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OTP 2018 June 18: How Life Imitates the Congressional Baseball Game

“This game is a situation of which, you’re a product of your political success, so if you have a good political year, you have a good recruiting year for this game.” So said former Rep. David Bonior, D-Mich., many years ago about the Congressional Baseball Game and the teams each party gets to field.

Washington is host to the 2018 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, known among fans as the midsummer classic. But Capitol Hill has staged its own midsummer classic every year for more than five decades, the Congressional Baseball Game.

 

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Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:15 AM | 1775 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   701. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5696039)
Let me spell it out for you. It is only lawful because your dictator here has crafted a zero tolerance policy. The parents are legally trying to seek asylum and that option has been denied them because Trump and friends have shut down the places where that happens. Trump and all associated with him (including all who defend him) should be forced to live in cages. Luckily for society, it looks like that will happen for many of them. I see Manafort has his cage. Who will be next?

At this point, the most efficient solution would be to drop a giant barbed wire cage over the White House in the middle of one of Trump's cabinet meetings. Keep them all in preventive detention until his term runs out, take their phones away, and cut them all off from any communication with the outside world that doesn't involve a suicide note. Think of all the money it would save us taxpayers.
   702. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5696043)
Paul Ryan as Lucy as placeholder.

Yeah, nothing will get done tomorrow.


He's such an idiot.

If he truly wants to pass something, the obvious way to do it is a snap vote.

Give the deplorables a day and talk radio, Alex Jones, and the rest of the Sturmabteilung will be sure to sink it.

   703. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5696045)
If he truly wants to pass something, the obvious way to do it is a snap vote.


What makes you think he really wants to pass something?
   704. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5696050)
At this point, the most efficient solution would be to drop a giant barbed wire cage over the White House in the middle of one of Trump's cabinet meetings. Keep them all in preventive detention until his term runs out, take their phones away, and cut them all off from any communication with the outside world that doesn't involve a suicide note. Think of all the money it would save us taxpayers.


You're too kind to them, Andy. :)
   705. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5696054)
What makes you think he really wants to pass something?


It's a thinly disguised attempt to try to get the Democrats to share some of the bad PR generated by the border situation. As I am seeing and hearing, this is the same deplorable immigration bill rejected by the Democrats several months ago, with the only sweetener being "If you sign, we will release the hostages". The reason for the 24 hour delay, is so that the R's can get as much face time on TV to get out their message that when this fails, it will be the Democrats fault.

Ryan doesn't want this bill to pass, but he wants to be able to blame the Democrats. So, it will come up for a vote, and magically, just enough Republicans will vote against it, along with all the D's, that it will fail and he will have his talking point.

And the hostage taking will continue.
   706. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5696056)
We almost need a separate category for "Trump's lawyer in legal hot water" -

But also should be noted that Rudy said yesterday that the FBI had interviewed him about his rather suspicious Kreskin act in the waning days of the 2016 election.

By the time we get to impeachment, I can almost guarantee you'll actually be reading things like "The attorney for the attorney representing the attorney for Trump had no comment..."
   707. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5696059)
If he truly wants to pass something, the obvious way to do it is a snap vote.


Am I the only one who immediately thought of "Men on Film" (& I only saw the show maybe twice because it was on in the laundromat)?
   708. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5696060)
Martin Schulz
‏Verified account @MartinSchulz

Donald Trump ist ein echter Experte in Sachen Kriminalstatistik: Schweigegeld für Pornostars, illegale Russlandkontakte plus ein inhaftierter Wahlkampfmanager.
12:28 AM - 20 Jun 2018


Google tells me -

Donald Trump is a real expert in crime statistics: Silence for porn stars, illegal Russia contacts plus a detained campaign manager.

Substitute 'hush money' for 'silence,' and you are golden.
   709. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5696062)

Jill Colvin
‏Verified account @colvinj

BREAKING: AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it.
   710. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5696064)
BREAKING: AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it.


This is beautiful. Trump once again pantsing congressional Republicans.
   711. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5696068)
Ryan doesn't want this bill to pass, but he wants to be able to blame the Democrats. So, it will come up for a vote, and magically, just enough Republicans will vote against it, along with all the D's, that it will fail and he will have his talking point.


So he is not an idiot? Or do you think he is an idiot and this plan will fail?

I think we agree he is a hypocrite and not nearly as smart as some want to believe. In any event that may be their plan, but I really doubt it will succeed in foisting any blame onto the Democrats.

Democratic narrative: The GOP Trump administration is ripping crying children from their families. He is the video, audio, and pictures. Here is the bipartisan condemnation.

