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Saturday, June 28, 2014

Holmes: Tigers’ radio team makes it difficult to tune in

Go, Jim & Dan
Go, Jim & Dan
Go, Jim & Dan…Please!

I am this close…(imagine thumb and forefinger about an inch apart)…from taking a baseball bat to my car radio.

I’ve been in my car a lot recently and it’s given me the opportunity to listen to Detroit Tigers’ games on the radio. As you’ll learn, I mean “opportunity” as in: we have an “opportunity” to get a root canal. It’s like someone’s invading a hole in my head and inflicting pain.

That’s what it’s like to listen to the Detroit radio broadcast team of Dan Dickerson and Jim Price. It’s brutal.

...If I could have a three wishes, I’d use two of them in the typical way (revenge against my enemies and all-encompassing wealth and power), but the third, the third wish, I’d use that to give Dan Dickerson the gift of description. He really has no idea how to describe something in an explicit way, which is really THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF HIS JOB. he’s like pone of those annoying friends who starts conversations in the middle of a story and expects us to understand what the hell he’s talking about.

There’s a drive and he dives and it’s caught out there deep on the warning track. what a play!

WHERE was that drive and WHO hit it? And WHO caught it WHERE? And HOW many guys were on base?!? And what’s the score?

[Driving off the road into a ditch]

Repoz Posted: June 28, 2014 at 07:43 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: June 28, 2014 at 09:31 AM (#4737915)
Pone.

He ought to listen to Chip Caray and Joe Simpson.
   2. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: June 28, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4737916)
Dickerson yells a little too much for my taste, and he sometimes takes way too long to reset the scene after a play--where the runners are and such. But I don't think I've never heard him describing a play without telling WHERE and WHO.

Jim Price, I believe, is catering to college kids who might want to take a drink every time he says "the art of pitching."
   3. DA Baracus Posted: June 28, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4737918)
Pone.

He ought to listen to Chip Caray and Joe Simpson.


Caray is unlistenable but the replacements for Joe having me hoping he is back soon. Yesterday Tom Hart discussed Kimbrel's curveball, which he doesn't throw. Paul Byrd was excited to see Gavin Floyd pitch because "he's a pitcher."
   4. John Northey Posted: June 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4737920)
I think all broadcasters should have to listen to Vin Scully and then write a paper on what makes him effective (or do a speech on it) before getting hired. There are others who they could also put on that list, but he is the first that comes to mind. Learn from the master, and if they cannot figure out why he is the master then hire someone else.
   5. base ball chick Posted: June 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4737927)
jim and dan sound like the astros ex-announcers under the ed wade regime (along with the skeleton of the senile milo hamilton)

the teams obviously do not want anyone who is anything like vin scully, because they hire radio guys who are pretty much his exact opposite. the point is to never shut up, to talk about stuff the sponsors want said, to gossip, and have some ex-player step up and throw some baseball words around. oh yeah - and to criticize any player who is getting paid the minute he isn't hitting like barry lamar bonds. (see marty brennaman)

i have got to where i hardly bother to listen to XM or gameday any more, because the broadcasters are almost all just like that.

you go with what brings in $$$ and i guess that is what brings in $$$ - and teams are not interested in fans any more, just customers.

i often wonder just how many people ARE listening to the radio broadcasts. a couple of years ago, the astros went from KTRH (one of those right wing stations) which has a signal so powerful you can easily pick it up for 90 - 100 miles outside of houston, to 790, which you can't always pick up very well IN houston and you can't get even in spring or conroe. so they don't care. unless they brought it back this year, they don't even have an after games broadcast call in show any more - last time i tried to find it, no luck, and the time before that, there weren't real too many callers, so the host had to keep talking and replaying events of the game.

i can't really judge the astros tv broadcasts, seeing as how i can't see them, but the old FSSW ones were great with brown and deshaeis.

sigh

i gotta go mow the lawn so kidz will have something they gotta get offn
   6. fra paolo Posted: June 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4737935)
I like Dickerson and Price. They are not the best radio team out there (Charlie Slowes and Dave Jageler are), but they only irritate me during blow-outs, when they more or less give up on anything but providing the most basic information.
   7. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4737950)
They don't bother me. Except when the PBP guy's voice goes up an octave and a few decibels or when the other sounds like he's talking with food in his mouth.
   8. TJ Posted: June 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4738002)
Price and Dickerson are Ok. They may be homers, but not real obnoxious ones, and they compliment opposing players when they do something well. Best part about Dickerson and Price is listening to them try to criticize a Tiger without being dickish about it. It's usually something like, "Avila, well, he's worked hard to be a good catcher, and he's made some good plays, but that, er, well, that decision wasn't the best he could have made..."

