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OTP 2018 June 18: How Life Imitates the Congressional Baseball Game

“This game is a situation of which, you’re a product of your political success, so if you have a good political year, you have a good recruiting year for this game.” So said former Rep. David Bonior, D-Mich., many years ago about the Congressional Baseball Game and the teams each party gets to field.

Washington is host to the 2018 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, known among fans as the midsummer classic. But Capitol Hill has staged its own midsummer classic every year for more than five decades, the Congressional Baseball Game.

 

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Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:15 AM | 1775 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1401. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5698102)
And I have no idea why JE thinks it’s uaccepptae for asylum applicant to be in the country pending a hearing.

Perhaps because he's not a gullible fool? Those claiming political asylum only after being apprehended for illegally crossing the border have enormous incentives to fabricate their claims, and its beyond dispute that a large majority don't meet the criteria for asylum, with many not even showing up for their asylum hearing if released.
   1402. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5698115)
Pahrump travel tips -

You MUST at least feign the belief in that aliens have often visited earth but do NOT attempt to take any specific stances on individual sub-elements or strata of the debate of extra-terrestrial life, alien abductions or even the validity of the moon landings. If you think you can divine the belief set and contribute to a conversation without offending, you cannot. Practice your feigned and lukewarm interest in such topics in a manner that doesn't offend but also doesn't encourage further exploration of the topics.

Water rights are an important topic, but again - you are best served sticking with a simple "All I know is those bastards in Las Vegas are water thieves". Avoid involvement in specifics like the validity of having a typical non-arid lawn of grass. Violently disagreeable camps exist in between "it's my water" vs "you're using too much for something stupid". Just stick with the basic idea that Vegas uses too much for stupid things.

A wall should be built to separate California from Nevada and asylum seekers should be subject to an exhaustive battery of loyalty tests to differentiate the true refugees from the infesters.

Guns. You like them. They are essential. The only reason you do not have on one you is because the fascist casino won't let you. Keep a picture of one in your wallet.

Harry Reid. Feign ignorance of who he is. If in doubt and forced to take a side, "sounds like a real evil guy" is the mathematically safest course of action - but be forewarned, while a distinct minority - supporters match haters in ferocity and volume.

Environmentalism is tricky. You can - and in most cases, should - voice support for concepts like solar energy but be clear that your preference for it is solely a matter of desiring self sufficiency. Bonus points if you can fake deep moral uncertainty between Al Gore is fat and your desire for independence. A good gambit is to explain that you do have solar panels, but you'll use any kind of ####### lightbulb you want. Ditto ripping through the desert on your four-wheeler - you should be able to do however many donuts you want, wherever you want... but people who litter should be subject to vigilante justice.

Law enforcement: You support law enforcement because you/your relative/etc is a former sheriff. However, you also think law enforcement is evil and fascist. Learn the difference between a "sheriff" and a "police officer". You prefer the former, distrust the latter. Under no circumstances should you ever voice any concern for law enforcement efforts of either type against non-WASP suspects.

Dress like a local. Stetsons work. Large belt buckles also - just don't look too Texas. If in doubt, you'll generally be OK with some manner of American-flag type garb. Safest, however, would be something with a bald eagle design.
   1403. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5698118)
Old and busted: Trumpkins.

New hotness: Cult45s.
   1404. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5698120)
Pahrump travel tips -


Fireworks, firearms and whores ...
   1405. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5698121)
Fireworks, firearms and whores ...


Rejected first draft of Lawyers, Guns & Money.
   1406. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5698123)
Fireworks, firearms and whores ...


Oh yes - I completely forgot about fireworks!

Residents do also have a weirdly 14 yo boy level fascination with fireworks.

Brothels, though - I've found to be sort of Mark Foley-esque odd... as in - violent and loud defense of, paired with an often equally loud "but I'd never and neither should you".
   1407. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5698127)
Hmmm, I forgot to include David Frum in the list of names Andy cites as so utterly brave center-right types.

So what's David been up to lately?

Countering Trump’s extremism with still more extremism will do no good for any principle of freedom:
The policy of family separation could be brought to an end in one of two ways. The first is to do what Senator Ted Cruz has proposed: Hold those apprehended crossing the border illegally together with their children until they can be removed from the country as a family. Accomplishing that would require both authorizing new facilities and revising court-ordered rules that forbid the detention of children in immigration facilities.

But the Cruz concept has not won many friends across the aisle. Frank Sharry, the executive director of one of the most-quoted immigration advocacy groups, has reviled it as a plan for “family gulags.”

What many immigration advocates have in mind when they oppose “family separation” is preserving family unity by releasing the whole family together into the United States, pending a court date a year or two in the future. Ali Noorani, the executive director of the National Immigration Forum, has stated this demand: “Congress must explicitly end and prevent family separation and the indefinite detention of children.” If the children are not to be detained and the family not to be separated, the only alternative is to release the whole family into the United States until their application for asylum is resolved. Long before then, of course, most will have disappeared from official view entirely.

This was how things were managed during most of Barack Obama’s presidency. ...

As of the end of 2017, almost 300,000 Central Americans claimed some form of refugee or asylum status in the U.S., Mexico, Panama, or other receiving country, according to the UN High Commission on Refugees. (Strikingly, asylum claims are rising—up 58 percent over 2016—even as violence has steeply declined in Honduras and Guatemala.)

The sheer number of these claims is choking the American capacity to respond to them. Each claim must get an individual hearing. The facts are often complicated, since some of those expressing fear of criminal gangs were themselves previously involved in those gangs in one way or another. It takes longer and longer to adjudicate cases: a median of 43 days in fiscal 2006, 286 days in fiscal 2015, and almost certainly much longer than that by now. While something like 60 percent of asylum claims are rejected, a rejected asylum claim does not easily translate into a repatriated asylum claimant. ...

Writing in The Atlantic a year ago, my colleague Peter Beinart remarked on the increasingly unanimous opposition among Democrats to any form of immigration enforcement at all. “An undocumented alien is not a criminal,” Senator Kamala Harris protested last year. That view has been turbocharged over the past week. ...