Republican narrative: Democrats and some Republicans wouldn't vote for a law preventing this horrible thing from happening just because it did a whole bunch of other stuff. Who cares that we have majority and control of the White House.

The Democratic narrative is much simpler, cleaner and has pictures. Seriously the Trump administration couldn't make illegal immigrants more sympathetic if that is what they set out to do.
   712. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5696070)
Paul Ryan as Lucy as placeholder.

The analogy works if, instead of deliberately pulling the ball away last second, Lucy simply fumbled the snap.

I would go with a center, who launches the ball back over the QB's head, through the endzone for a safety.
Most of these work. They are hilarious btw, I recommend watching the whole thing.
   713. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5696072)
I think we agree he is a hypocrite and not nearly as smart as some want to believe. In any event that may be their plan, but I really doubt it will succeed in foisting any blame onto the Democrats.


It's a Hail Mary, but it's all they got. They cannot pass any bill that Trump will sign, and if the report in #709 is true, Trump just cut their knees off.
   714. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5696073)
BREAKING: AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it.


This is beautiful. Trump once again pantsing congressional Republicans.


I'd almost feel bad for them if they weren't such cowardly, cucked, co-conspirators.... well, other than the true believers like the whackjob caucus.

As it stands, it's really just a Mark Sanford here, a Jeff Flake there that gets sympathy from me.

#### 'em. The whole crew of rats can sink with the good ship Trump.

   715. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5696080)
It's a Hail Mary, but it's all they got. They cannot pass any bill that Trump will sign, and if the report in #709 is true, Trump just cut their knees off.


Well they could pass a law to stop ripping children away from their parents. That would get more than enough votes to pass*. But that would involve not being horrible, so that is right out.

* Perhaps even enough to override a veto, who wants to go on record as voting against it? (EDIT: I am asserting it would get 100% Democratic votes, BTW)
   716. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5696082)
At this point, the most efficient solution would be to drop a giant barbed wire cage over the White House in the middle of one of Trump's cabinet meetings. Keep them all in preventive detention until his term runs out, take their phones away, and cut them all off from any communication with the outside world that doesn't involve a suicide note. Think of all the money it would save us taxpayers.

You're too kind to them, Andy. :)


It's more my desire to keep unnecessary government spending down to a minimum, and keeping these bozos under lock and key for the next 19 months** is one proposal where I'm sure we could find some Mexican funding.

** That's 19 months to the day, followed by collective deportation via shipping crate and boxcar to Argentina Hungary.
   717. DavidFoss Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5696088)
Wilbur Ross certainly picked the right week to do something stupid. Conflicts of interest are one thing, but shorting a stock days before a news report? Looks like no one is going to care because we're all numb to scandals now. How big of a scandal would this be in a different administration?
   718. Lassus Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5696092)
Speaking of scandals, you should all go over and confirm your attendance at the softball game.
   719. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5696093)
In a democratic administration? YUUUUGE. There would be much talk of swamp draining and up-locking.

In a Republican administration? That just makes him smart.
   720. GordonShumway Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5696096)
As it stands, it's really just a Mark Sanford here, a Jeff Flake there that gets sympathy from me.


Why?

They might occasionally mouth some critical words re: Cheeto Benito*, but they always end up voting in line with the rest of the GOP.

*C'mon. Cheeto Benito is a much more fitting and catchier nickname than ClownHitler.
   721. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5696097)
Wilbur Ross certainly picked the right week to do something stupid. Conflicts of interest are one thing, but shorting a stock days before a news report? Looks like no one is going to care because we're all numb to scandals now. How big of a scandal would this be in a different administration?


He and Ryan Zinke both.

Truly breathtaking.

You can toss that on the pile that includes the too numerous to count Pruitt scandals, Ben Carson steering government business towards his son, and on and on and on and on it goes.

   722. DavidFoss Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5696104)
He and Ryan Zinke both.

Huh... I actually thought Ryan Zinke had resigned already because some travel expenditure thing from last year. I guess that was just Tom Price.

Gotta feel bad for Price. Too much usage of private jets is nothing, now.
   723. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5696106)
How big of a scandal would this be in a different administration?


Every. Single. Day. There is something in the Trump regime that would have been the biggest scandal ever under Obama.

   724. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5696107)
As it stands, it's really just a Mark Sanford here, a Jeff Flake there that gets sympathy from me.

Why?

They might occasionally mouth some critical words re: Cheeto Benito*, but they always end up voting in line with the rest of the GOP.


I'm OK with bog standard disagreements on policy.... well, not "OK" - but it's an expected and healthy thing.

I actually don't think it's reasonable to expect actual conservatives who want nothing to do with the Trump cult to start adopting the Democratic platform.

