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OTP 2018 June 18: How Life Imitates the Congressional Baseball Game

“This game is a situation of which, you’re a product of your political success, so if you have a good political year, you have a good recruiting year for this game.” So said former Rep. David Bonior, D-Mich., many years ago about the Congressional Baseball Game and the teams each party gets to field.

Washington is host to the 2018 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, known among fans as the midsummer classic. But Capitol Hill has staged its own midsummer classic every year for more than five decades, the Congressional Baseball Game.

 

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:15 AM | 1775 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1201. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:55 AM (#5697634)
He wasn't a Trumpkin. Wasn't a NeverTrumper either, but I suppose I wouldn't call him a Trumpkin.
Uh, he was in fact a NeverTrumper.
   1202. perros Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:59 AM (#5697635)
I'd like to understand (beyond my middle class assumptions) why poor people tend to throw garbage of all kinds on the ground instead of disposing of it "properly". Hell, I don't understand why people will overstuff one full can in a line with others that are empty. The worst garbage offenders are those persons we call corporations, which aren't poor at all.
   1203. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 01:01 AM (#5697637)
Those are not sales taxes and have no relevance to today's decision
They are excise taxes rather than sales taxes, but they are an example of a jurisdiction levying taxes differently at other than a state level. I mean, I appreciate the pedantry, but you are determined to ignore the point, aren't you?

New York State exempts clothing that costs less than $110 from the state sales tax of 4%. However, numerous cities and/or counties in New York impose their own local sales taxes, and only some of those cities or counties exempt clothing. So a $50 item of clothing is taxed at 0% in NYC, but 3⅜% in Westchester County... except in a few cities in Westchester, where it can be more than that, such as Yonkers, where it's 4⅞%.
   1204. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:03 AM (#5697640)
Bair, reading a question: "Morris Polander says, what's the difference between a Democrat and a socialist?"

Krauthammer: "A Democrat is a socialist with a filter."

----------------------------------------------------------------
He wasn't a Trumpkin. Wasn't a NeverTrumper either, but I suppose I wouldn't call him a Trumpkin.

Uh, he was in fact a NeverTrumper.

Krauthammer wasn't a NeverTrumper in any real sense, since it took him until 5 days before the election to actually endorse the only candidate who could, you know, defeat him. Agonizing between a write-in for Paul Ryan or Ben Sasse, as he was doing as late as October 20th, was no more morally serious than a BernieBot's write-in vote for Jill Stein, even if as a Maryland resident it had only a symbolic impact.

But to give him credit, when the fog in his head finally cleared, five days before the election, his reasoning couldn't have been more succinct. I wonder why Ray isn't quoting this:
There seems to be a consensus that Putin’s hacking gambit is intended only to disrupt the election rather than to deny Clinton the White House. Why? Putin harbors a deep animus toward Clinton, whom he blames personally for the anti-Putin demonstrations that followed Russia’s rigged 2011 parliamentary elections.

Moreover, Putin would surely prefer to deal with Trump, a man who has adopted the softest line on the Kremlin of any modern U.S. leader.

In a normal election, the FBI and WikiLeaks factors might be disqualifying for a presidential candidate. As final evidence of how bad are our choices in 2016, Trump’s liabilities, especially on foreign policy, outweigh hers.

We are entering a period of unprecedented threat to the international order that has prevailed under American leadership since 1945. After eight years of President Obama’s retreat, the three major revisionist powers — Russia, China and Iran — see their chance to achieve regional dominance and diminish, if not expel, U.S. influence.

At a time of such tectonic instability, even the most experienced head of state requires wisdom and delicacy to maintain equilibrium. Trump has neither. His joining of supreme ignorance to supreme arrogance, combined with a pathological sensitivity to any perceived slight, is a standing invitation to calamitous miscalculation.

Two generations of Americans have grown up feeling that international stability is as natural as the air we breathe. It’s not. It depends on continual, calibrated tending. It depends on the delicate balancing of alliances and the careful signaling of enemies. It depends on avoiding self-inflicted trade wars and on recognizing the value of allies like Germany, Japan and South Korea as cornerstones of our own security rather than satrapies who are here to dispatch tribute to their imperial master in Washington.

It took seven decades to build this open, free international order. It could be brought down in a single presidential term. That would be a high price to pay for the catharsis of kicking over a table.

Emphasis added.
   1205. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:22 AM (#5697641)
Fifteen years is an awfully long time to be holding a grudge over a political position you disagreed with.


How long would you hold a grudge if I beat the #### out of you in front of your family? Because that would cause a lot less unnecessary suffering than Krauthammer’s “political position” by several orders of magnitude.
   1206. perros Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:35 AM (#5697646)
I nevsr cared for Krauthammer nor found his arguments particularly smart, but he's so far down the list of those to blame for the Iraq war I can't be angry with him about it. Maybe an anteroom of hell for Fox News contributors.

These folks on the other hand:

58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution:

Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY) and Torricelli (D-NJ).

   1207. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:44 AM (#5697647)
Krauthammer wasn't a NeverTrumper in any real sense,
He was a NeverTrumper in every real sense. You don’t get to make up your own personal definition of the term. It does not mean Democrat. It does not mean supporter of liberal policies. It does not mean “morally serious.” It means not voting for Trump. Period.