And yes, Price's "the art of pitching" as a drinking game would have you sloshed by the 4th inning...
   9. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 28, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4738079)
I like that Price puts little effort into cloaking his disdain for certain Tigers players. Phil Coke is a current example. Delmon Young also comes to mind.
   10. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: June 28, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4738389)
Back when XM Satellite Radio started MLB coverage in 2005 I gobbled it up like a knucklehead. Their morning show was hosted by Drew Storen's father, Mark Patrick, who had a usually-daily feature of a particular call from the previous day's Tigers game entitled "Price-less Call of the Game". It featured Jim Price with his typically understated take on a Tigers home run or other great play. So these observations are not new nor lost on the masses. I'm afraid we're stuck with them as there are only 30 teams and are very likely more than 30 applicants for the job in an industry rife with nepotism and favoritism.
   11. winnipegwhip Posted: June 28, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4738413)
As a Yankee fan I have no right to enter this conversation on a critical basis.
   12. robinred Posted: June 28, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4738420)
I have MLB Audio and listen to a lot of games. I like Slowes and Jagler (Nats) and Nadel and Hicks (Rangers). Price and Dickerson are not awful if you have dealt with the Ted Leitner experience extensively, as I have. As a Reds fan, I would rather have Price and Dickerson than the Reds' guys.
   13. Brian Posted: June 28, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4738453)
yep #11, Sterling & Waldman. Case closed, game over.
   14. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: June 28, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4738536)
Reds fan here. Both radio and tv broadcasts are unbearable. Multiple Brennaman, Brantley, Kelch. Awful. The only way to watch is with the sound turned off, or follow along on gamecast
   15. SteveM. Posted: June 29, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4738657)
People need to listen to Hawk Harrelson to know how lucky they are he isn't their team's announce.
   16. Red Menace Posted: June 29, 2014 at 02:01 AM (#4738665)
I've been enjoying the out or market feeds via MLB audio. San Fran's radio team is superb.
   17. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 29, 2014 at 02:16 AM (#4738666)
Arizona's team of Schulte and Candiotti is top notch.
   18. silhouetted by the sea Posted: June 29, 2014 at 02:34 AM (#4738667)
The Reds TV announcers don't even bother with the game. They usually don't mention who is at bat till about the 4th or 5th pitch, although they will sometimes occasionally mention the count. They seem to be much more interested in what the menu was last night. The thing that bugs me the most at the moment is that everytime Billy Hamilton comes up they tell us how many HRs and RBIs he has but I don't remember the last time they mentioned his OBP,
   19. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 29, 2014 at 03:12 AM (#4738674)
Reds fan here. Both radio and tv broadcasts are unbearable. Multiple Brennaman, Brantley, Kelch. Awful. The only way to watch is with the sound turned off, or follow along on gamecast


I don't get the Reds TV broadcasters, but as far as radio goes I agree. I'm a Reds fan living in Seattle, so I get the mlb.com radio package to listen to the games live, but half the time I end up listening to the announcers of whomever the Reds are playing (especially when they're on the west coast).
   20. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 29, 2014 at 06:25 AM (#4738679)
Dickerson and Price are average, not bad. But we can forgive Tigers fans for having high standards.

(If not for those extremely high standards, we might still have Rick Rizzs instead of Dickerson. Better, worse, or the same?)
   21. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 29, 2014 at 07:28 AM (#4738689)
Arizona's team of Schulte and Candiotti is top notch.

They lose points for constantly referring to the first-baseman as "Goldy".
   22. Lassus Posted: June 29, 2014 at 09:34 AM (#4738707)
People need to listen to Hawk Harrelson to know how lucky they are he isn't their team's announcer.

I'll be that guy. Hawk's definitely very bad, but I don't think he's the worst. I'd put him in the bottom 10-15%. Two radio guys per team, 60 guys total, I think it's fair to say there are 6-8 guys I'd want to listen to less than Hawk. As someone says above, the Yankees take care of two of those spots in a walk, then there's the Brennamans, etc.
   23. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4738737)
I like Dan Dickerson a lot. Jim Price isn't great, but he isn't bad enough to ruin the broadcast or anything.
   24. Sweatpants Posted: June 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4738813)
Once upon a time, ESPN assigned the team of Chris Berman and Ray Knight to the NLDS. It wasn't pretty.
   25. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 29, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4739121)

WHERE was that drive and WHO hit it? And WHO caught it WHERE? And HOW many guys were on base?!? And what’s the score?

What he's describing sounds bad, but some of this seems petty (or maybe I'm being petty). Do you need the score, batter's name, and base-out situation repeated on every play or pitch? If you've been listening, you should know who the batter is and how many guys are on base.

Yes, repeat the score periodically for people who just tuned in, particularly on the radio, but you don't need it on every play.

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