Trump and his brutish methods are radicalizing his opponents. But those opponents still retain the choice not to be radicalized. The spreading view that immigration is a civil right and that immigration enforcement is totalitarian is an attack on democratic legality. It subordinates rules and norms to desires and passions. It is also a corrosion of the ideal of a constitutional state. Social-media outrage is manipulative and dangerous even when it appeals to generous sentiments. The generous sentiment quickly becomes a foundation for yet more of the division and anger ripping apart this American community.
Emphasis mine.
   1408. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5698129)
I'm taking my daughter to Las Vegas next week, we've been practicing counting cards in case nobody will notice a 9 year-old at the table. She actually shuffles pretty well considering she has tiny hands, we've been playing cards since she was about 5 to get her comfortable with arithmetic. Looking forward to when we can watch "Casino" together.
   1409. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5698132)
Perhaps because he's not a gullible fool?


Riiiggghhhht.
   1410. TDF, trained monkey Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5698134)
Trump and his brutish methods are radicalizing his opponents. But those opponents still retain the choice not to be radicalized. The spreading view that immigration is a civil right and that immigration enforcement is totalitarian is an attack on democratic legality. It subordinates rules and norms to desires and passions. It is also a corrosion of the ideal of a constitutional state.
And yet, America.
   1411. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5698135)
And I have no idea why JE thinks it’s uaccepptae for asylum applicant to be in the country pending a hearing.

Perhaps because he's not a gullible fool?


A reminder that Juan quoted a post from /pol as authoritative.
   1412. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5698137)

"Stephen actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border," an outside White House adviser said. "He's a twisted guy, the way he was raised and picked on. There's always been a way he's gone about this. He's Waffen-SS."

EDIT: FTR - I objected to usage of "Waffen-SS". Miller would more accurately be called "Allgemeine SS"... Hence why I referred to him as Himmler. Dude ain't no Otto Skorzeny commando.

Forget the Nazi comparisons. I'm content to just view Miller as a racist SOB whose views are a perfect reflections of Trump's and Sessions'. That's bad enough.

I wonder if JE's even willing to admit that much, or does he have another TIME cover to bring up?
   1413. Count Posted: June 22, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5698138)
You act out of what would be ignorance if it wasn’t explained so many times as if asylum applicants had not been routinely living and working outside of detention. This was not a crisis and you haven’t posited any reason it would be. Applicants have legal status and work. Arguing for their detention pending a hearing is needlessly cruel (and as Zonk discussed mandating determinations within 2 weeks is also absurd- you dont want people to languish for years, but it does take time to put together a case and legal briefs and get necessary evidence and affidavits from overseas, much of which ends up needing to be translated).

   1414. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5698149)
You act out of what would be ignorance if it wasn’t explained so many times as if asylum applicants had not been routinely living and working outside of detention. This was not a crisis and you haven’t posited any reason it would be. Applicants have legal status and work. Arguing for their detention pending a hearing is needlessly cruel (and as Zonk discussed mandating determinations within 2 weeks is also absurd- you dont want people to languish for years, but it does take time to put together a case and legal briefs and get necessary evidence and affidavits from overseas, much of which ends up needing to be translated).

Forget it, Count. To JE and the loathsome bastards he supports, fact checking is Fake News by definition. Let them have their fun claiming that escaping gang violence shouldn't be considered asylum worthy. Lucky for him that his ancestors who were fleeing pograms didn't run into Ellis Island cops who demanded that they prove their claims or else be sent back on the next boat.
   1415. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5698151)
You act out of what would be ignorance if it wasn’t explained so many times as if asylum applicants had not been routinely living and working outside of detention. This was not a crisis and you haven’t posited any reason it would be. Applicants have legal status and work. Arguing for their detention pending a hearing is needlessly cruel (and as Zonk discussed mandating determinations within 2 weeks is also absurd- you dont want people to languish for years, but it does take time to put together a case and legal briefs and get necessary evidence and affidavits from overseas, much of which ends up needing to be translated).
Yes, we know very well that immigration attorneys are making out like bandits. The rest of the country? Not so much.

You still refuse to articulate why those entering the United States ILLEGALLY should be allowed to do as they please inside the country while their asylum claims are pending.
   1416. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5698153)
Forget it, Count. To JE and the loathsome bastards he supports, fact checking is Fake News by definition.
Read any good Frum lately?
   1417. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5698154)
Trump and his brutish methods are radicalizing his opponents. But those opponents still retain the choice not to be radicalized. The spreading view that immigration is a civil right and that immigration enforcement is totalitarian is an attack on democratic legality. It subordinates rules and norms to desires and passions. It is also a corrosion of the ideal of a constitutional state. Social-media outrage is manipulative and dangerous even when it appeals to generous sentiments. The generous sentiment quickly becomes a foundation for yet more of the division and anger ripping apart this American community.


Bog standard "overton for me but not for thee!" dumbassery.

It's weak sauce whenever Concession Boy raises it and it doesn't get any stronger with more flowery words.

The fact that I think Trump represents a bigger danger than any ideology shouldn't require lefties to disarm on their broader policy aims.

So - hyperbole, narrative, and imagery were effectively employed by Trump but everybody else has to stick to dry legislative language?

Pass.

I would have - and depending on the day and how much Trump has pissed me off at a given moment - still would be willing to accept the 2013 Gang of Eight bill. I certainly do not love it. It certainly was not the bill I'd have written... but in the spirit of you can't get everything you want, I grudgingly backed it. Despite passing the Senate 68-32... despite Obama saying he'd sign it... despite the likelihood it would have passed a House vote, probably with room to spare. It got shelved.

It got shelved because a very loud minority (hey - maybe even majority) of one House caucus threw an absolute fit... and that absolute fit got amplified by the media organs most friendly to them.... and then we got Trump.

I respect Frum's Trump criticisms. But the idea that everybody BUT Trump and his loyal band shouldn't stoop to his machinations is just dumb.

When and if he's gone - and when and if the debate returns to a less-ridiculous fulcrum, I'll be happy to address lefty flanks where I disagree with them.