EDIT: What’s even sillier is that the column Andy linked to does not even endorse Hillary. The most it says about her is “As final evidence of how bad are our choices in 2016, Trump’s liabilities, especially on foreign policy, outweigh hers.” Which is inherent in being a NeverTrumper.
   1208. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:44 AM (#5697648)
These folks on the other hand:


Thank goodness your priorities are in order!
   1209. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:52 AM (#5697650)
15ish years ago my parents' next door neighbor told a bunch of probable illegal immigrants dump the construction waste from her kitchen remodel in her front yard, but that's because she refused to pay the town's dump fee and thought the town would come and clean up her front yard for her. She is, it should be noted, the stupidest person on the entire planet who doesn't have a major head injury. She's been on a 20-year campaign to remove all vegetation from her property and currently lives amidst a sea of clay and mud, and was also once threatened with arrest for taking potshots at a "chipmunk" (i.e., squirrel; she's from the rural South and doesn't know what squirrels are) that had climbed up a gutter and was attempting to "eat her roof". So she shot a couple of holes in the side of her house to deal with the roof-eating varmint.

Anyway, there's the precedent for illegal immigrants dumping remodeling waste.
   1210. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:22 AM (#5697656)
Krauthammer wasn't a NeverTrumper in any real sense,

He was a NeverTrumper in every real sense. You don’t get to make up your own personal definition of the term. It does not mean Democrat.


Correct.

It does not mean supporter of liberal policies.

Correct .

It does not mean “morally serious.”

That would be an insult to Krauthammer, to whom the advancement of moral seriousness was pretty much his entire reason for becoming a political writer. And like you, he recognized the difference between posturing and moral seriousness five days before the election. (You figured it out much earlier, but that's neither here nor there.)

It means not voting for Trump. Period.

Right, just like a pacifist who preached against Hitler during WWII was a "#NeverHitler". Even Krauthammer eventually managed to see through that line of reasoning, however belatedly.
   1211. dlf Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5697660)
I think you still got it wrong. ...


Ah crap. You are of course right. I'd like to blame it on trying too quickly to engage with those who think the identity of the Justices is all that matters, but instead, unfortunately, the blame instead rest solely on a combination of laziness and stupidity from the poster.

It's probably already been noted by those who care, but the Federal District Court in NY has found the structure of the Consumer Financial Protection Board unconstitutional ...


I suspect I'm the only one here. And the reference to Board instead of Bureau in the quote goes exactly to the problem you reference. But with the change in enforcement direction of the current Bureau, I'm not as sanguine as you about it reaching the Court to resolve the judicial split any time soon. In an article in Housing Wire yesterday, one lender who went through an audit by the regulator post-Cordray, suggested that a Power Point for the auditors will be enough of a shinny object that they will be guided away from any lurking danger: "PowerPoints will keep the focus on the exam where the company wants it. It gives the company more control of the direction of the discussion. While CFPB examiners will still ask questions, often times it will be directed at the information coming from the slides. They explained the more extensive the power points are and the more information they hold, the better." Link. With exams like this, why would a company want to bring attention to itself by litigating the constitutionality of the structure? It is an interesting legal question, but esoteric constitutionality matters take a back seat to profit and loss ...
   1212. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:01 AM (#5697661)
#1209 is awesome.
   1213. dlf Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5697662)
she's from the rural South and doesn't know what squirrels are


I can assure you that there are plenty of squirrels in the rural South. In suburban Atlanta, one tall, handsome and charming participant in these threads had to spend a couple of grand this Spring to fix holes and trap several that had eaten through the soffit to move into the attic.
   1214. . Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5697666)
I wonder why Ray isn't quoting this:


Because the major party alternative was Hillary Clinton.

This one has been asked and answered now ... what? ... 100,000 times??
   1215. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5697667)
Squirrels are indeed everywhere down here and it is chipmunks that seem to be rare down here. Every morning it seems the squirrels of the neighborhood have a conference in the park before they spread out and go about their business. Meanwhile I'v seen like two chipmunks the entire time I've been down here.
   1216. Shredder Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5697668)
They are excise taxes rather than sales taxes, but they are an example of a jurisdiction levying taxes differently at other than a state level. I mean, I appreciate the pedantry, but you are determined to ignore the point, aren't you?
They are not specifically the taxes or tax jurisdictions implicated in the "12,000 Jurisdictions!!!" that the Tax Foundation and others are trying to scare you with. They just aren't. This is not hard. They have their own website and everything. I am specifically referring to sales taxes. You can talk about other taxes, but you will be introducing a new topic.
   1217. . Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:21 AM (#5697669)
Because that would cause a lot less unnecessary suffering than Krauthammer’s “political position” by several orders of magnitude.


You people have gone off the deep end with your bizarre and shrill assignment of responsibility for things to political commentators.

Countries go to war, and the major political commentators in those countries take positions on the wars.

I didn't support the Iraq war either, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a contrary position that could be expressed honorably and in good faith. That's what we do in America. If you and yours want to drop out of that system in favor of your shrill virtue signaling and reductionism, fine -- but don't expect not to be called to account.

You and yours have truly become dreadful citizens. (*) Grow the #### up.

(*) And, no -- Trump's dreadfulness is no justification. Again, grow the #### up.
   1218. . Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:25 AM (#5697670)
R.I.P. Charles Krauthammer


Good riddance to bad rubbish.


You're a pathetic embarrassment. Krauthammer lived a more exemplary life than yours by many orders of magnitude. Just compare what he was doing and saying in his mid-40s -- and the way he went about doing it and saying it -- with what you're doing and saying and the way you're going about it.

