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Sunday, August 10, 2014
The sports network has suspended host Max Kellerman after he admitted Monday on ESPN-LA Radio show Mason & Ireland that he hit his then-girlfriend, Erin, several years ago. Max and Erin have now been married for 20 years.
“Max Kellerman will return to ESPNLA Radio and SportsNation on Thursday,” ESPN said in a statement released to The Hollywood Reporter.
Max explained in the story that he and Erin were at a college party and were drunk at the time. Max said that Erin slapped him, and so he slapped her back.
Wait, what? Max has been married to Erin for 20 years but “he hit his then-girlfriend ... several years ago?”
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1. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 10, 2014 at 09:04 AM (#4767947)At that point, ESPN has to suspend him even though they know they will look ridiculous, because they have to let the other on-air talent know that there will be consequences to disregarding their edicts.
Obviously this is speculation, but its based on a lot of experience in this kind of milieu.
It makes sense....and makes me happy yet again that I work at a small company despite the downsides and pitfalls that entails.
How is this "domestic abuse"?
Because two people in a relationship were physically violent to each other.
But, she hit him first. If anyone was guilty, it would seem to be her.
But, in any case, such a trivial incident really shouldn't be classified as criminal. If two drunk buddies got in a wrestling match, we wouldn't call it assault.
There's no villain here. No crime was committed. A drunk couple acted dumb.
Hey, I didn't mention it :-)
They're both guilty. Unless her slap let him to reasonably believe that his life was in danger, hitting her was unjustified.
Who here classified it as criminal? It was classified as abuse.
Yeah, slapping your boyfriend/girlfriend is just like "buddies getting in a wrestling match". Fantastic analogy.
"Domestic abuse" is a legal term. It sure sounds criminal.
And it's not abuse either.
Yeah, slapping your boyfriend/girlfriend is just like "buddies getting in a wrestling match". Fantastic analogy.
You're right, it's much less dangerous. There's zero chance of anyone getting hurt from an open hand slap.
That there is a taboo on spousal abuse is a great thing, and a tangible sign of progress over the last 100 years.
So, where does Erin work?
(The alternate explanation that he was suspended not for the mutual slap but for talking about it is not a mitigating factor; that makes it even more obvious that it's about the PC police.)
That's the standard for killing in self defense, dumbass.
Agreed, but this isn't spousal abuse. Calling this triviality "spousal abuse" trivializes the term. Just like branding a 17 y.o. who has sex with a 16 y.o. a "sex offender" or calling a simple spanking "child abuse". Language matters.
That's the standard for killing in self defense, dumbass.
I laughed. Can't believe I missed that part.
Tell me, how many times do you have to slap your wife for it to be spousal abuse?
His wife (then girlfriend) hit him first. So, if anyone was guilty it was her.
If the other person hits you first, and you don't respond disproportionately, you haven't done anything wrong.
Uh, no.
If you hit someone, and they hit you back, you have no legal case for assault, either criminal or civil, unless they escalate the violence.
I don't care if the woman tried to literally kill the man, if he puts one finger on her in self defense, it's his effin fault.
I hope this is sarcasm.
Agree with this, ESPN's action is pure PR. Of course this suspension will probably backfire and bring MORE attention to their issues of treating women badly.
Matthew 5:39 according to snapper:
so espn must have moved to new jersey................
Ignoring the story and the PC police fight, I'm guessing from this statement you've never had the #### slapped out of you.
I guess we could quibble about types of slaps, but it's certainly possible to hurt someone good when you attempt to slap them.
By the letter I'm sure you're correct, but when was the last time the guy who was hit first got convicted? Barring the case where he goes overboard stomps the guy nearly to death.
Matthew 5:39 according to snapper:
So, everyone who doesn't live up the the ideal standard should lose his job? (In any case, Matthew 5:39 has never been read to mean self-defense is not allowed.)
Would it have been better if he handed slapped his girlfriend back? Sure. That's the bigger thing to do. But he shouldn't be villainized for a very normal response to getting hit.
I guess we could quibble about types of slaps, but it's certainly possible to hurt someone good when you attempt to slap them.
No, never. I've never been beat up in my life. Only in three fights, only one since middle school.
Granted, but I'm assuming these were not vicious blows, since the couple invoved have since been married for 20 years.
Sorry I didn't display enough coverage to submit the 58th Mets-related post of the week, Lassus.
Who lost his job here?
But yes, it's a lesson you should have learned a long time ago. Don't hit women.
Insofar as I can make any sense of that characterization, it seems that ESPN will suspend people who mention a topic that has been all over the sports news, which is something they purportedly cover. In that case, I agree with Hombre and with DMN, that's preposterous.
Now if somebody were to go on the air and say "What's so bad about Ray Rice, me and the wife used to slap each other around all the time, har har," that's a different story: though I stress that I have no indication Kellerman said anything like that. He may have been talking about a long-past problem in reflective and compassionate terms.
I imagine this is the case actually. Kellerman is a pretty thoughtful guy.
I suspect ESPN issued a blanket policy for all its on-air personnel to stay away from domestic violence subjects, which would seem to a significant problem for a media company. OTOH, due to the number of morons and meatheads the network employs in that capacity, individuals who can't be trusted to deliver a thoughtful approach on the subject, it wouldn't be the dumbest policy decision ever.
I think I know a way for ESPN to deal with their concerns about people saying dumb things.
Whoa, whoa whoa. They don't want to eliminate all dumb things being said. You're threatening their business model with those kinds of comments.
Edit: And Skip Bayless's career!
Hire more concussion-addled NFL veterans who can barely manage to mumble and drool in the general direction of the camera?
you've got that right, especially with the retaliatory strike.
I expected some talk about Kellerman's friendliness to sabermetrics or other recent media suspensions (LeBatard and WEEI's Kirk Minihane.) You guys are disappointing me.
Hilarious, Lassus, you realize this is the site that repoz is an ordained king here and only spits political and steroid #### out of his mailbox because it pays Jim Furtado's bills.
There is more baseball content on the Huffington Post than there is here.
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