Well...that wraps that up. Now, who’s he gonna pitch for!?

Either that or he is preparing to run for public office.

So,

Clemens:McNamee :: Britney Spears:Justin Timberlake?

’I believe my personal life has nothing to do with the accusations of steroid and HGH use,’’ he said in the statement.

While this is undeniably true, he himself chose to wrap the accusations up with his personal life by filing the defamation suit. As such, and given that my hatred of Clemens is only outweighed by my hatred of Chris Simms (funny how these things work), and even though a part of me would like to see him "exonerated" just to shut up the Union (most of whom I like much more than Clemens), a greater (at least larger) part of me says "Neener neener, you ############."

Clemens makes Ted Bundy look candid.

Everyone quiet. Mike Lupica has spoken:

Rusty Hardin, the Isiah of lawyers, still wants what's happening to Roger Clemens to be the media's fault and not his fault.
Or his client's.

Hardin wants people to think The News is out to get Roger, and it's one more thing, out of like a thousand things, that Hardin has gotten wrong.

We're not after Clemens, just the story.

And when you sue the way Clemens sued Brian McNamee, when you say your character and reputation have been defamed, then you better know your character and reputation become the story as much as the baseball drugs McNamee accused you of taking.

Clemens makes Ted Bundy look candid.


Ahh, good. Comparing somebody who might have taken drugs to improve his performance in a game, and who like many pro athletes (and non athletes) might have been sexually promiscuous, to a serial killer. Good sense of proportion. You've been studying under Kevin, I take it.

Considering Clemens's preference for children, he reminds me more of John Wayne Gacy.

Considering the way he and his teammates choked in the past, I'd have gone with the Boston Strangler.

Hey, the comparison was just to Ted Bundy's candidness, not his alleged criminal deeds.

Which is unfair. Ted Bundy held out a long time, under much more pressure than Clemens has had, before confessing anything at all.

‘’I have already made clear that I did not use them.’’

Well, at least we finally have that out of the way.

"Ahh, good. Comparing somebody who might have taken drugs to improve his performance in a game, and who like many pro athletes (and non athletes) might have been sexually promiscuous, to a serial killer. Good sense of proportion. You've been studying under Kevin, I take it."

How long before Clemens carves a swastika into his forehead?

Ted Bundy held out a long time, under much more pressure than Clemens has had, before confessing anything at all.

Maybe Roger will jump out of the second story window at the courthouse.

Who writes the public opolgies for Clemens? Gary Condit or Pete Rose?
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I think #1 is spot-on. This is his Oprah moment; he apologizes; claims he may have caused some pain in his marriage; and moves on. That is the American way, for the 21st century. The voters love the flawed character who has seen the error of their ways.

My gosh people, a pro athlete with a problem of promiscuity. And other than his wife, he did he harm? At least he didn't leave a bunch of fatherless little Clemens out there (I assume, since we haven't heard of any yet), which would have been the real lasting negative aspect.

Where can we sign the petition for Clemens to go into the HOF(If he makes the hall...) with a Red Sox cap? If he used roids as a Yankee, it didn't really help that much.

I can't stand these apologies. "I'm sorry for making mistakes... My mistake wasn't taking PEDS or cheating on my wife... but I'm sorry for something else." If Clemens wants to put this all behind him (pun intended), he should just honestly own up to what he did. Heck, look at how the media is fawning all over Pettite (who had long denied using PEDs, then finally owned up to it).

At least he didn't leave a bunch of fatherless little Clemens out there (I assume, since we haven't heard of any yet), which would have been the real lasting negative aspect.

You mean Klemens out there.

Edit: wait a second:

How long before Clemens carves a swastika into his forehead?

Are we sure he was referencing strikeouts with the k-for-kids things?

I think Clemens should go to the Hall with a papal mitre on his head. To some, it will be appropriate; to others, just deliciously ironic.

I'd love to accept your apology Clemens, but I can't when you continue telling so many lies.

Whoever it was that called this guy the Texas Con Man all those years ago sure had him pegged.

If Clemens wants to put this all behind him (pun intended), he should just honestly own up to what he did. Heck, look at how the media is fawning all over Pettite (who had long denied using PEDs, then finally owned up to it).

I think it's too late at this point.

For the longest time what we heard about Pete Rose was "if only he'd admit he bet on baseball, then we can move past it, and he can get reinstated, etc." Eventually, yeah, he admitted it - but by then it was too late. He lost the people who'd believed him all those years (or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt); and he failed to win people over with his delayed contrition.