Wow.
   1219. Shredder Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5697671)
Er, is there any way I could set up an informal consultation?
Sure, email me through my profile. If that doesn't work, without spaces and whatnot, w seitz at google's mail program. You should be able to figure it out.
   1220. dlf Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:28 AM (#5697672)
Squirrels are indeed everywhere down here and it is chipmunks that seem to be rare down here ...


Eh, we have them too. There is a nest (or whatever you pedants call a chipmunk home) under the corner of the slab for our backyard fire pit and when I'm working from the home office, I can watch several munching on fallen acorns while I work.

I think that I have the world's most discriminating - or stupid - dog. He *hates* the squirrels and will try to go through the glass door or out a closed window when he sees one on the deck. But a chipmunk can be 10 feet away and he'll never do a thing, especially if there is a tennis ball to run after.
   1221. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5697673)
I think that I have the world's most discriminating - or stupid - dog. He *hates* the squirrels and will try to go through the glass door or out a closed window when he sees one on the deck. But a chipmunk can be 10 feet away and he'll never do a thing, especially if there is a tennis ball to run after.


My dog - RIP - also hated squirrels, but his passions was ducks and geese. Man he liked going after them, especially in the water (maybe it was an excuse to get in the water also, I must admit). Rabbits, which are everywhere around here, he really didn't care about. Maybe every once in a while he would take a token step or two towards them, but you could tell live and let live was his motto.

Dogs are very much individuals with their own ideas - which is part of the reason I enjoy them so much.

EDIT: He also wanted to go after wild turkeys, but his person decided to veto that one (several times). Deer and horses you could tell he was conflicted about. He was a coward, so I think the size thing scared him, but I also think he felt he should go after them on principle.
   1222. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5697677)
but that doesn't mean there wasn't a contrary position that could be expressed honorably and in good faith.

Unless they are disagreeing with you, I guess.
   1223. dlf Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5697679)
Economic news from my little niche area ... housing prices have continued to outpace wage growth. Cost of home ownership as a percentage of income is at the highest point since right before the 2008 housing bubble collapse. And since we've discussed San Fran and New York housing issues before,

On average, the average wage earner would have to spend 31.2% of his or her income to buy a median-priced home, but there are many counties where this percentage is much, much higher.

In the San Francisco area, the average wage earner would have to dedicate 133.2% of his or her income to buying a median-priced home. For average wage earners in Brooklyn, the number is 123.1%. Santa Cruz registers 121.5%, and in Monterey County, California, the percentage is 100.3%.


Link

One note: I really hate that they bounce between mean and median in this article.
   1224. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5697680)
He wasn't a Trumpkin. Wasn't a NeverTrumper either, but I suppose I wouldn't call him a Trumpkin.

Uh, he was in fact a NeverTrumper.


Upon review, I will admit that I was wrong - I thought he had pulled a Rich Lowry, but he had not. Mea culpa.

So, OK... I will amend to say RIP to a NeverTrumper. Any such will be missed, no matter how wrong a NeverTrumper might be about other things.

   1225. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5697685)
JPod:
You didn’t edit Charles, though. He edited himself. Over and over again. His work would come in from an assistant and be revised continually until the moment of publication. Expressions of frustration about the late hour nearing the time we had to send pieces off to the printer were greeted on the phone with stony silence. Any complaint to one of his assistants (Rich Lowry was one) generated what seemed to a kind of silent terror that crackled through the cables. He was civil, but not necessarily pleasant, in these moments.

Charles existed so apart from his quadraplegic disability in the minds and experiences of those of us who knew him—because of his willed insistence that it be so, a willed insistence that was all the more powerful because it was unspoken—that any anger I might have felt at the imposition of his writerly arrogance seemed entirely permissible … until the moment that I remembered. I would remember he could not put pen to paper. I would remember he wrote by dictating. I would remember it was a goddamned astonishing fact of facts that he could do any of this, let alone do it with such easy brilliance. Think of it. He read widely and paid attention to everything—a man who had some difficulty turning a page. He wrote weekly, this man who could not write.

How did he? He told me once that when he did rounds as a resident at Mass General, the hospital had a primitive voice-control system in which he and his colleagues would phone in their notes on patients. The system would start when they began speaking, but if they paused or said um or got lost in their thoughts, it would shut down and hang up on them. And so they would have to do it again. Charles, of course, couldn’t take notes. He had to dictate off the top of his head. Because this weirdly technical aspect of his medical training taught him how, he became a fluent dictater of words, and the only person I ever knew who could make one of those early computer voice thingies called Dragon work to his advantage. ...

He was the most extraordinary person I have ever known, and I have been blessed to know many. We roasted Charles a few years ago at our annual fundraiser. Of course, no one could think of a bad thing to say about him. He said bad things about us. They were hilarious, because that’s the other thing he was—funny. Very, very, very funny. We’ll release video of it over the coming days.

There is more to say—about Charles as a Jew, about Charles as a brilliant social commentator, and about Charles as a medical miracle. For that he was. He was a quadriplegic who lived to the age of 68—and died not of complications from his condition but from cancer. He told Bill and Fred and me back in 1995 that he did not know how much longer he had to live and he needed to earn as much as he could to ensure Robbie and his son Daniel were provided for if the end came unexpectedly. He lived for 23 years after that. He wrote a book that sold a million copies. People flocked to him at personal appearances as though he were a Beatle.

Has anyone ever done more with the life God handed him, or played a bad hand as astoundingly as Charles did?
Baruch dayan ha'emet.
   1226. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5697688)
So, OK... I will amend to say RIP to a NeverTrumper. Any such will be missed, no matter how wrong a NeverTrumper might be about other things.