The fact is - at least until the third time - even current law says what these folks are doing is committing a misdemeanor. I'm not going to pretend that they're all class A felons just to be welcome at the right cocktail parties where tongues get clucked over Trump but the preferences are still well to the right of what I believe.

And the fact is - what I believe is that immigration to the US should be virtually unfettered. Oddly enough, given the traditionalists - I think immigration ought to parallel the manner it existed in the first century of the United States - essentially, come one, come all... until we started with claptrap like Chinese exclusion acts and western european preferences and the like.

Get rid of Trump - and the fulcrum shift he both rode to power on and continues fueling - goes away... and I'll care that crying children and heart-wrenching photos might be separating prior Trump voters from him. Until then? Whatever.

If FDR/Churchill can partner with Stalin - while neither demands the other "be like them", then this shouldn't be so hard.
   1418. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:37 PM (#5698157)
Yes, we know very well that immigration attorneys are making out like bandits. The rest of the country? Not so much.


You are seriously nuts if you think "immigration attorneys are making out like bandits".

I know one - she makes less money than I do (and I make no claims to being wealthy).

What's more - while having spent my entire professional life in legal publishing doesn't me an immigration law expert - I can certainly recognize revenue and practice areas. We don't publish anything in the realm of immigration law. Why? There's no money in it.

To extent anyone is "making out like bandits" - the money is solely in the relatively niche realms of the areas of investment where one can essentially buy themselves citizenship or a greencard. It might shock you to know that the market for people with half a million dollars is pretty small.
   1419. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:40 PM (#5698158)
Get rid of Trump
Yeah, it's gotten to the point that even Nancy Pelosi thinks you're batshit crazy and better off remaining in Canada.
   1420. Count Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5698159)
I’m not an immigration attorney, I worked on a case pro bono. I would imagine the vast majority of asylum applicants who get representation aren’t paying (either they are getting help pro bono or from a public interest group), but like plenty of people who don’t care about process or rights you pretend that rich lawyers are to blame.

People who enter illegally are committing a misdeamor. We don’t usually lock people up for years for that. The burden is on you to explain why they should be jailed pending a hearing (absent special evidence of danger to the public, which will be the exceptional case). For the umpteenth time, people who have a hearing pending have legal status and if they are paroled are allowed to and do work.
   1421. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5698161)
I know one - she makes less money than I do (and I make no claims to being wealthy).
I studied immigration law under one of the most prolific practitioners. Today I know maybe a half-dozen immigration lawyers, including those who handle more than just H-1Bs. They all do quite well.
   1422. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5698162)
I'm taking my daughter to Las Vegas next week

Why would you do this? It's approximately 600 degrees here right now. Come in December.
   1423. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5698164)
I studied immigration law under one of the most prolific practitioners. Today I know maybe a half-dozen immigration lawyers, including those who handle more than just H-1Bs. They all do quite well.


And you think they're getting rich representing people swimming across the Rio Grande after spending a week camping out at ports of entry at the Mexican border?

Do tell how this windfall comes to pass.

Does it involve George Soros?
   1424. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5698167)
People who enter illegally are committing a misdeamor. We don’t usually lock people up for years for that. The burden is on you to explain why they should be jailed pending a hearing (absent special evidence of danger to the public, which will be the exceptional case)

Count wants to pretend that the one case he handled is typical. Again, we are talking about folks who only raise claims for political asylum after they are apprehended crossing the border illegally. They have enormous incentives to fabricate claims, the vast majority don't prevail on their claims, and many don't even show up for their asylum hearings. It's foolish to simply release those claimants on a promise that they will show up.
   1425. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:55 PM (#5698168)
Count wants to pretend that the one case he handled is typical. Again, we are talking about folks who only raise claims for political asylum after they are apprehended crossing the border illegally. They have enormous incentives to fabricate claims, the vast majority don't prevail on their claims, and many don't even show up for their asylum hearings. It's foolish to simply release those claimants on a promise that they will show up.


So you're saying it's just like the time back in college the po-po popped me a couple buddies on the beach with a cooler of beer - and we swore up and down only the single person with us over 21 was drinking it, and decided the appropriate method of law enforcement was to watch us pour it out rather than taking us to jail?

I see.
   1426. TDF, trained monkey Posted: June 22, 2018 at 05:57 PM (#5698169)
Again, we are talking about folks who only raise claims for political asylum after they are apprehended crossing the border illegally.
I'm sure it's been pointed out numerous times in this thread, but you have to be on US soil to apply for asylum. Entering the country to seek asylum is perfectly legal.
   1427. Stormy JE Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:03 PM (#5698170)
I'm sure it's been pointed out numerous times in this thread, but you have to be on US soil to apply for asylum.
Right.
Entering the country via a port of entry to seek asylum is perfectly legal.
Right.
   1428. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:09 PM (#5698171)
Entering the country to seek asylum via a port of entry is.


...well nigh impossible lately.
   1429. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5698172)
Again, we are talking about folks who only raise claims for political asylum after they are apprehended crossing the border illegally.

I'm sure it's been pointed out numerous times in this thread, but you have to be on US soil to apply for asylum. Entering the country to seek asylum is perfectly legal.