I honestly don't know at which point the switch flipped on Rose - from "if only he'd admit it he could be forgiven" to "too little too late, pal" - but I suspect it was pretty early on. I think in his case, a lot of the people saying "if only he would admit it" really meant "if only he had admitted it back when he got caught". The more/longer he denied it, the deeper the hole he dug, to the point where his only recourse would be to turn back time.

I admit it's possible Clemens could be innocent of the steroid accusations; but assuming he used, he's been digging a lot faster than I recall Rose ever doing. Were he to admit it now, who would support him? Anyone loyal to him throughout his denials would turn away after having trusted him; any of his detractors would stick with "I told you so". The only people he might gain are those few who have not formed an opinion yet, but even those wouldn't be impressed by his one step of honesty on a long trail of lies. I seriously think that, were he to admit it now, it would do him very little good.

Anyone loyal to him throughout his denials would turn away after having trusted him

Well, I can think of a few Primates who would probably find a way to stand by their man, but other than that I think you're right. It's too late for a steroids mea culpa now.

Were he to admit it now, who would support him? Anyone loyal to him throughout his denials would turn away after having trusted him;

No, those who support him will most likely continue to support him. If he ever admits to using steroids, or it's proven that he used steroids, the new defense would be "He didn't benefit from them". We'll have the stat heads who tend to support steroid cheats argue that his teams defense or his splitfinger was the real reason for his success, while all of the steroids and HGH was just a big fat placebo.

I think it's too late at this point.

For the longest time what we heard about Pete Rose was "if only he'd admit he bet on baseball, then we can move past it, and he can get reinstated, etc." Eventually, yeah, he admitted it - but by then it was too late. He lost the people who'd believed him all those years (or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt); and he failed to win people over with his delayed contrition.


Nah - the problem Pete had was that the admission of guilt was just another angle, in that case to sell books. If Roger calls a press conference, admits his guilt without wearing a "Hit King" hat or a visor pimping a casino, and is truly contrite, he'll be forgiven.

28: bingo.

what drove me insane in the rose mess was how many people wanted to keep giving the guy a break. thank god he wrote that egregious book. of course, even then there were those who were willing to look the other way, but they've slid into a small minority. i hope.

I think #1 is spot-on. This is his Oprah moment; he apologizes; claims he may have caused some pain in his marriage; and moves on. That is the American way, for the 21st century. The voters love the flawed character who has seen the error of their ways.

Yeah, except he's not really apologizing because he's not actually admitting what he did wrong. What Americans really want, as much as an apology, are all the sordid details. Now, I don't care because I don't think he owes me an apology. But then again, I never liked him in the first place.

You mean Klemens out there.

He should have his Ks taken away.

He denies having an affair, using steroids, and using HGH, but apologizes to the public and his family?

I'm starting to wonder just how badly he might've been addicted to those greenies.

For the longest time what we heard about Pete Rose was "if only he'd admit he bet on baseball, then we can move past it, and he can get reinstated, etc." Eventually, yeah, he admitted it - but by then it was too late. He lost the people who'd believed him all those years (or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt)

That's because these people realized that Rose had played them for fools, to the point where they ignored a mountain of evidence in favor of his empty proclamations of innocence. There was plenty of evidence on Rose; that's not the case for Clemens.

No, those who support him will most likely continue to support him. If he ever admits to using steroids, or it's proven that he used steroids, the new defense would be "He didn't benefit from them".

The "new" defense?

That's one of the biggest reasons why I don't care who used steroids in the first place; I've stated that plenty of times. It's pretty clear to me, from everything we know at this point, that steroids don't have a significant effect on baseball performance.

He denies having an affair, using steroids, and using HGH, but apologizes to the public and his family?

I'm starting to wonder just how badly he might've been addicted to those greenies.

He didn't deny having an affair (or affairs).

He didn't deny having an affair (or affairs).

Sure he did. This was the the quote from the NYDN a week ago:

Contacted by the Daily News Sunday through his lawyer Rusty Hardin, Clemens confirmed a long-term relationship but denied that it was of a sexual nature.

"He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her," Hardin said. "He's considered her a close family friend. ... He has never had a sexual relationship with her."

Ray's next post ought to be interesting.

he denied having an affair with mccready. he's been linked to another 2-3 women, and i'm guessing he's apologizing for them.

He didn't deny having an affair (or affairs).

Sure he did. This was the the quote from the NYDN a week ago:

Contacted by the Daily News Sunday through his lawyer Rusty Hardin, Clemens confirmed a long-term relationship but denied that it was of a sexual nature.

"He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her," Hardin said. "He's considered her a close family friend. ... He has never had a sexual relationship with her."

Yes, I mentioned this in my post #77 of the other thread. But that quote doesn't deny having an affair; it denies having a specific affair, with McCready, insofar as there was a sexual relationship.