They're not giving mealy-mouthed "not the way I'd put it" weasel words like the Senate's chinless wonder or Paulie Nonuts - Flake, Sanford, toss Sasse into the group... maybe McCain (who, of course, actually did cast the vote to sink the ACA repeal).

   725. spycake Posted: June 20, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5696112)
BREAKING: AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it.


His Twitter suggests he is aware and willing to sign:

It's the Democrats fault, they won't give us the votes needed to pass good immigration legislation. They want open borders, which breeds horrible crime. Republicans want security. But I am working on something - it never ends!


I love the "it never ends!" part.
   726. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5696117)
"I will be signing something in a little while," is the Trump quote
   727. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5696128)
"I will be signing something in a little while," is the Trump quote


Ray will be devastated to find out the Trumpkin line he's been peddling all week turns out to be incorrect (or dishonest... or both).

Maybe he'll use some of his toddler expertise to express himself.
   728. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5696136)
I love the "it never ends!" part.


First true thing he's ever said.
   729. Spahn Insane Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5696142)
Maybe he'll use some of his toddler expertise to express himself.

How would we know?
   730. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5696147)
How would we know?


I assume he'll stop soiling his diapers.
   731. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5696148)
Is the cookie monster in Trump Tower around this morning?
   732. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5696152)

How freaking stupid do you have to be,
to think that harassing government officials outside of their work is a good idea?
   733. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5696154)

Edit: By the way, I hate the trend of one sentence paragraphs. The author of the linked piece may have been paid not by the word but by the paragraph.
That's a relic of the print newspaper. With narrow columns, one sentence paragraphs are often just the right length.
   734. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5696157)
to think that harassing government officials outside of their work is a good idea?


According to the DHS statement, it was a "work dinner"... so it wasn't outside of work.
   735. PepTech Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5696160)
At some point you just have to laugh. The last time I laughed this hard at a Ray post was when he was explaining how illegals always litter when they're remodeling homes.
   736. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5696165)
to think that harassing government officials outside of their work is a good idea?


how stupid to you have to be that going up and lying to the american people on the behalf of an evil madman doesn't have consequences? Luckily for her we don't live in a libertarian fantasy and she had her security detail. In Deadwood they would have shot her ass.
   737. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5696168)
Reposting from previous --

“While having a work dinner tonight,” the spokesman said, “the secretary and her staff heard from a small group of protesters who share her concern with our current immigration laws that have created a crisis on our southern border. The secretary encourages all — including this group — who want to see an immigration system that works, that contributes to our economy, that protects our security, and that reflects our values to reach out to members of Congress and seek their support to close the terrible immigration loopholes that have made our system a mess.”


So - while working, the Secretary and her staff heard from protesters who share her concerns.

What's the problem?
   738. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5696187)
In Deadwood they would have shot her ass.


Actually, in Deadwood they would have applauded the effort to watch the border closely. They likely would have picked up her check.

Because of the echo chamber you live in, you and yours are vastly overestimating the support for your niche open border preference. In the EU, US, and similarly-situated countries, it's small -- to put it charitably.
   739. Spahn Insane Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5696189)
The last time I laughed this hard at a Ray post was when he was explaining how illegals always litter when they're remodeling homes.

I must've missed that one.
   740. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5696193)
Now that Trump has finally caved and said he's signing an E.O. to end family separations at the border, I wonder how soon it'll take for the cable jockeys (and Howie) to say that he's acting "presidential".
   741. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5696194)
As much as I'm sure this is quite correct -

Trump's Ploy

The President says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. The actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. According to The New York Times, the President will sign an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days (technically what’s currently happening isn’t detention). It straight up violates that order. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.


I don't see the wisdom of this 'ploy'... First, I imagine that it would take months for any action to be brought - IOW, probably smack dab in election season. What, the Trumpkins think it's gonna play better in re-runs? Second, it seems like it would put the DOJ in a rather precarious position, no? In effect - what do they do... Toss the defense of the Trump EO? Make really bad arguments because they actually WANT the court to rule against their EO? Hard for me to see a court being stupid enough not to have a real problem with the whole series of events.

So sure, it's a ploy... but it seems like an especially dumb one to me.
   742. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5696196)

Actually, in Deadwood they would have applauded the effort to watch the border closely. They likely would have picked up her check.
When Deadwood was Deadwood, nobody watched any borders closely. There were essentially no limits on immigration.
   743. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5696197)
Because of the echo chamber you live in, you and yours are vastly overestimating the support for your niche open border preference. In the EU, US, and similarly-situated countries, it's small -- to put it charitably.


lol, I don't want an open border. Haven't you heard my many rants about Chinese in Seattle? I want an immigration policy that WORKS and isn't hatched from the demented, cruel mind of Stephen Miller.
   744. Srul Itza Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5696198)
Cohen feels increasingly isolated from the President, whom he has been famously loyal to for more than a decade


As Ned Stark said to the Kingslayer: You served him well, when serving was safe.
   745. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5696201)
Actually, in Deadwood they would have applauded the effort to watch the border closely. They likely would have picked up her check.