Entering legally at an official point of entry is the preferred method for raising claims for political asylum. Those who do so are not arrested, nor separated from their family. Bending over backward in attempt to be fair, the U.S. also allows the so-called defensive claims for asylum, made only after the claimant has been apprehended illegally crossing the border. Even though the government processes these claims, it is not required to turn a blind eye to the fact that few of these claims are meritorious, and that many of the claimants would simply disappear if released.
   1430. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5698173)

David: Did it strike you that Gorsuch's opinion was written in a highly colloquial manner, more so than most other things that come out of the Court? I have to think that this is his genuine voice, as I find it hard to imagine some Clerk writing in that matter about putting Fido up for adoption or "Try that one out on your neighbors" or "the habits of raccoons don’t prove much about the habits of the country".
Oh, that's absolutely Gorsuch's style; you can see that in his circuit court opinions. (Kagan writes similarly colloquially, although I think her writing is better; some of his occasionally comes out sounding too forced.)
   1431. Count Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:11 PM (#5698175)
I assume most people don’t prevail on their asylum claims, but that doesn’t warrant jailing them pending a hearing! This is not some extraordinarily easy process. As I understand it the migrant has to show a credible fear of persecution to get to the next stage where a hearing is pending (the counter argument is that migrants are coached by evil lawyers and activists to come up with lies like “I underwent an arduous and extremely dangerous journey with my child to flee” because conservatives can’t imagine a world in which the poor and desperate aren’t just trying to screw them over).
   1432. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:12 PM (#5698177)
Entering legally at an official point of entry is the preferred method for raising claims for political asylum. Those who do so are not arrested, nor separated from their family. Bending over backward in attempt to be fair, the U.S. also allows the so-called defensive claims for asylum, made only after the claimant has been apprehended illegally crossing the border. Even though the government processes these claims, it is not required to turn a blind eye to the fact that few of these claims are meritorious, and that many of the claimants would simply disappear if released.


It might be helpful if you folks would clarify where it is necessary where no discretion should be allowed for purposes of law enforcement, prosecution, and the like.

Is immigration the only such area?

Or are there others?

   1433. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5698185)
I'm taking my daughter to Las Vegas next week

Why would you do this? It's approximately 600 degrees here right now


I asked her what she wanted to do on summer vacation and she said she wanted to hike the Grand Canyon. She has her mother’s red hair and Irish tempement, telling her “no” just steels her resolve.

It’ll be ok, we’re also going to go rafting in Moab and finish up with some hiking and fishing in Rocky Mountain National Park. Should be fun, her grandparents are meeting us at the Grand Canyon to join in on the fun. She just got out of school today so she needs something to burn off all that youthful energy.
   1434. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:46 PM (#5698191)
when you come across Moab Brewery, act surprised. Wait, your wife's Irish. so it's an aphrodisiac
   1435. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5698192)
Holy ####....

Just for grins and giggles and because I'm ironically, about to embark a trip back up to Evanston to see a show - I looked up the current state and local laws on my ill-fated beach day that was also ironically, probably about 20 years ago to the day (not gonna look up calendars... late June of 99). Granted, these are current laws - so not applicable (though, given the suburb is the birthplace of the WCTU and its alcohol ordinances are far looser than they used to be - I suspect they were even more onerous 20 years ago)... but anyway, near as I can tell (lawyers would explain how local vs state laws apply for what sounds like the same crime).

- up to one year in jail + $2500 for underage possession
- we did drive to the beach, that's another year and license suspension (current law on the state side sounds ridiculously broad - all passengers can be charged if it's the front seat, even unopened)
- up to one year + $2500 for the fake IDs (without getting into some legalese about 'each day')
- $500 local ordinance for alcohol on the beach
- $250 for glass on the beach

Yeesh... I come up with at least 3 years in jail and nearly $6000 in fines. I don't even want to imagine what the one buddy over 21 would have gotten.

No wonder I feel such kindred spirit with a mother and child who gathered up what they could carry, left their village after dad was killed - or hey, maybe was just violent himself - spent months riding rickety buses, arrived at the US border, were told the country was full, ran out of money, jumped on a raft to cross the border, and turned themselves in to the first guy in uniform they found.

I'm an arch-criminal just like they are!

I get it now... It is about morality... recognizing my own failure to abide by the rule of law... understanding the huge problem that was created when the officer rolled his eyes at stuttered exclamations that only one of us three was drinking from the coolered six-pack (of a brand of beer I will not mention out of embarrassment) and yeah... it is weird that our friend felt the need to have three brown-paper bags of beer bottles opened at once.... and oh geez, bottles and alcohol aren't allowed on the beach? We totally missed that sign that is 50 ft from where we are sitting and didn't see....

   1436. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:06 PM (#5698196)

I'm an arch-criminal just like they are!

I get it now... It is about morality... recognizing my own failure to abide by the rule of law.


shame! Shame!! SHAME!!!
   1437. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:13 PM (#5698201)
I asked her what she wanted to do on summer vacation and she said she wanted to hike the Grand Canyon. She has her mother’s red hair and Irish tempement, telling her “no” just steels her resolve.

It’ll be ok, we’re also going to go rafting in Moab and finish up with some hiking and fishing in Rocky Mountain National Park. Should be fun, her grandparents are meeting us at the Grand Canyon to join in on the fun. She just got out of school today so she needs something to burn off all that youthful energy.

There are an infinite number of natural marvels around here, so she has good taste, but I still think you're nuts. I walk a few hundred feet to my car in the summer, and I feel like I need to curl up into a ball and pass out.

Also, make sure your daughter is coated in sunblock (I say that with knowledge. Though I am about 97% Ashkenazi, the 3% of me that is Irish has manifested itself in the form of red hair and pale skin).
   1438. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:23 PM (#5698203)
We use lots of sunblock and know to reapply every 90 minutes. Her mother has amazing skin and it’s becsuse she’s always taken care of it in the sun.

Me, I had sunburn on top of sunburn as a kid in Miami, I’m lucky I’m not a cancerous crosslinked slab of naugahyde by now. I actually had an appointment with a dermatologist last week and she said, “For someone with some obvious areas of sun damage your skin is in really good condition,” so thank heaven for small miracles.
   1439. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:38 PM (#5698207)
Me, I had sunburn on top of sunburn as a kid in Miami, I’m lucky I’m not a cancerous crosslinked slab of naugahyde by now. I actually had an appointment with a dermatologist last week and she said, “For someone with some obvious areas of sun damage your skin is in really good condition,” so thank heaven for small miracles.

and yet your friends and family call you "Gator" behind your back

:)
   1440. Tom T Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5698212)
I studied immigration law under one of the most prolific practitioners. Today I know maybe a half-dozen immigration lawyers, including those who handle more than just H-1Bs. They all do quite well.


Well, duh...the O-1 visa application process is a flipping nightmare and costs a blasted fortune to pull it off year after year after year....

Lessee...to emulate (in an admittedly hyperbolic manner) Juannity....

