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Tuesday, July 03, 2012

HOVG Heroes: Sam Fuld on Brett Butler

Sam/Butler: Air one out…

If you put a gun to my head and asked me if I thought Brett Butler deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, I’d have to admit that he probably falls a bit short.

...I’ve only written fan mail to two people in my life. One was to John Glenn, the astronaut-turned-U.S. Senator whose journey on the Friendship 7 was depicted in the movie “The Right Stuff”. I was fascinated by the movie and specifically by the scene that included “fireflies” floating in outer space outside of Glenn’s shuttle. I wrote Mr. Glenn to ask about the fireflies and a couple of weeks later received a response in the form of a pamphlet full of information on space camp.  Bummer. I had too much baseball to play to go away to space camp.

The other letter was to Brett Butler.

...Butler never won a Gold Glove, but at least part of that was due to the strange bias shown toward great hitters when awarding Gold Gloves. We all know that quantifying defense is a challenge, especially when measuring anyone who played in the 20th Century, but most major metrics consider him an above average defender. Bill James gave him a B+ in his Win Shares book, and Matt Souders’ Pythagorean Comparative Analysis (PCA) has Butler as one of the top 20 defensive centerfielders of all time. And if you like simpler statistics, Butler is seventh all-time in putouts by centerfielders and 13th among all outfielders.

Repoz Posted: July 03, 2012 at 07:01 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ShoeGrit Posted: July 03, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4171932)
Great post.

Butler has been so maligned for his caught stealings that he has probably become underrated in some circles. Always one of my favorite players.

   2. chisoxcollector Posted: July 03, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4171937)
Sam Fuld is awesome. This post perfectly illustrates that you can genuinely love baseball AND use "advanced" stats... they aren't mutually exclusive. It also shows that you don't have to live in your mother's basement to use advanced stats.

This should be required reading for the Murray Chasses of the world.
   3. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: July 03, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4171977)
"The Right Stuff" is my all-time favorite movie, but it doesn't get a lot of attention. I love hearing from other fans.
   4. Cabbage Posted: July 03, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4172036)
"The Right Stuff" is my all-time favorite movie, but it doesn't get a lot of attention. I love hearing from other fans.

I really enjoy that movie, and Tom Wolfe's books generally. The final sendoff to Gordo Cooper -- "one brief shining moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen" -- was all I could think about when Kerry Wood retired.
   5. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: July 03, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4172052)
Love me some Sam Fuld. Really interesting post.
   6. Perry Posted: July 03, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4172074)
I thought it was funny that Fuld refers to Butler as a CF "for the Indians, Giants, and Dodgers," because I always think of him as a Brave. Then I looked him up and was astonished to find he only played 3 seasons with the Braves, and only 1 as a full-timer. I would have sworn he played half his career with the Braves. A mind is a terrible thing to lose.
   7. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: July 03, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4172129)
I would have sworn he played half his career with the Braves.


Because of TBS, the Braves were on television for almost every game, nationwide, years before any other team could boast of it. And because Atlanta isn't an extremely large market, the approach was more homey and personal, IMHO. You felt you really got to know the players (and announcers), and it seems that they werent as guarded. It's probably just me looking back with rose colored glasses, but I think I had a closer connection to the Braves when they were on TBS than any other baseball team.
   8. bjhanke Posted: July 03, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4172205)
Butler, whom I loved to watch, has almost no chance at the Hall because he has very little black ink, even in run scoring and OBP numbers. The problem, of course, is that he had almost no power, and he wasn't the runs scored force that, say, Billy Hamilton was, nor was he the absolute best CF of his league and time, like Lloyd Waner. He was, almost certainly, the best bunter of his time. And, he was still able to play CF when he was 40 years old, rather than spending the last 5 years of his career as a DH.

Butler left the Braves as part of one of their worst trades ever. Joe Torre had brought Bob Gibson on board as pitching coach. Gibson, of course, knew plenty about pitching, but he thought that the way to succeed was the way he had succeeded - high hard fastballs and a very hard slider. He got enamored of an Indians pitcher named Len Barker, whose arm didn't have a lot left in it, and the trade was, essentially, Brook Jacoby AND Butler for Barker. A truly terrible trade. It was actually through comments on that trade that I became aware of Butler, so it's possible that the reason you remember him as a Brave so strongly is that you heard a lot about the trade after Barker failed and Jacoby and Butler succeeded.

- Brock Hanke
   9. Perry Posted: July 03, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4172235)
Brock, I think charityslave put his finger on it, it was the TBS factor. Butler played for the Braves in 1981-3, when I was a Cardinals fan who had moved to Austin TX for grad school. I had no interest in the Astros or Rangers and they weren't on TV much anyway, there was no internet and little baseball on ESPN. I could pull in KMOX radio most nights for my Cards fix, but the only TV baseball other than GOTW was the Braves. Every. Single. Day.
   10. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: July 03, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4172248)
You felt you really got to know the players (and announcers), and it seems that they werent as guarded.


I was weirdly attached to those Braves teams, especially when I was really young and they were really bad. I wasn't even a Braves fan, you know? I just loved baseball so much, and they were the only baseball on the tube a lot of the time. I remember once when Ron Gant fouled a ball off the TBS sign and the announcer made some crack about his getting traded. I was too young to understand it was a joke and I ran crying to my dad. Ron Gant! The Braves! Seriously. I think I was seven.
   11. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: July 03, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4172254)
Did Sam Fuld retire from playing baseball to become a writer? Just looked at bb-ref and he hasn't played at all this year, majors or minors, after having over 300 ABs last year.
   12. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 03, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4172264)
Fuld injured his wrist in spring training. I believe he's due to start a rehab assignment very soon.
   13. The District Attorney Posted: July 03, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4172269)
Did Sam Fuld retire from playing baseball to become a writer?
If he did, I hope Jesus Melendez's site isn't the height of his ambition...
   14. tjm1 Posted: July 03, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4172372)
OK - who's a better outfielder/columnist: Fuld or Doug Glanville? I'm probably going to go with Glanville, but this was a really well-written, interesting article.
   15. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: July 03, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4172429)
Glanville brings it on every single piece and I think is among the best writers on baseball at this time. If Fuld keeps it up at a high level for 3 or so more years, I think we can start comparing him with Glanville. Sounds like a HoF discussion, doesn't it?
   16. bjhanke Posted: July 03, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4172472)
Perry - You are, very likely, correct. I was trying to speculate on what ELSE might have caused a Braves' fan to magnify Butler's time there. - Brock
   17. Jesus Melendez Posted: July 03, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4172553)
Braves fans...you might find this "HOVG Heroes" submission noteworthy as well.

HOVG Heroes: Josh Caray on Skip Caray
   18. Walt Davis Posted: July 03, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4172573)
Fuld injured his wrist in spring training.

Yet he's writing! Slacker!
   19. Sunday silence Posted: July 03, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4172640)
John Glenn was very nice when I met him. He seemed quite gracious.

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