Um, no.

Considering the actual settlers and early pioneers of Deadwood were actually illegally breaching a border to settle on territory they were specifically forbidden to settle in...

Your historical knowledge remains as lacking as ever.
   746. Count Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5696203)
They don't need to sign an executive order to stop the policy. And they don't need to detain anyone in the family - they can simply stop the new policy of charging people criminally for illegal entry. This policy, along with the separation policy, is a "deterrent" that's unnecessary. You can deport people without charging them criminally, and in any event we don't have a serious illegal immigration problem (illegal immigration in the United States does not have major negative effects and has been declining anyway). Instead we have a serious "a racist liar is the president and his party controls the government" problem.
   747. McCoy Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5696205)
I've got a trip to Chicago and back this week. Might just reread GoT. Of course that just means I'll be at chapter 8 by the time I'm done with the trip.
   748. PepTech Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5696206)
The last time I laughed this hard at a Ray post was when he was explaining how illegals always litter when they're remodeling homes.

I must've missed that one.
Comedy Gold. See #75
   749. Traderdave Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5696209)
While you're at it Pep, can you dig up the one when Ray waxes erotically about how Trump is so smart that people who think they are smart are not smart enough to see how smart Trump is (or words to that effect)?


   750. Count Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5696211)
Add to this that many of the families are fleeing vicious violence in Central America. It's so gross.
   751. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5696213)
Adding to comments on the Senate landscape of just a few pages ago --
Monmouth has Manchin up 11 (using a Democratic 'surge' model - 9 points standard, 9 points RV).

Need another poll to confirm, but I think this one is also gonna slide off the target board by the end of summer.
   752. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5696214)
Add to this that many of the families are fleeing vicious violence in Central America. It's so gross.


Fueled largely by American drug policy and our voracious demand for their products of course. It is to laugh, at least if one is in the right mood.
   753. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5696215)
When Deadwood was Deadwood, nobody watched any borders closely. There were essentially no limits on immigration.


So?
   754. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5696218)
I wonder how soon it'll take for the cable jockeys (and Howie) to say that he's acting "presidential".

wow, that suggests your powers of perception are woefully haywire. the next time I say that Trump is acting "Presidential" would be the first time. a retraction should be forthcoming - perhaps along with a Sam Adams specialty ale.
   755. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5696221)
Considering the actual settlers and early pioneers of Deadwood were actually illegally breaching a border to settle on territory they were specifically forbidden to settle in...


So? All that means is that they were hypocrites.

Doesn't mean the people there wanted people flowing in en masse from Central America.
   756. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5696226)
Fueled largely by American drug policy and our voracious demand for their products of course. It is to laugh, at least if one is in the right mood.


The careful observer will note that neither of my posts on Americans being able to avail themselves of the same arguments have been addressed in the least.

Do usual suspect types ever think of other applications of the principles (*) they're espousing? Like ... ever?

(*) Whims, actually -- but I'll be nice.
   757. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5696229)
Doesn't mean the people there wanted people flowing in en masse from Central America.


It's too bad they never finished the 3rd season. But I guess the movie might actually happen. My point was obviously a little dig at David's political philosophy and his characterization of the Nielsen dinner not some grand argument on immigration and borders. It's a better world with law and order and the protesters weren't "stupid", but simply executing their opinion. Again, better to shout her out of a restaurant than shoot her.
   758. PepTech Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5696232)
While you're at it Pep, can you dig up the one when Ray waxes erotically about how Trump is so smart that people who think they are smart are not smart enough to see how smart Trump is (or words to that effect)?
Your wish is my command. #1005. I hope it's the one you're thinking of; there are, as you would expect, multiple posts where he waxes erotically about Trump.

Double Ray points for the glaring grammatical error in his initial sentence, while he's insulting someone's intelligence.
   759. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5696233)
So? All that means is that they were hypocrites.

Doesn't mean the people there wanted people flowing in en masse from Central America.


Wrong again.

In fact, Deadwood very much attracted an outsized proportion of Chinese immigrants - the dirty Central American infesters of the day - to the point they reached nearly 10% of the population. The fact that it was technically an illegal settlement made it especially attractive because there were no federal/state/local ordinances regarding foreign property ownership.