I know maybe a half-dozen engineering faculty, including those do do more than just(!) teach, who make $300+K per year as their 10-month salary. They all do quite well. (Thus, *all* engineering faculty must be making around 50% of the major league minimum....)
   1441. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5698213)
and yet your friends and family call you "Gator" behind your back


Yeah but that’s just because I’m as cool and sexy as 1970s Burt Reynolds.
   1442. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:16 PM (#5698219)
I asked her what she wanted to do on summer vacation and she said she wanted to hike the Grand Canyon.

Please make sure you don't take for granted the temperature and distance of the hikes. Lots of water, and be prepared. People have very frequently made wrong turns and ended up in the hospital or dead from heat exhaustion while hiking in the Canyon.
   1443. zenbitz Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:30 PM (#5698230)
So fellow Republicans, should we ship the Statue of Liberty back to France or just file off the words at the bottom to restore it to it's original state.
   1444. zenbitz Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:32 PM (#5698232)
You still refuse to articulate why those entering the United States ILLEGALLY


Yes. Also in favor of not imprisoning those scoff laws who dare drive 80 in 65 zone.
   1445. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5698250)
I asked her what she wanted to do on summer vacation and she said she wanted to hike the Grand Canyon.

Please make sure you don't take for granted the temperature and distance of the hikes. Lots of water, and be prepared. People have very frequently made wrong turns and ended up in the hospital or dead from heat exhaustion while hiking in the Canyon


Her mother and I are veteran hikers and she did it for the first time when she was 9 years old, the reason my daughter wants to do it is because she saw the photos in an album. Don’t worry about us, I’ll be back trolling James Woods on Twitter in no time. Appreciate the concern though, that really is very thoughtful, but we know what we’re doing and where we’re going.

Plus my wife’s dad will be there and he’s a very serious and experienced hiker, nobody is getting on that trail until they have passed inspection. Seriously, I’ll bet you a Coke we will end up helping other hikers and giving them sunscreen and water and moleskin and whatnot.
   1446. perros Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5698254)
So fellow Republicans, should we ship the Statue of Liberty back to France or just file off the words at the bottom to restore it to it's original state.


Bloomberg could buy it to adorn his Mithraic HQ in London.
   1447. Shredder Posted: June 22, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5698256)
I asked her what she wanted to do on summer vacation and she said she wanted to hike the Grand Canyon. She has her mother’s red hair and Irish tempement, telling her “no” just steels her resolve.
In that case, you may want to pack some sunscreen.

Or what DotS said.
   1448. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:03 PM (#5698267)
If I die in the Canyon I leave my extensive collection of autographed baseball cards to BBTF. Jim can pass them out to represent Primeys.
   1449. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5698291)
As I said a few days ago if it were up to me I'd (a) significantly increase legal immigration from south of the border, (b) loosen the restrictions on grantable asylum claims, (c) not deport anyone except felons (though I'd turn people back if they're caught at the border), and (d) keep border security at current levels, while, on the other hand, (e) not granting amnesty or legal status. I feel that (c) and (e) offset each other. "We won't deport you unless you commit a felony, but we don't want to encourage illegal immigration more than it already is, so we won't grant you formal amnesty."

Thus my position is a lot closer to Andy's open borders crowd than it is to the Hannity crowd. Virtually all illegal immigrants I've met are good people. Hard workers, with families, and they stay out of trouble, in my experience.

I find the substance of the immigration debate to be an interesting one and, in a sane world, would still be a worthwhile discussion to have. But while I appreciate YC's efforts to introduce facts and reason into the discussion, the immigration "debate" is effectively over. Andy's open borders crowd has won, because they've succeeded in framing this issue as one of racism and bigotry. "Either you agree with us, or you're a racist or bigot." This is effectively the strategy that was used to win other culture war debates, and the strategy works very well. People don't want to be cast as racists or bigots. So they stop debating the issue with people who disagree with them; thus they go underground, keep their opinions to themselves, or share them only with like-minded people. Their only recourse for effecting change is to vote at the polls, where nobody can watch which lever they pull and thus nobody can call them a bigot for voting for candidate X or candidate Y.

Mind you I don't say that the actual fight to prevent the country from becoming one of virtual open borders is over; granted that fight probably *is* over, though it will take another 10 years to get there. But the public discussion is over, for the reasons noted above.

This week represented the final toppling of the ability of the two sides to debate this issue. The open borders crowd, besides using the tactics I noted above, are simply too irrational to have a reasoned discussion with. They've taken to labeling ICE a terrorist organization; it's effective branding, and that label -- however ridiculous -- will stick. They've compared the detention centers to death camps. They've said that separation children from their families was the stuff of Hitler. They've said that people who have a different opinion than them about illegal immigration are necessarily racists. You can't debate people with these unhinged views.

Take the separating children issue. It wasn't a good thing, but the stated harm to the children was vastly _over_stated. Go to any day care in the country and you can get images of children crying uncontrollably after being separated from their parents. But as a society we have deemed that this is not only acceptable but is necessary for the children to mature. Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents and you will not be able to tell which is which.

That's one reason why the pictures and videos are propaganda. The problem with the Time Magazine photo is not the fake news aspect that this particular child and parent weren't actually separated when the photo was snapped -- the photo DOES do a good job standing in for what generally was happening there -- but was instead that this photo could have been snapped many times over in any daycare in the country on any morning and nobody would have been able to separate the daycare photos from the detention center photos.

The administration had a point about child trafficking. But nobody in the open borders crowd was rational enough to hear it. In my view the US government has a moral obligation to ensure that the children they encounter illegally crossing the border with an adult aren't being trafficked. Trump was faced with an impossible choice: keep the children in the detention centers or increase the chances that children will be trafficked. Trump didn't have the necessary data to determine which was worse so he actually couldn't make an informed decision, but his critics were baying at the moon so he had to provide them with the imaginary solution they were demanding in order to make the high pitched screams stop, which he did by trading one humanitarian child crisis for another.