NeverTrump is kind of the lowest common denominator, the cost of doing business, the price of entry, or at least should be. But sure, we should be charitable and extend the benefit of the doubt to all, especially those recently departed. It is one of the things that makes us better than them after all.
   1227. . Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5697691)
Unless they are disagreeing with you, I guess.


Nope, guess again.

Note the words "honorably" and "in good faith." No one could possibly believe someone like Rickey! brings that to the table. Or others of note.
   1228. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5697692)
I didn't support the Iraq war either

This does not seem...what's the word...believable.
   1229. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5697695)
You can't make this up...

I had forgotten - Frau Trump's "I really don't care" coat is by Zara.

Fashionistas - and I presume it goes without saying, nobody knows sartorial finery like Primates - will recall that Zara often makes a name for itself with nazi-inspired clothing.

You my recall it previously released its line of holocaust jammies... and swastika-laden purses... and on and on.

Of course, being a former rocket scientist unused to the ways of fashion - one can understand how someone like Melania would... never mind.
   1230. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5697700)
OK... I will amend to say RIP to a NeverTrumper.

After November 3rd, 2016, you mean. Before that, when it came to Trump he was just a smarter version of JE, who wanted to eat his cake and have it, too.
   1231. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5697703)
If I had to guess I would say the I don't care, do you thing was directed at Donald Trump by Melania. In part I think this because Donald felt the need to comment on it and pretty much anything he says is a lie so if he's lying about this it is because the truth is ugly to him and must be erased.

I mean think of what has to happen for Melania to get that jacket. She doesn't get to roam through Hot Topic and Forever 21 looking for things. This wasn't specially created for her. She or someone she had working for her saw this jacket, she had to have a conversation with someone over it, somehow got the coat, and decided that day was the day to walk out of the WH with it on. Now nobody in the WH noticed it? None of her aides or WH aides were walking behind her and commented? This was a deliberate action on her part. The unfortunate part for everyone is that nobody knows what it means so it can mean anything.
   1232. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5697704)
If one is from the rural South & doesn't know what squirrels are, one is either blind or badly agoraphobic.
   1233. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5697705)
NeverTrump is kind of the lowest common denominator, the cost of doing business, the price of entry, or at least should be. But sure, we should be charitable and extend the benefit of the doubt to all, especially those recently departed. It is one of the things that makes us better than them after all.

By pointing out the simple fact that Krauthammer was the most belated #NeverTrump of the 2016 campaign, that doesn't mean I'm trashing his memory, since he lived a long and in many ways an admirable life. And I think he'd have agreed with my thought that the smartest thing he ever did was to marry Robyn.
   1234. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5697707)
If one is from the rural South & doesn't know what squirrels are, one is either blind or badly agoraphobic.

Or has never savored the rural South's finest culinary tradition, Brunswick Stew.
   1235. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5697709)
After November 3rd, 2016, you mean. Before that, when it came to Trump he was just a smarter version of JE, who wanted to eat his cake and have it, too.


Well - remember that I have a different standard for NeverTrumpers...

Much as I wish they had, I've never had any real (Trump-based) animus towards alternate ideologically aligned folks who still couldn't vote for Hillary. The key for me is whether they then decided to become fellow travelers... Vichy lickspittles.. .even awful people Milice.

I very much take the Churchillian approach - if Trump invaded hell, I would at least make favourable reference to the devil in the OTP.
   1236. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5697711)
She or someone she had working for her saw this jacket, she had to have a conversation with someone over it, somehow got the coat, and decided that day was the day to walk out of the WH with it on. Now nobody in the WH noticed it. None of her aides or WH aides was walking behind her and commented on it?

Someone did comment somewhere that the last five people who saw her leaving the WH with that on and didn't actually tackle her all need to be fired.
   1237. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5697714)
If one is from the rural South & doesn't know what squirrels are, one is either blind or badly agoraphobic.
Or incredibly, incredibly stupid, and entirely oblivious to almost everything that goes on around her. Which is the case here.
   1238. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5697715)
Ha!

I love working for a Dutch-based company...

The King of the Netherlands...

ZM Willem-Alexander♔‏ @WiIIemAlexander

More
Replying to @realDonaldTrump

Dear mister Trump. You see this beautiful building? It’s the International Court of Justice in Our residency The Hague, the Netherlands. It’s waiting for you. It might take a while. But it’s waiting …

   1239. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5697717)
if Trump invaded hell


That is a big if man. Lucifer has his people's RESPECT! They pay attention when Lucifer talks, like underlings should. Lucifer's people love him. And man does the Prince of Lies have a way with words, Trump loves that about him.
   1240. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5697718)
So, OK... I will amend to say RIP to a NeverTrumper.
I don't recall Krauthammer ever announcing his preference in the 2016 general election but he definitely seemed #NeverTrump. After the vote and inauguration, he became a Trump skeptic, willing to give credit to Trump where due but overall not very pleased with the direction the party -- or country -- was going.
   1241. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5697719)
So, OK... I will amend to say RIP to a NeverTrumper.
I don't recall Krauthammer ever announcing his preference in the 2016 general election but he definitely seemed #NeverTrump. After the vote and inauguration, he became a Trump skeptic, willing to give credit to Trump where due but overall not very pleased with the direction the party -- or country -- was going.
   1242. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5697721)
If one is from the rural South & doesn't know what squirrels are, one is either blind or badly agoraphobic.