Fee Lee Wong - generally the basis for the 'Wu' character in the HBO series - was one of the earlier town founders along with dirty Irishman Al Swearengen and in fact, outlasted Swearengen as one of the settlement's leading citizens into the 1920s.

Deadwood was exceptionally diverse the period - and virtually a magnet for all manner of undesirable immigrants of the day.

Do you ever get tired of being completely wrong?

Why don't you stick to things you know something about... but for the life of me, I'm not sure what that would be.
   760. Jess Franco Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5696234)

No. I've never been a Republican and I can't imagine saying that I was once a Republican.

That said, Trump makes me long for the days of George Bush (either of them) and Mitt Romney.


To me, almost every one of you is far more against Trump than you are against his policies, all of which follow from thoae of his predecessors. In fact, you will tacitly support a kinder, gentler machine gun hand because you support a rapacious US regime that starts illegal wars, that assassinates US citizens, that tortures innocent bystanders, and that throws Mexicans in cages. As long as you don't see it on teevee, you can pretend it's not happening, or at least pretend not to support it. All that is required is to be a Good Democrat or even a good Republican. You'd gladly support President Mike Pence because you'd sleep easier despite the fact he is a completely reprehensible moron who believes all kinds of nonsense that Protestant Trump never has.

I mean it's too funny to see a doddering fool explain to a wet behind the ears child who defends Trump at every turn that his immigration position alligns with Hillary Clinton's. You know, that wonderful woman who helped bring open slavery back to Libya and has framed photos of her smiling happily with the Trumps and Weinsteins and many other monsters as long as they pay her.

And it's a racist, white supremicist political system rotten to the core that you are happy to support as long as it pays you.

############' Bush. Sheesh.
   761. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5696237)
Fee Lee Wong...

“He was a man of many accomplishments, shrewd in business and a patriotic citizen of his adopted country,” the Deadwood Daily Pioneer-Times wrote upon receiving word of Wong’s death in 1921. “He was a man whose word was his bond, scrupulously honest, a contributor to every charity which appealed to him, free and generous, a heavy purchaser of liberty bonds and a contributor to every enterprise that would help Deadwood.”

During his 43 years in Deadwood, due to varying English translations, he was known by many names: Wong Fee Lee, Wong Free Lee, Wong Fay Lee, Wing Tsue, Dr. Wing Tsue, Wing Touie and Wing Tone. Sometime between October 1882 and May 1883, he married Haw Shoog Gain. Their eight surviving children, born between 1884 and 1902, were raised in Deadwood. Many attended public school. Two of his sons went on to attend universities in the United States.

Wong’s business interests included mining, merchandise and a number of other ventures. He was best known, perhaps, for a pair of sturdy brick buildings on Lower Main Street collectively named the Wing Tsue Bazaar. Constructed in 1885 and 1896, these buildings stood as the center of Deadwood’s Chinatown community for decades.

At every opportunity, Fee Lee Wong reached out to the community beyond Chinatown. He donated money for the Independence Day festivities and sponsored a Chinese entry in the annual parade. He staged a Chinese hose cart team for the firefighter competitions popular at the time. In addition, he invited Deadwood townsfolk to join in events such as Chinese New Year and the Hungry Ghost Festival, and also purchased burial plots for individual Chinese at Mt. Moriah Cemetery.
   762. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5696238)
PepTech you are a treasure. That stuff is amazing. Thanks!
   763. Count Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5696240)
SBB when the government opposes an asylum claim the government can defeat a claim by showing that it is possible for the applicant to relocate in their country to another location (with certain other caveats). I don't think Americans facing severe violence in a hyper localized neighborhood would be able to get asylum in another country applying the same standards (also worth noting that again, Sessions is trying to take gang violence and domestic violence off the table).

As you are a real lawyer working in NYC, I encourage you to work on asylum cases pro bono; they are great experience and very rewarding. There are plenty of organizations that will help walk you through the process and set you up with a client.

In any event, we would be a better country if we took far more people in from Central America.
   764. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5696241)
In fact, Deadwood very much attracted an outsized proportion of Chinese immigrants - the dirty Central American infesters of the day


Um, no. The Central Americans of the day weren't the Chinese, they were the ... Central Americans. (Not sure what you mean by "dirty" or "infesters" -- those are other people's words, not mine.)
   765. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5696243)
Do you ever get tired of being completely wrong?


Evidence suggests, no.

Why don't you stick to things you know something about... but for the life of me, I'm not sure what that would be.


Dude, seriously? I can list a bunch right off the top of my head ...