His critics didn't know what to do with _that_ of course, so they came up with one of the worst arguments that people make after they bully others to get their way: they say the person who was bullied "caved." They say he was weak.

Some Hitler he is.
   1450. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5698292)
I Don’t Know How To Explain To You That You Should Care About Other People

Pretty sure Galt's Gulch can field this one. Guys?
   1451. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:23 PM (#5698294)
Take the separating children issue. It wasn't a good thing, but the stated harm to the children was vastly _over_stated. Go to any day care in the country and you can get images of children crying uncontrollably after being separated from their parents. But as a society we have deemed that this is not only acceptable but is necessary for the children to mature. Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents and you will not be able to tell which is which.


Once again. I. Don't. Know. What. To. Say. This has to be the most obtuse post in the history of this site, excluding bear of course.
   1452. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:28 PM (#5698295)
As I said a few days ago if it were up to me I'd (a) significantly increase legal immigration from south of the border, (b) loosen the restrictions on grantable asylum claims, (c) not deport anyone except felons (though I'd turn people back if they're caught at the border), and (d) keep border security at current levels, while, on the other hand, (e) not granting amnesty or legal status. I feel that (c) and (e) offset each other. "We won't deport you unless you commit a felony, but we don't want to encourage illegal immigration more than it already is, so we won't grant you formal amnesty."


The problem with this is that e begets c. "You can stay here as long as you don't commit crime, but you can't work legally, so don't try or we'll deport you." I understand your queasiness with amnesty, and I don't disagree, but if you are going to allow them to stay, you have to allow them to work.
   1453. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:31 PM (#5698296)
Forget it, Count. To JE and the loathsome bastards he supports, fact checking is Fake News by definition.

Read any good Frum lately?


Only what you posted, but obviously I've read a lot more Trump / Sessions / Nielsen than you've been doing. You avoid reading and thinking about those three like a Mets fan avoids the months of May and June.

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I assume most people don’t prevail on their asylum claims, but that doesn’t warrant jailing them pending a hearing! This is not some extraordinarily easy process. As I understand it the migrant has to show a credible fear of persecution to get to the next stage where a hearing is pending (the counter argument is that migrants are coached by evil lawyers and activists to come up with lies like “I underwent an arduous and extremely dangerous journey with my child to flee” because conservatives can’t imagine a world in which the poor and desperate aren’t just trying to screw them over).

Count, the only way that JE or Clapper would ever be convinced of the legitimacy of most of those gang violence claims would be to parachute the two of them into one of those gang-infested neighborhoods in El Salvador or Guatemala and let them obtain a good first hand education. Nothing short of that is likely to persuade them.

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Andy's open borders crowd

You're now down to about 85 bottles of beer on the wall. Let's see if you can clear the entire rack by the All-Star break.
   1454. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5698299)
Take the separating children issue. It wasn't a good thing, but the stated harm to the children was vastly _over_stated. Go to any day care in the country and you can get images of children crying uncontrollably after being separated from their parents. But as a society we have deemed that this is not only acceptable but is necessary for the children to mature. Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents and you will not be able to tell which is which.

Come back after Mom's work day is over and repeat that little experiment. Real day care centers don't operate around the clock.
   1455. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5698300)
The problem with this is that e begets c. "You can stay here as long as you don't commit crime, but you can't work legally, so don't try or we'll deport you." I understand your queasiness with amnesty, and I don't disagree, but if you are going to allow them to stay, you have to allow them to work.


I would (if I were dictator) allow them to work. As I said I wouldn't deport anyone who is not a felon.
   1456. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5698303)
I would (if I were dictator) allow them to work. As I said I wouldn't deport anyone who is not a felon.


How does that comport with this:

(e) not granting amnesty or legal status.


do you :

a) allow them to work off the books for cash and not pay taxes?

b) give them a tax ID number so they can pay appropriate income and payroll taxes.

c) something else?

If it's b, doesn't that give them legal status?
   1457. greenback slays lewks Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:37 PM (#5698304)
In my view the US government has a moral obligation to ensure that the children they encounter illegally crossing the border with an adult aren't being trafficked. Trump was faced with an impossible choice: keep the children in the detention centers or increase the chances that children will be trafficked.

I know they don't have DNA testing in episodes of Mannix, but we do now. Google tells me that results from such tests can be generated in 1-2 days. Sessions apparently told Tony Perkins that the authorities are looking into ways to implement such tests. There is an obvious question though, of why they didn't do this sooner, before implementing a nonsensical zero tolerance policy. The simplest answer is that trafficking is just the latest fig leaf to a policy designed to punish brown people.
   1458. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:41 PM (#5698306)
do you :

a) allow them to work off the books for cash and not pay taxes?

b) give them a tax ID number so they can pay appropriate income and payroll taxes.

c) something else?

If it's b, doesn't that give them legal status?


It's (a).
   1459. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:43 PM (#5698307)
It's (a).


Would that apply only to illegals, or could anyone work for cash and not pay taxes? Could I?
   1460. Lassus Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:09 AM (#5698309)
In my view the US government has a moral obligation to ensure that the children they encounter illegally crossing the border with an adult aren't being trafficked. Trump was faced with an impossible choice: keep the children in the detention centers or increase the chances that children will be trafficked.
But those instances of family fraud are a tiny fraction of the total number of families apprehended at the southwestern border: 0.06 percent of nearly 76,000 families in the 2017 fiscal year
I've been told seatbelt and helmet laws infringe upon my freedom due to the low number of events.
   1461. Lassus Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:13 AM (#5698310)
Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents

Four hours, four months, four years, whatever.
   1462. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:27 AM (#5698311)
Don't think this has been mentioned yet:

Noted Liberal George Will urges conservative to vote against the GOP

George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, made a dramatic exit from the Republican Party Friday, citing the party’s support for Donald Trump in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.

In a speech at a luncheon held by the Federalist Society, Will urged other conservatives not to support Trump as the GOP nominee. “This is not my party,” Will said the speech, noting that while it’s a little too late to find a replacement for him on the ticket, conservatives can “grit their teeth for four years” after making sure that Trump loses.