Given her shooting ability, I am going with blind.
   1243. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5697723)
Anyway, this has been a dreadful two months for the center-right community.

Obits include:

Richard Pipes
Bernard Lewis
Mike Potemra
Barbara Bush
CK
   1244. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5697725)
My dog - RIP - also hated squirrels,

My dog, a Vizsla, also loved chasing squirrels, but could never catch one. If there is a doggy heaven, there are lots of squirrels and they don't know how to climb trees.
   1245. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5697726)
By pointing out the simple fact that Krauthammer was the most belated #NeverTrump of the 2016 campaign
It’s not a “simple fact”; it’s a lie. You haven repeatedly dishonestly tried to rewrite other people’s beliefs to say something very different than they believe. “NeverTrump” simply does not mean “Hillary supporter.”

I can’t tell if you’re being more or less dishonest than Ray’s “Unless you’re willing to assassinate Trump, you’re not really a NeverTrumper.” (It’s a close call.)
   1246. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5697729)
Charles Krauthammer cheer led the mass murder of a hundred thousand human beings. We should toast his death with rousing happy chorus and the sincere hope that more of his ilk will soon join him as rotting meat in the ground.
   1247. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5697730)
My dog, A Vizsla, also loved chasing squirrels, but could never catch one.

My cat was a squirrel T-1000 (seemingly made out of black liquid), while I had a black pug that despite MAXIMUM EFFORT similarly had as much chance as a trout would at catching a squirrel.
   1248. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5697731)
Our "President" just tweeted that the stories of the grief of the separated children and parents are phony. Where does he get his information about how children behave when separated from their parents, from Ray?
   1249. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5697734)
Funny how Harvard alums like Krauthammer (or Kushner) don't get the withering "elite" label from those who toss it around here like Oprah giveaways.
   1250. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5697735)
My cat from my childhood was an excellent hunter despite my parents removing his front claws. He routinely caught chipmunks, birds, and rabbits. He would supplement his cat food with his kills. I recall looking under the deck one day and saw my cat happily munching away on a bird he had killed. Never saw him hunt or catch anything but somehow he was able to do it. My new little kitty is a fierce hunter of flies, carpenter bees, worms, and specks of paint on walls.
   1251. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5697737)
The infants stolen from their families at the borders are being shuttled to adoption agencies run by friends of Betsy DeVos. This is human trafficking.
   1252. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5697745)
Our "President" just tweeted that the stories of the grief of the separated children and parents are phony. Where does he get his information about how children behave when separated from their parents, from Ray?


Probably.

He certainly got Ray's love of "solutions" and Ray's disdain for people just playing politics -


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!
6:06 AM - Jun 22, 2018


But remember - it's "both sides"... The fact that one side has been completely shut out of input on any legislation and just didn't vote the non-existent compromise one party cannot even manage to do by itself still means "both sides".
   1253. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5697746)
Funny how Harvard alums like Krauthammer (or Kushner) don't get the withering "elite" label from those who toss it around here like Oprah giveaways.


Didn't you hear?

Trump is taking back the word "elite"... It's HIS word. You can't have it.
   1254. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5697747)
Anyway, this has been a dreadful two months for the center-right community.

Obits include:

Richard Pipes
Bernard Lewis
Mike Potemra
Barbara Bush
CK


Maybe Trump killed them.

Maybe you helped.
   1255. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5697748)
LOL. It appears some of you are still setting your hair ablaze, bouncing off the walls, and consuming copious quantities of hallucinogens. Staying clear of OTP for the past two weeks or so was on balance a very rewarding experience.
   1256. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5697749)
It was.
   1257. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5697751)
LOL. It appears some of you are still setting your hair ablaze, bouncing off the walls, and consuming copious quantities of hallucinogens. Staying clear of OTP for the past two weeks or so was on balance a very rewarding experience.


I would need breaks from defending the indefensible, too.

Fortunately, I'm an iron man when it comes to attacking the indefensible.
   1258. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5697752)
You weren’t missed.
   1259. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5697755)
Fortunately, I'm an iron man when it comes to attacking the indefensible.
This would be the same "iron man" who, days after the election, tossed an armful of cereal boxes and dirty clothes, including the prized Aquaman PJs, into the hand-me-down station wagon and fled to Canada?
   1260. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5697762)
Did the Girl & the Goat yesterday. Beautiful restaurant, good service, somewhat limited but functional wine list, didn't have a cocktail but they looked perfectly okay as well, liked the the menu layout and the plan for it.

Went with the focaccia, wood fired oysters, lamb ribs, cauliflower, goat empanada, and braised pork shank. Focaccia and oysters were a dud. Lamb and cauliflower were quite good. Goat empanada was a miss and while the pork shank was done perfectly the accompaniments besides the naan weren't up to par. Wasn't crazy about the two sauces and pickled radishes or whatever came with it. The dessert was a caramel popcorn and ice cream thing that was good but pretty common. A local restaurant in Atlanta called Canoe has been doing something like this for years.

Overall it is a quite good restaurant though I don't think it is so good that it deserves to be booked 3 months in advance. A bottle of wine and 6 items plus dessert and taxes came to something like $204.

Au Cheval is nearby and we decided to head over there for a drink afterwards to see what that one was all about. Didn't realize it was supposed to be an upscale diner. Wasn't our scene so we left and eventually found ourselves in, I think, the Soho Hotel which had a pretty cool F&B setup. Enjoyed a glass of wine in a very beautiful area and then called it a night.