1) Self defense with a stretchy band.
2) Trolling.
3) (ahem) Lawyering.
4) Jack Morris.
5) 1979.
   766. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5696246)

Um, no. The Central Americans of the day weren't the Chinese, they were the ... Central Americans. (Not sure what you mean by "dirty" or "infesters" -- those are other people's words, not mine.)


Other people's - like your Dear Leader.

But anyway, only one history lesson per day is free. If you want more, I have to charge you.
   767. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5696248)
Your wish is my command. #1005. I hope it's the one you're thinking of; there are, as you would expect, multiple posts where he waxes erotically about Trump.

Double Ray points for the glaring grammatical error in his initial sentence, while he's insulting someone's intelligence.


Ahhhh.... memories. That was back when Ray and I were so cuddly.
   768. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5696253)
And they don't need to detain anyone in the family - they can simply stop the new policy of charging people criminally for illegal entry. This policy, along with the separation policy, is a "deterrent" that's unnecessary. You can deport people without charging them criminally . . .

This is incorrect in several ways. The government isn't going to just release people illegally crossing the border, nor should they. Clearly some here are opposed to any meaningful enforcement of the immigration laws, but there is no reason that those alternative policy preferences should trump the actual law. The arrests themselves are not causing the separations, it's the often spurious claims for political asylum. Many of the illegal border crossers quickly plead guilty, are sentenced to time served, and then deported. Any separation of family members may only be a matter of hours. However, political asylum claims, even bogus ones only raised after being caught illegally crossing the border, take some time to process, usually longer than the current 20 day limit on detaining minors. #746 seems to suggest those asylum claims should just be ignored, but I'm pretty sure the same critics would howl in protest if that was attempted.
   769. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5696254)
I wonder how soon it'll take for the cable jockeys (and Howie) to say that he's acting "presidential".

wow, that suggests your powers of perception are woefully haywire. the next time I say that Trump is acting "Presidential" would be the first time. a retraction should be forthcoming - perhaps along with a Sam Adams specialty ale.


Howie, you might not have literally used "presidential", and I'll take your word for it that you haven't.

But you've had a long record of trying to play Evenhanded between Trump and his opponents, as if the truth lies somewhere in between. Here's but one example from yesterday evening, but it's only one of many where you sound just like JE or Clapper:
560. Howie Menckel Posted: June 19, 2018 at 09:33 PM (#5695735)
ok, I gave Hannity 15 minutes so you don't have to!

we already know about some of the famous Strzok-Page texts - "Trump is a douche" [wow, no nanny] "we'll stop him" and so on. but there are tons of them over time. in an otherwise seemingly thorough report by the IG and his seemingly being forthcoming during the hearings, why these texts show "bias" but not "political bias" is a mystery. these two were obsessed, were in heavy CYA mode so Hillary would blame FBI less and DOJ more for their own job security, etc.

whatever one's politics, in retrospect having Strzok, Page, and Comey in the positions they held as the claims against Hillary and Trump emerged are a major black eye for the FBI. they were the wrong people at the wrong time, and I am skeptical that we will ever be able to collectively be confident that we got to the bottom of anything. all 3 of their egos got in the way of doing their jobs (there seems to be bipartisan recognition of that with Comey, since he gave both sides a moment to be outraged. but anti-Trumpers/Hillaryites should feel screwed that the other two muddied the waters so much. their conduct was ridiculous - and that provides oxygen for the Trumpers).

the old saying is "in the U.S., we get the President we deserve." if we expand that out, hoo boy.....

Pardon my cynicism, but all this amounts to is JE Lite, as if Strzok-Page's contempt for Trump actually influenced their work**, even though Horowitz said it didn't, and even though there's evidence that Strzok, according to Horowitz himself, "advocated for more aggressive investigative measures”" against Clinton.

You're not a Trumpkin, but you're exactly the sort of stenography journalist who back in the McCarthy era was content to "just reporting the facts" in a way that let McCarthy play the media for chumps. Thank God that the media of today have gone beyond that model, and are willing to call a spade a spade. You might want to try that yourself sometime.

** Are you wondering about how the work of those New York office FBI agents who were leaking to Rudy Giuliani two days before Comey announced the re-opening of Hillary's email investigation may have been consumed with anti-Clinton hatred?
   770. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5696255)
To me, almost every one of you is far more against Trump than you are against his policies, all of which follow from thoae of his predecessors. In fact, you will tacitly support a kinder, gentler machine gun hand because you support a rapacious US regime that starts illegal wars, that assassinates US citizens, that tortures innocent bystanders, and that throws Mexicans in cages. As long as you don't see it on teevee, you can pretend it's not happening, or at least pretend not to support it. All that is required is to be a Good Democrat or even a good Republican. You'd gladly support President Mike Pence because you'd sleep easier despite the fact he is a completely reprehensible moron who believes all kinds of nonsense that Protestant Trump never has.