Will mentioned that he had switched his voter registration from Republican to “unaffiliated” in the state of Maryland. He told the Washington Post, where he writes a column, that he made the change several weeks ago, after House Speaker Paul Ryan endorsed Trump for the 2020 election.


Let's hope he's not the last to leave the Republican Party.
   1463. Chip Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:32 AM (#5698312)
Trump DOJ punting on prosecutions of major felony drug smuggling cases in order to shift resources to stopping misdemeanor immigration violations.
   1464. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:34 AM (#5698313)
Trump DOJ punting on prosecutions of major felony drug smuggling cases in order to shift resources to stopping misdemeanor immigration violations.


Sadly, not surprising. Ray and Clapper and JE, and other Trumpkins love to label liberals as virtue signalers, but Trump is the biggest virtue signaler in the history of virtue signaling.
   1465. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:39 AM (#5698314)
Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents and you will not be able to tell which is which.


If this isn't an attempt at trolling, then this might be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen written on this site.

   1466. zenbitz Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:39 AM (#5698315)
Well, shockingly I don't think drugs should illegal *either* so it's hard to work up any outrage over that.
   1467. zenbitz Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:42 AM (#5698316)
I kinda like you Ray, but really you should drop the "adult in the room" act, it's quite pathetic.
   1468. perros Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:31 AM (#5698318)
If Ray disappeared, nary a bloodhound would care.
   1469. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:32 AM (#5698319)
Sadly, not surprising. Ray and Clapper and JE, and other Trumpkins love to label liberals as virtue signalers, but Trump is the biggest virtue signaler in the history of virtue signaling


If there’s one thing the Trumpification of the Republican Party has decisively confirmed it’s the absolute and utter fraudulence of their decades-long “family values” PR facade. There is no sincere morality underpinning their policies and edicts and there never was. Literally the moment it became politically advantageous to embrace a intemperate adulterous avaricious narcissist, the tongue-clucking, pearl-clutching moralists of the past suddenly lost their keen sense of spiritual rectitude. Suddenly it wasn’t their place to condemn the moral failings of worldly men.

Those of us who aren’t complete idiots had long ago realized that a group that collectively winnows down the entirety of their holy texts to “queers are abominations” and “pipe down and obey, missy” was obviously disingenuous in their motives. Absent overt virtue signaling, they’d never have anything to say. Our own Trumpist Triumverate of Juan, Little Lord Fauntleray, and the newly-minted Maltese Blumpkin face a daily battle for who can virtue signal the most vociferously, like watching three aged strippers escalate their debasement to grab those last few bucks from the the audience.

And it’s all your fault hippies. Ultimately you made this happen. Ask them, they’ll tell you. Tsk tsk.
   1470. perros Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:36 AM (#5698320)
Actually, a society that thinks nothing of the sufferings of tiny children in daycare sure won't give a #### about a bunch of little wetbacks.
   1471. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:23 AM (#5698321)

I Don’t Know How To Explain To You That You Should Care About Other People

Pretty sure Galt's Gulch can field this one. Guys?
That's an old piece. And, checking... nope, it didn't get any less stupid.

In the spirit of that headline, though: I don't know how to explain to you the difference between spending your own money and spending other people's money.
   1472. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:27 AM (#5698322)
To people who can't figure out the difference between me explaining something and me endorsing it, I am doing the former:
How does that comport with this:

(e) not granting amnesty or legal status.

do you :
a) allow them to work off the books for cash and not pay taxes?
b) give them a tax ID number so they can pay appropriate income and payroll taxes.
c) something else?

If it's b, doesn't that give them legal status?
No, it doesn't give them legal status. It describes the current situation. It is illegal for illegals to work in the U.S., but if they do, they are still required to pay taxes. The IRS issues TINs for that purpose. That doesn't change the fact that they're not allowed to work here.
   1473. Lassus Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:48 AM (#5698323)
Did not disappoint.
   1474. RobertMachemer Posted: June 23, 2018 at 06:40 AM (#5698324)
Take the separating children issue. It wasn't a good thing, but the stated harm to the children was vastly _over_stated. Go to any day care in the country and you can get images of children crying uncontrollably after being separated from their parents. But as a society we have deemed that this is not only acceptable but is necessary for the children to mature. Take photos and videos of (1) children crying at daycare after being separated from their parents vs (2) children crying at the detention centers after being separated from their parents and you will not be able to tell which is which.


Longtime lurker emerging from the bushes to address this...

Ray, others may not answer you on this because they are aghast. I share their dismay, but will make a single attempt.

Crying children may all look alike, but that does not mean that all reasons for crying are equal. You would not dismiss the dismemberment victim's tears as being equivalent to the paper cut victim's, presumably. Likewise, here. Not that you should dismiss the tears of the child dropped off at day care, whose ability to wrap their head around time is still developing. But the kid in day care CAN be comforted with words that may not soothe until proven true repeatedly: "your parents will be back later to get you." The immigrating kids howling for parents here and now cannot be similarly reassured with any confidence when/if they will be reunited. That's a BIG deal.
   1475. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 23, 2018 at 07:57 AM (#5698325)
If this isn't an attempt at trolling, then this might be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen written on this site.
I kinda like you Ray, but really you should drop the "adult in the room" act, it's quite pathetic.
If Ray disappeared, nary a bloodhound would care.



And yet some people engage him, rather than just mocking him. Wake up, white people!
   1476. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 23, 2018 at 07:58 AM (#5698326)

Ray, others may not answer you on this because they are aghast. I share their dismay, but will make a single attempt.


You'll be sorry.
   1477. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5698332)
Crying children may all look alike, but that does not mean that all reasons for crying are equal. You would not dismiss the dismemberment victim's tears as being equivalent to the paper cut victim's, presumably. Likewise, here. Not that you should dismiss the tears of the child dropped off at day care, whose ability to wrap their head around time is still developing. But the kid in day care CAN be comforted with words that may not soothe until proven true repeatedly: "your parents will be back later to get you." The immigrating kids howling for parents here and now cannot be similarly reassured with any confidence when/if they will be reunited. That's a BIG deal.