This whole luxury casual food thing is really not my scene. For $100+ per person I really expect to be more wined and dined. I will say that Girl & a Goat had probably the best service for one of these casual luxury restaurants but it still lacked something for that price.
   1261. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5697764)
This would be the same iron man who, days after the election, tossed an armful of cereal boxes and dirty clothes, including the prized Aquaman PJs, into the hand-me-down station wagon and fled to Canada?


That would be months...

And who the #### bothers packing cereal boxes? Every time I've moved, I've just donated everything in my kitchen cabinets to the local food pantry - it generally takes a good week until the unpacking is done well enough to bother with anything but takeout.

Pretty sure I've made myself continually clear regarding superheroes - not my cup of tea... and even if that were the case, aquaman was always the most pointless of the superfriends.

I've never actually driven a station wagon in life - and in fact, have never had had a "hand-me-down" car either. Bought them all myself - starting with an ancient Ford Vega I paid $100.

However, you're right - I do tend to prefer to let the laundry pile up before moving. Makes it easier to pack when you can just stuff it in hampers, laundry bags, etc.
   1262. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5697765)
Not everyone has your flexibility that turn in a dime and eat #### on demand, Jason.
   1263. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5697769)
E-mails!

Remember they were a big deal?

Apparently, the crookedest of the crooked cabinet of crooks has only sent one e-mail in his time in the EPA... at least, one e-mail using his government account.
   1264. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5697777)
I guess this would count as good news for Michael Cohen... or rather, would have in the days before the authorities DIDN'T have a search warrant.
   1265. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5697784)
After November 3rd, 2016, you mean. Before that, when it came to Trump he was just a smarter version of JE, who wanted to eat his cake and have it, too.

Well - remember that I have a different standard for NeverTrumpers...

Much as I wish they had, I've never had any real (Trump-based) animus towards alternate ideologically aligned folks who still couldn't vote for Hillary. The key for me is whether they then decided to become fellow travelers... Vichy lickspittles.. .even awful people Milice.


Obviously there's a huge gap between Krauthammer and JE in how they wrote about Trump after Inauguration Day,** and there still would've been a gap even if Krauthammer hadn't taken the final step five days before the election. We all have our differing ideas of what constitutes a true #NeverTrump, but mine's got one basic requirement: You did (or do) everything within your power to prevent him at all points along the way from obtaining the presidency. Krauthammer passed that test, even if only at the last minute. David passed it long before that. JE and McCain flunked it, as did countless other self-styled "#NeverTrump" politicians. I'm sorry, but refusing to vote for the only candidate who was in a position to prevent Trump from winning amounted to little more than posturing.

Don't get me wrong: I can respect people like McCain and Flake in many ways, and I've defended JE around here more than a few times, but facts are facts, and you don't have to be a liberal to acknowledge them in this case. Is David a liberal? What about Richard Armitage, Brent Snowcroft, or Michael Chertoff?

** Read those final words of Krauthammer's from that November 3rd column I copied above in #1204. JE has shown himself to be constitutionally incapable of writing words as blunt as those, but then although Krauthammer was ideologically aligned with the GOP for the last 45+ years of his life, he was never a slave to it.
   1266. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5697792)
By pointing out the simple fact that Krauthammer was the most belated #NeverTrump of the 2016 campaign

It’s not a “simple fact”; it’s a lie. You haven repeatedly dishonestly tried to rewrite other people’s beliefs to say something very different than they believe. “NeverTrump” simply does not mean “Hillary supporter.”


Just how did I "rewrite" what Krauthammer said? By quoting his words and linking to both his "before" and "after" columns?

The supreme (and repeated) irony here is that you yourself understood the significance of voting for Hillary as the only way of making "#NeverTrump" a reality once he obtained the nomination. It's hard not to see your outbursts here as stemming from your embarrassment at having been cited by your apparent Great White Whale as an example what what a real "#NeverTrump" actually looks like!

Hell, if you can't stand the praise, you can always put me on Ignore. (smile)

I can’t tell if you’re being more or less dishonest than Ray’s “Unless you’re willing to assassinate Trump, you’re not really a NeverTrumper.” (It’s a close call.)

Well, I guess that voting for Hillary would've been assassinating Trump in some sort of metaphorical way. I'm sure Trump would agree.
   1267. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5697795)

I'm sorry, but refusing to vote for the only candidate who was in a position to prevent Trump from winning amounted to little more than posturing.
This is stupid and wrong on multiple levels, secondary of which is that posturing was precisely the point, and foremost of which is that Jason lives in DC, and thus his vote could not have had the slightest chance whatsoever of affecting Trump's chances of winning.


(Moreover, the Krauthammer column you keep pointing to doesn't even say what you want it to, so I don't know why you keep mentioning it. It says that Trump is unfit, which is the same thing Krauthammer said multiple times before. It says he's worse than Hillary. But it doesn't actually endorse her.)
   1268. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5697796)

Just how did I "rewrite" what Krauthammer said?
I didn't say that you rewrote what Krauthammer said. I said that you rewrote what NeverTrump means. NeverTrumpers, not you, get to define what NeverTrumpism is.
   1269. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5697800)
NeverTrumpers, not you, get to define what NeverTrumpism is.


David, new champion of self identification. Trans people around the world cheer.
   1270. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5697806)
I think we should just let me define it.

I think I've proven myself to have the broadest, most expansive big tent definition and hence, the one likely to be most inclusive - and quibbles aside - accepted.