I mean it's too funny to see a doddering fool explain to a wet behind the ears child who defends Trump at every turn that his immigration position alligns with Hillary Clinton's. You know, that wonderful woman who helped bring open slavery back to Libya and has framed photos of her smiling happily with the Trumps and Weinsteins and many other monsters as long as they pay her.

And it's a racist, white supremicist political system rotten to the core that you are happy to support as long as it pays you.

############' Bush. Sheesh.


In terms of my actual beliefs, I consider myself a libertarian socialist. I think our political system IS absolutely rotten to the core. I am not happy to be forced to support it. You're right. I am not a neoliberal. America has dug its own grave for years. I don't mean to praise Bushes or Romneys or whoever. Saying that George Bush is a better option than Donald Trump is not praise for GWB. It is meant to illustrate how much of a dumpster fire this country has become.
   771. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5696260)
You're not a Trumpkin, but you're exactly the sort of stenography journalist who back in the McCarthy era was content to "just reporting the facts" in a way that let McCarthy play the media for chumps. Thank God that the media of today have gone beyond that model, and are willing to call a spade a spade. You might want to try that yourself sometime.


This is true and it makes the NYT's decision to not publish the story today on Miller's quotes incredibly frustrating. The NYTs continues to pretend that they are "all the news that's fit to print" when their news footprint has shrunk from a dominant position down to just another voice in the crowd for the most part.

Of course this is a paper that felt it necessary to print Colin Powell's tripe to try and provide "equal voices" in the runup to the Iraq war. I'm sure other examples abound. I quit reading them on the regular sometime around 2006.

Saying that George Bush is a better option than Donald Trump is not praise for GWB. It is meant to illustrate how much of a dumpster fire this country has become.


A careful observer might note that most of the fire seems to surround the GOP.
   772. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5696263)
Howie, you might not have literally used "presidential", and I'll take your word for it that you haven't.

you should. also, your 'example' has nothing to do at all with what I might think of Trump as "Presidential" or otherwise - so it fails on that front. finally, your cliched stereotype is, well, tired. and you know zero about my professional career (and in fact, you'd be red-faced if you did), so you've entered the old "The Odd Couple" routine of "when you assume...."

this board has enough people dialing to 11 on Trump. someone who dialed to 8 would just get drowned in the tide, so it's pointless.
   773. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5696264)
However, political asylum claims, even bogus ones only raised after being caught illegally crossing the border,


This is why no one takes you seriously, and thinks of you as nothing more than an unpaid propaganda minister for the administration. Trump has all but shut down the legal or proper asylum process. You and they, tell them to do it properly by going to ports of entry. Those that do are turned away. The only way to apply for asylum is by crossing illegally and turning themselves in to border patrol.
   774. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5696268)
A careful observer might note that most of the fire seems to surround capitalism



fixed it for you.
   775. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:04 PM (#5696271)
Pardon my cynicism, but all this amounts to is JE Lite, as if Strzok-Page's contempt for Trump actually influenced their work**, even though Horowitz said it didn't,


He said no such thing, and hasn't even yet addressed the Russia investigation.

you should. also, your 'example' has nothing to do at all with what I might think of Trump as "Presidential" or otherwise - so it fails on that front. finally, your cliched stereotype is, well, tired. and you know zero about my professional career (and in fact, you'd be red-faced if you did), so you've entered the old "The Odd Couple" routine of "when you assume...."


Remember the frog and the scorpion, Howie.

Poor Howie -- another regular fact-based guy somewhere in the middle, mugged by Andy's "reality."

   776. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5696274)
. . . as if Strzok-Page's contempt for Trump actually influenced their work

Strzok & Page repeatedly declared their support for Hillary, the importance of her election, and their fervent opposition to Trump, well before the Clinton e-mail investigation was completed, and you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work? They spoke of using their official positions to prevent Trump's election and of having an insurance policy should he be elected, yet you contend their bias didn't influence their work? Just Andy being Andy, eh?
   777. spycake Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5696281)
Strzok & Page repeatedly declared their support for Hillary, the importance of her election, and their fervent opposition to Trump, well before the Clinton e-mail investigation was completed, and you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work? They spoke of using their official positions to prevent his election and of having an insurance policy should he be elected, yet you contend their bias didn't influence their work? Just Andy being Andy, eh?