And that is so bleeding obvious, it shouldn't have to be explained to anyone with an IQ higher than a house cat.
   1478. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 23, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5698333)
And that is so bleeding obvious, it shouldn't have to be explained to anyone with an IQ higher than a house cat.


House cats exhibit compassion.
   1479. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 23, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5698336)
Shorter 1449:

It was probably a long term miscalculation by winner Trump to spin hyperbole over Mexican rapists, unending MS-13 hordes, and the infestation from ######## countries because the inevitable and obvious counter-narrative of imagery will be more effective and thus radically realign the debate in an unfavorable way.

   1480. Greg K Posted: June 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM (#5698337)
House cats exhibit compassion.

Not the ones I've encountered!
   1481. dlf Posted: June 23, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5698346)
People have very frequently made wrong turns and ended up in the hospital or dead from heat exhaustion while hiking in the Canyon.


Different desert, but I still miss Doug Pappas. His writing about financial issues in baseball were must reads during and surrounding the '94 strike and Expos shenanigans.
   1482. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5698366)
Not the ones I've encountered!


They're also good judges of character. ;-)
   1483. dlf Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5698375)
George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement ...


Will spoke to a seminar class I took in college ~30 years ago then went with about a half dozen of us to dinner. After a couple of political questions and answers that seemed both bored and rehearsed, I got to ask him a question. I don't remember exactly what it was other than it was about the Cubs. That was the last political question of the night as he then engaged in a long discussion with me and one other baseball fan going from Three Finger Brown and Frank Chance to Rick Sutcliffe and Ryne Sandberg. It was about 2-3 years before he wrote Men at Work, and it was the first time I realized he was a passionate fan, and not someone who would just throw an occasional cultural reference into his columns.
   1484. tshipman Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5698386)
Seriously unbelievable:

As he sought to claim that illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at a higher rate than US citizens, Mr Trump was flanked by victims’ families holding a total of 11 photos of their dead relatives. In an unusual combination of bereavement and celebrity, all 11 photos were autographed by the president.

   1485. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5698388)
all 11 photos were autographed by the president.


Did he write "warmest condolences?"
   1486. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5698391)
Don’t worry about us, I’ll be back trolling James Woods on Twitter in no time.

Lucky for you, James Woods is in Vegas right now. I see him several days a week at the Rio. It would be very easy for you to take a break from the heat, and troll the man in person.
   1487. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5698397)
As he sought to claim that illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at a higher rate than US citizens, Mr Trump was flanked by victims’ families holding a total of 11 photos of their dead relatives. In an unusual combination of bereavement and celebrity, all 11 photos were autographed by the president.

That's got to be the most quintessentially Trumpian gesture ever. I'm only surprised he didn't add how much they might go for on ebay.
   1488. Srul Itza Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5698420)
Don't think this has been mentioned yet:

Noted Liberal George Will urges conservative to vote against the GOP


You left out the best part:


On Friday, Will published a column in the Washington Post that further explained his view, using the kind of excoriating language his columns are known for. The column, titled “Vote against the GOP this November,” argued that the number of Republicans in Congress “must be substantially reduced.”

Quoting from a variety of works, such as Robert Bolt’s play A Man for All Seasons and The Federalist Papers, Will also found caustic words of his own for Republican leaders, notably Ryan. The House Speaker, Will wrote, “sold his soul… for a tax cut” and had become one of “the president’s poodles.”
   1489. Srul Itza Posted: June 23, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5698422)
Oh, and apparently Will is aware of Ray, JE and YC and their like:


Meaningless noise is this administration’s appropriate libretto because, just as a magnet attracts iron filings, Trump attracts, and is attracted to, louts



   1490. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5698482)
That is a brutal line.
   1491. McCoy Posted: June 23, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5698494)
Sarah Sanders kicked out of a restaurant last night.
   1492. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5698496)
Good.
   1493. dlf Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5698500)
So apparently a business owner should be allowed a different set of standards for discriminating based on political beliefs than sexual orientation or color of skin? I do wish restaurants would discriminate based on age -- I hate sitting next to a table with unruly kids when I'm having a fancy meal. Similarly, when I am spending $100+ per plate, I'd just as soon not be sitting next to someone in shorts and flip-flops. And of course loud boorish drunks should be shown to the taxi stand. But I may be weird in that I will happily dine with people of any race, religion, national origin, physical handicap, sexual orientation or political belief. Maybe -- I'll admit this is stretching it -- even fans of the New York American League baseball franchise.
   1494. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5698508)
So apparently a business owner should be allowed a different set of standards for discriminating based on political beliefs than sexual orientation or color of skin?


I don't take the position lightly. This is not merely matter of a political disagreements, as if it was a budget dispute. This administration is engaging in a deliberate policy of cruelty against children for the purpose of scoring political points. It's a horrible, deplorable policy, and anyone who works to support it is a horrible, deplorable person. If the worst that happens to them is a little harmless humiliation, well, that's too good for them.
   1495. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:20 PM (#5698509)
Sarah Sanders kicked out of a restaurant last night.


A spokesperson for the restaurant says this never happened.
   1496. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5698510)
A spokesperson for the restaurant says this never happened.


a). too bad

b) if she made up the story to try to change the optics, she's more deplorable than I originally thought.
   1497. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5698511)
   1498. McCoy Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:26 PM (#5698512)
A spokesperson for the restaurant says this never happened.

The owner of the restaurant said it happened. She said she has a few gay employees and she asked the staff if they wanted her gone and they said yes so she asked them to leave.
   1499. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5698513)
A spokesperson for the restaurant says this never happened.


Seems the owner has confirmed it:

The owner Stephanie Wilkinson told The Washington Post in an interview Saturday that she "would have done the same thing again."

Wilkinson told the Post that she asked Sanders to leave at the request of her staff.

"I explained that the restaurant has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation," Wilkinson recalled to The Post of her confrontation with Sanders. "I said, 'I'd like to ask you to leave.'"
   1500. tshipman Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5698514)
You guys are missing the joke that Sarah Huckabee Sanders regularly tells baldfaced lies.
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