Nobody is more centrist and moderate on nevertrumperism than I!
   1271. Traderdave Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5697815)
McCoy:

I have a sous vide/grill combo lamb ribs recipe that I'm pleased with, lmk if you'd like it
   1272. . Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5697816)
Charles Krauthammer cheer led the mass murder of a hundred thousand human beings.


No he didn't, you abject and pathetic liar.
   1273. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5697827)
NeverTrumpers, not you, get to define what NeverTrumpism is.

David, new champion of self identification. Trans people around the world cheer.

Not to mention liberals. Not to mention the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Not to mention former groups like the Students for a Democratic Society.
   1274. zenbitz Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5697828)
Welcome back, JE. Unlike these fire-breathing compatriots of mine, I somehow think there is hope for you.

Just a big ol' softie I guess.
   1275. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5697834)
Welcome back, JE. Unlike these fire-breathing compatriots of mine, I somehow think there is hope for you.

If Steve Schmidt could see the light, so can JE, even if at this point he's still at the pre-larval stage of preferring Trump to John Kasich.
   1276. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5697837)
Obviously there's a huge gap between Krauthammer and JE in how they wrote about Trump after Inauguration Day,**
Sorry, Andy, but you're just so full of baloney. Since the election, I have witnessed not once you holding up Krauthammer as a center-right author worth reading. It's always Jen Rubin, Ross Douthat, David Brooks, Michael Gerson, Max Boot, and that's pretty much it.
   1277. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5697838)
If Steve Schmidt could see the light, so can JE, even if at this point he's still at the pre-larval stage of preferring Trump to John Kasich.
I quit the GOP in 2016 so it turns out the worst campaign manager ever isn't even as brave as zonk.
   1278. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5697840)
Charles Krauthammer cheer led the mass murder of a hundred thousand human beings.
No he didn't, you abject and pathetic liar.

Wait, he may be right. You see, CK opposed net neutrality. Even worse, he gleefully ran over the corpses lying naked in the streets with his wheelchair.
   1279. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5697841)
It's always Jen Rubin, Ross Douthat, David Brooks, Michael Gerson, Max Boot, and that's pretty much it.

Getting on a lefty for daring to hold up five center-right authors instead of six is a pretty empty indictment.


Wait, he may be right. After all, CK opposed net neutrality. Even worse, he gleefully ran over the corpses lying naked in the streets with his wheelchair.

Everyone other than Sam who noticed Krautheimer's rather energetic writings on the Iraq invasion isn't a liar.
   1280. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5697845)
If they were some way Trump could "be" President but not actually have any capabilities - well, I use the term loosely - to do anything relating to the office, I might almost say this clown show would be worth the entertainment value.

Michael Cohen has made new friends...

Arnold continued, alluding to Cohen’s weariness as New York prosecutors bear down on him and his future looks increasingly grim: “I say to Michael, ‘Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together, and he’s so tired he’s like, ‘OK,’ and his wife is like, ‘OK, f*** Trump,'” he told NBC, laughing.

It’s been reported that Cohen is feeling forsaken by Trump as the investigation gets more serious. “Michael Cohen showed up and worked diligently above and beyond and sacrificed and Donald Trump is like I don’t even know who he is. You think Michael doesn’t notice that?” Arnold said to NBC.


I think that if you added up all the ridiculousness... all the malfeasance... all of the utter eye-rolling Are You ####### Kidding Me of every previous President combined - it would not measure up against what this idiot has managed in less than a year and half.

If it weren't for him hugging dictators while cursing western democracies, launching hair-brained trade wars without any clue what he's doing, shaming the US via his words and actions... I'd almost - almost - be glad for the 2016 election results.
   1281. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5697846)
Welcome back, JE.
Thanks, zenbitz.
   1282. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5697847)
I quit the GOP in 2016 so


...I could become a Trumpublican!

   1283. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5697848)
But sure, we should be charitable and extend the benefit of the doubt to all, especially those recently departed. It is one of the things that makes us better than them after all.

Bitter Mouse seems to be entirely oblivious to his fellow OTP lefties practice of disparaging the recently departed and wishing death upon those who hold different political views. Pretty difficult to claim you're better than anyone while running with that crowd.
   1284. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5697851)
Bitter Mouse seems to be entirely oblivious to his fellow OTP lefties practice of disparaging the recently departed and wishing death upon those who hold different political views. Pretty difficult to claim you're better than anyone while running with that crowd.


Remember - nobody is more fit to judge than a Trumpkin!
   1285. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5697852)
Everyone other than Sam who noticed Krautheimer's rather energetic writings on the Iraq invasion isn't a liar.
Because support for the Iraq war makes one culpable for mass murder? Brilliant!

EDIT: OTOH, you're finally acknowledging that Sammy is pretty much an escaped mental patient with a keyboard lashed to his wrists so.. yay?
   1286. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5697855)
I think Mouse linked to this previously - if not, nothing really new on the Senate landscape than what we've previously discussed (i.e., the GOP's once-fertile target ground seems to have shrunk considerably)... but I did find this nugget amusing.

A Quinnipiac University poll found that a majority of Republicans believe Trump’s June 12 summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was a success for the U.S. A majority of Democrats believe it was a failure. Almost 80 percent of both Democrats and Republicans agree that the summit was a success for North Korea.


Bipartisan agreement!
   1287. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5697857)
Welcome back, JE. Unlike these fire-breathing compatriots of mine, I somehow think there is hope for you.


Well, he did say on FB a few days ago that he left the GOP in 2016. Can't say I've seen any obvious signs of that, but then again I haven't been taking notes.

