with his career situation has had some effect on his performance.
   4. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: May 10, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5670108)
That’s kind of the unfortunate business part of baseball now. I was here for seven years and there’s no loyalty in the game. So as players, you’ve noticed players not having the loyalty anymore either. Until some of the things get cleaned up with the way the game’s going, the direction, that’s how it’s going to be.


Loyalty has always been a load of crap in both directions. Lynn could've signed with the Cardinals but he would have received less money and years than he wanted.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: May 10, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5670187)
Perhaps if he’d been born years before, he’d have signed a contract for $100 million
Or he would have been paid $50,000 to pitch 300 innings a year until his arm fell off.
   6. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: May 10, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5670219)

Loyalty has always been a load of crap in both directions. Lynn could've signed with the Cardinals but he would have received less money and years than he wanted.

He couldn't have signed for fewer years without signing a non-guaranteed contract and he did sign for less money because he turned down a higher qualifying offer.

I think players might have some lingering belief that teams stick with the cromulent players they have when free agency hits. Maybe Lynn is labeling that 'loyalty' when it was just a past bad business practice. But I think he is just pissed off he made a bad decision to go to free agency and had a poor sense of what to expect and is lashing out in a way that avoids admitting his own fault and blames something other than the 'system.'
   7. Obo Posted: May 10, 2018 at 05:50 PM (#5670271)
The business of baseball is business, always has been. The difference is, the business model is ever-shifting — and Lynn got caught in the shift.

That's from the article, which isn't all that insightful but I think it does get the essential situation correct.
   8. Panic Posted: May 10, 2018 at 08:18 PM (#5670344)
Quote from Lynn: "But when it's all said and done, we've got to play. It's our job. We go where we're told and where we get offered to play."

He really seems to be spinning this like he received NO offer from STL. The QO was $17.4M. That ain't nothing - even in today's game. I get that they want more years, but it was a legit offer.

I think he got screwed a bit by the situation shifting, but he also seems to be accepting no blame for how this turned out.
   9. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 10, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5670405)
He really seems to be spinning this like he received NO offer from STL. The QO was $17.4M. That ain't nothing - even in today's game. I get that they want more years, but it was a legit offer.
That was what bothered Lynn, IIRC. He felt he earned a multi-year contract and — despite his outward hardarse "I just work here" sourpussery — seemed genuinely hurt that the Cardinals didn't make any extension offers during the season. Basically, I think his success in STL made him special to the organization, and the organization didn't think so.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: May 10, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5670504)
That was what bothered Lynn, IIRC. He felt he earned a multi-year contract and — despite his outward hardarse "I just work here" sourpussery — seemed genuinely hurt that the Cardinals didn't make any extension offers during the season. Basically, I think his success in STL made him special to the organization, and the organization didn't think so.


I'm a Lynn fan and thought that a 3 year 45 mil offer was reasonable... I don't know if they made that offer at all... but anything more would have been idiotic when you factor in the fact that the team already have Carlos Martinez, Wacha, Reyes returning, Weaver showing massive promise, Wainwright having emeritus status... add in that Flaherty is clearly MLB ready and you already had a crowded rotation (and that isn't even counting the second tier pitchers who are knocking on the door-this does include one lost prospect Alcantara in a trade though)

Lynn projected to be about a 100-110 era+ pitcher. That has value of course, but at 17mil+ per year, when you have a host of minimum wage guys potentially able to do the same or close to it, then it makes sense to play the field...if even one of the prospects pan out at that level, you have more money for other jobs..


Of course the fact that they spent some of that money on a non-entity, and a non-necessity like Holland is a different story on their management technique. (and also on Mikolas which is appearing to be one of the best free agent signings of the season)
   11. dejarouehg Posted: May 11, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5670607)
I must have lost my invitation to this pity party, or do you need to make >8 figures to merit an invite?
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: May 11, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5670615)

He really seems to be spinning this like he received NO offer from STL. The QO was $17.4M. That ain't nothing - even in today's game. I get that they want more years, but it was a legit offer.
Given what he signed for, it seems possible that the Cardinals gave him the best offer of any team.
   13. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 11, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5670617)
He should have been loyal and accepted the qualifying offer.

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