As I said in the other thread, it appears to me that Clemens, through Hardin, may have lied on this point (since it does appear that Clemens did have an affair with McCready), assuming Hardin did not misspeak. But this does not negate my post #35, which is 100% accurate: Clemens didn't say "I never had an affair."

Ray Ray Ray. You aren't in front of any judges. We're all just regular folk here. Playing "lawyer" to the extent that you just did is pathetic. But, I can't say I'm surprised.

That's some mighty questionable reasoning there, Ray. Denying having a specific affair is still denying having an affair. Adding qualifications to your post after the fact that your intent was that Clemens has never explicitly said "I never had an affair" is nothing but the worst sort of word games. Clemens explicitly denied having an affair.

Now, does this mean that he did have an affair? No. But it does mean that he denied having an affair, which is in direct opposition to the reasonable reading of your post.

Clemens explicitly denied having an affair.

No. Clemens did not deny having an affair. He denied having a specific affair. I really don't see what's so hard about this. Clemens (through Hardin) only denied having the specific affair that they asked him about.

And I've already said that, from what we know, it looks like he lied in denying having a sexual relationship with McCready (*). So I really don't see why you think I won't concede something negative with respect to him.

(*) I conclude from what we know that there was a sexual relationship with McCready. Of course, it would help if she would say something clear about it, instead of the retarded "I cannot refute" verbiage.

No. Clemens did not deny having an affair. He denied having a specific affair. I really don't see what's so hard about this.

I hear you. But I'm a lawyer.

The funny part of this for me is that Clemens seems to be of the mind that "hey, I was banging a 15-year-old, I mean when she turned 18... whatever... maybe other broads... but STEROIDS? Hell no!"

what 38 said.

i'm not on clemens side or anything. he's a scary sort of blustery weasel. but his weird statement this weekend is to the effect that 'i might have been running around with some chicks during my playing days and i'm sorry for that but i didn't take steroids and i didn't bang a 15-yr-old.'
mcready's mealymouthed confirmation is her way of mining the controversy for whatever publicity it will inject (get it?!?) into her declining career. she won't be as much of a tabloid commodity if she outright denies it.

So, the "moral" is, the next time Clemens is asked if he had an affair, he has to be asked twelve different ways, inside, outside, upside down, right side up, this side up, post no bills, hock the chynek, sink the bismark, jesus h christ.

i'm not on clemens side or anything. he's a scary sort of blustery weasel. but his weird statement this weekend is to the effect that 'i might have been running around with some chicks during my playing days and i'm sorry for that but i didn't take steroids and i didn't bang a 15-yr-old.'

Well, if he had affairs with women over the age of 18 and he didn't use steroids, I'm not sure what else he could say. Is he supposed to admit to steroid use when it's not true because that's a lesser crime compared to having affairs?

So, the "moral" is, the next time Clemens is asked if he had an affair, he has to be asked twelve different ways, inside, outside, upside down, right side up, this side up, post no bills, hock the chynek, sink the bismark, jesus h christ.

No. The moral is that he was never asked if he'd ever had an affair, Crazy Joe. He was asked if he had an affair with McCready. Sheesh. Here:

Contacted by the Daily News Sunday through his lawyer Rusty Hardin, Clemens confirmed a long-term relationship but denied that it was of a sexual nature.

"He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her," Hardin said. "He's considered her a close family friend. ... He has never had a sexual relationship with her."

Hardin said the Rocket's wife, Debbie, knew McCready and that the singer had traveled on his plane.

That comment from Hardin has nothing at all to do with any woman other than McCready.

He banged the 15 year old. Get over it. No one over the age of 12 believes otherwise. Anyone who says they believe otherwise is a liar. This isn't Elvis asking Priscilla's folks if he can take her to Germany. This is Roger Clemens, moron, having the hots for a 15 year old, and acting on it.

Clemens is the moron, not you, Ray. You're just a weasel-like lawyer. ;-)

ray, he's saying pretty much what he should say based on his previous assertions and the questions he's been asked. i'm just pointing out how odd these statements sound. the more he gets on his hind legs and barks the more he sounds like a dog. he might win the courtroom battle, who knows, but in the court of public opinion, its over, and i'm sure winning that battle was on his mind when he took up such a public stance.
and really, i'm not sure i care much anymore.

HOUSTON -- A federal judge ruled Roger Clemens can keep his lawyer in the defamation lawsuit against his former trainer, who accused the pitcher of using performance-enhancing drugs.

U.S. District Judge Keith P. Ellison ruled Tuesday that since McNamee is not a former client of Hardin, he has no standing to ask for his disqualification. Only Pettitte would be able to make such a challenge and he has chosen not to at this time, Ellison wrote in a 13-page order.