Edit: And just said it again here just a few minutes ago. I should've read further.
   1288. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5697859)
Because support for the Iraq war makes one culpable for mass murder?

He wrote that Krautheimer "cheer-led" the war. If you disagree Krautheimer did that I don't see much point in bothering.


EDIT: OTOH, you're finally acknowledging that Sammy is pretty much an escaped mental patient with a keyboard lashed to his wrists so.. yay?

No.
   1289. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5697860)
BTW, Andy, how's your dear ol' SPLC doing these days? They were a few million lighter in the wallet, last I checked...
   1290. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5697861)
You, the SPLC, and the NY Times should get a room and leave Andy out of it.
   1291. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5697864)
I'm sorry, but refusing to vote for the only candidate who was in a position to prevent Trump from winning amounted to little more than posturing.

Andy's insistence that the only way to look at things is his way is rather amusing. Many of the people he's condemning were Never Hillary long before they were Never Trump, and others had a long record of third party support well before 2016. Just as in other situations, when there are no good options, individuals get to decide for themselves which of the less than ideal choices to select. Andy (and his party) enthusiastically backed a very poor candidate who lost what should of been a winnable election. Rather than blame the candidate, or the party's stance on the issues, Andy (and many others) have repeatedly blamed the voters. People who do that often get to do it for multiple elections.
   1292. Srul Itza Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5697866)
No mention of the Supreme Court's ruling that cell phone location information now requires a warrant?

The Four Liberals plus the CJ essentially overruled the third party doctrine (which is that once information is in the hands of third parties, you have no expectation of privacy and it is fair game for the government).

Three of the four remaining conservatives essentially attacked the whole Katz doctrine of "reasonable expectation of privacy", with Uncle Thomas the most vigorous, possibly because the Founding Fathers did not have cell phones, so the Fourth Amendment could not apply to it.

Gorsuch wrote the most interesting "dissent", which was less dissent than exploration of the issues. He had problems with both Katz AND the Third Party Doctrine, and mixing fairly colloquial comments with good research, suggest that people DO retain a property interest in things that may be in the hands of third parties (bringing up bailment).
   1293. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5697867)
It would be a shame to take Clapper but leave any spawn to continue shitting up the gene pool.
   1294. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5697868)
If only the SPLC's record was as spotless as Breitbart's.
   1295. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5697869)
You, the SPLC, and the NY Times


Speaking of cheerleading the war. ####### pieces of ####.
   1296. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5697871)
Obviously there's a huge gap between Krauthammer and JE in how they wrote about Trump after Inauguration Day,**

** Read those final words of Krauthammer's from that November 3rd column I copied above in #1204. JE has shown himself to be constitutionally incapable of writing words as blunt as those, but then although Krauthammer was ideologically aligned with the GOP for the last 45+ years of his life, he was never a slave to it.


Sorry, Andy, but you're just so full of baloney. Since the election, I have witnessed not once you holding up Krauthammer as a center-right author worth reading. It's always Jen Rubin, Ross Douthat, David Brooks, Michael Gerson, Max Boot, and that's pretty much it.


Gee, that's quite a response to what I said! But in the spirit of giving you a second chance, why don't you tell us if you sign off on those words of Krauthammer's I quoted in #1204:
There seems to be a consensus that Putin’s hacking gambit is intended only to disrupt the election rather than to deny Clinton the White House. Why? Putin harbors a deep animus toward Clinton, whom he blames personally for the anti-Putin demonstrations that followed Russia’s rigged 2011 parliamentary elections.

Moreover, Putin would surely prefer to deal with Trump, a man who has adopted the softest line on the Kremlin of any modern U.S. leader.

In a normal election, the FBI and WikiLeaks factors might be disqualifying for a presidential candidate. As final evidence of how bad are our choices in 2016, Trump’s liabilities, especially on foreign policy, outweigh hers.

We are entering a period of unprecedented threat to the international order that has prevailed under American leadership since 1945. After eight years of President Obama’s retreat, the three major revisionist powers — Russia, China and Iran — see their chance to achieve regional dominance and diminish, if not expel, U.S. influence.

At a time of such tectonic instability, even the most experienced head of state requires wisdom and delicacy to maintain equilibrium. Trump has neither. His joining of supreme ignorance to supreme arrogance, combined with a pathological sensitivity to any perceived slight, is a standing invitation to calamitous miscalculation.

Two generations of Americans have grown up feeling that international stability is as natural as the air we breathe. It’s not. It depends on continual, calibrated tending. It depends on the delicate balancing of alliances and the careful signaling of enemies. It depends on avoiding self-inflicted trade wars and on recognizing the value of allies like Germany, Japan and South Korea as cornerstones of our own security rather than satrapies who are here to dispatch tribute to their imperial master in Washington.

It took seven decades to build this open, free international order. It could be brought down in a single presidential term. That would be a high price to pay for the catharsis of kicking over a table.




   1297. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5697872)
Speaking of cheerleading the war. ####### pieces of ####.

That doesn't count. I guess.
   1298. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5697873)

I have a sous vide/grill combo lamb ribs recipe that I'm pleased with, lmk if you'd like it


Lamb is one of my favorites to sous vide.

What's your preferred temp?
   1299. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5697874)
No mention of the Supreme Court's ruling that cell phone location information now requires a warrant?


I noted it... though I buried in a reference to Michael Cohen (which I mucked up because I suck at editing)...
   1300. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5697878)
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