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Saturday, August 23, 2008

Hoffman says stats on saves/wins are just fine

And I’m off to the Hoffmann–La Roche plant in Nutley to pick up some mind tooling Valerian roots.

What if there were a way to reward the starter in that situation instead? What if the scoring rules were changed so that, say, if a starter leaves after seven innings with a lead, the bullpen blows it, but the team regains the lead for good in its next at-bat, the official scorer has the discretion to award the win to the starter?

Baseball’s all-time saves leader did not think much of the idea.

“I think it’s trying to reinvent the wheel as far as statistics are concerned,” Padres closer Trevor Hoffman said. “It’s not the way statistics have been run thus far.”

Repoz Posted: August 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM | 4 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: August 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2913747)
"Relief pitcher is in favor of a rule that favors relief pitchers"

   2. PS is probably something something Posted: August 23, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#2913853)
Yup, keep the inherited runners away from me, I want me some saves!
   3. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2914088)
How about the situation where the starting pitcher gives up a bunch of runs (say 5 in 5 IP) and leaves trailing but the offense comes back to take the lead while the pen throws 2 scoreless innings but then a reliever gives up a run then the offense hits a 2-run jack but then some random AAAA reliever comes in and blows the game, we give out a loss to the starter, two relievers, 5 holds, 2 wins to the offense and 5 game-winning RBI?

I'm with Hoffman here. You want to change the win definition in some meaningful and useful way, that's worth discussing. You want to do it in a manner to "punish" bullpens (who are probably holding more leads for the starter than the starter would be able to do himself) is stupid. Rewarding starters who "pitch well" was why the Devil created the quality start stat.

And you can write it off to relief pitcher selfishness if you want, but something tells me Hoffman's career 54-66 record never earned him one penny and won't play a part in his HoF case. (And no, he wouldn't be the first pitcher with a losing record to make the HoF -- Sutter was 68-71 and Fingers was 114-118. And technically Satchel Paige was 28-31 but I'll guess he was better than 3 games over 500 in the Negro Leagues. :-)
   4. greenback understands the nyt's effect on man Posted: August 23, 2008 at 09:04 PM (#2914099)
For all of the problem with WPA and LI, I'm looking forward to the day when those stats are prominent enough to motivate decision-making the way the Win and Save stats do.

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