Shouldn't you be taking that conclusion up with Horowitz?
   778. DavidFoss Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5696282)
This is incorrect in several ways. The government isn't going to just release people illegally crossing the border, nor should they. Clearly some here are opposed to any meaningful enforcement of the immigration laws, but there is no reason that those alternative policy preferences should trump the actual law. The arrests themselves are not causing the separations, it's the often spurious claims for political asylum. Many of the illegal border crossers quickly plead guilty, are sentenced to time served, and then deported. Any separation of family members may only be a matter of hours. However, political asylum claims, even bogus ones only raised after being caught illegally crossing the border, take some time to process, usually longer than the current 20 day limit on detaining minors. #746 seems to suggest those asylum claims should just be ignored, but I'm pretty sure the same critics would howl in protest if that was attempted.

You are living in a different world. If this was all that was happening, there wouldn't be so many people upset.

I mean, I don't blame you, I'd like to live in your world, too!
   779. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5696283)
Strzok & Page repeatedly declared their support for Hillary, the importance of her election, and their fervent opposition to Trump, well before the Clinton e-mail investigation was completed, and you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work? They spoke of using their official positions to prevent his election and of having an insurance policy should he be elected, yet you contend their bias didn't influence their work? Just Andy being Andy, eh?


Who gives a #### though? It's a spoonful out of a dumptruck that backed up over Hillary in the week before the election when they announced her investigation but not her opponent's. Oh no a couple mid level FBI agents preferred Hillary to Trump. How does that mean jack #### in the grand scheme of things? It doesn't. But, when you have to carry water for Trump you pretend it does.
   780. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5696284)
Who gives a #### though? It's a spoonful out of a dumptruck that backed up over Hillary in the week before the election when they announced her investigation but not her opponent's. Oh no a couple mid level FBI agents preferred Hillary to Trump. How does that mean jack #### in the grand scheme of things?


The FBI interfering with presidential elections at the behest of its senior people matters a very great deal. This is axiomatic, notwithstanding the current outbreak of TDS and by-any-means-necessary-ism.
   781. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5696285)
Dude, seriously? I can list a bunch right off the top of my head ...

1) Self defense with a stretchy band.
2) Trolling.
3) (ahem) Lawyering.
4) Jack Morris.
5) 1979.

6) Being the embodiment of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
   782. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5696287)
you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work? They spoke of using their official positions to prevent his election and of having an insurance policy should he be elected, yet you contend their bias didn't influence their work?


The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing). I am willing to side with the official IG investigation, certainly over your partisan hack interpretation.
   783. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5696290)
The FBI interfering with presidential elections at the behest of its senior people matters a very great deal. This is axiomatic, notwithstanding the current outbreak of TDS and by-any-means-necessary-ism.


I'll quote Mouse, as otherwise I'd owe him a coke.

The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing). I am willing to side with the official IG investigation, certainly over your partisan hack interpretation.


/end.
   784. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5696291)
The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing)


It did no such thing. It did the virtual opposite:

“We did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias.”


One can only assume you were yet again using human definitions or somesuch.
   785. Zonk prescribes Rezine for TDS Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5696292)
Strzok & Page repeatedly declared their support for Hillary, the importance of her election, and their fervent opposition to Trump, well before the Clinton e-mail investigation was completed, and you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work? They spoke of using their official positions to prevent Trump's election and of having an insurance policy should he be elected, yet you contend their bias didn't influence their work? Just Andy being Andy, eh?


Typical Trumpkin....

The bias! The bias!

Yet- when it comes to the candidate where the dislike actually yielded actual election headlines... silence...

Like

Anderson told the OIG that she expressed concerns about criticizing uncharged conduct during discussions with Comey in June 2016. She said that the decision to include such criticism “was a signal that…we weren’t just letting her off the hook…. [O]ur conclusions were going to be viewed as less assailable…at the end of the day if this kind of content was included.”

Baker told the OIG that “there were multiple audiences” for the criticism of former Secretary Clinton in Comey’s statement. He recounted hearing that FBI employees not involved in the Midyear investigation hated former Secretary Clinton and had made comments such as, “[Y]ou guys are finally going to get that #####,” and, “[W]e’re rooting for you.” Baker stated, “And if we’re not going to get her on these facts and circumstances, then we’d better explain that now.” Related to this idea, notes taken by Strzok at a May 12, 2016 meeting involving the Midyear team state, “Messaging thoughts: Workforce Qs: (1) If I did this, I’d be prosecuted; (2) Petraeus, Berger, etc. were charged; (3) Overwhelming conservative outlook.”
   786. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5696293)
Saying that George Bush is a better option than Donald Trump is not praise for GWB. It is meant to illustrate how much of a dumpster fire this country has become.


Pretty much everyone but Perros understands this.
   787. DavidFoss Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5696295)
Strzok & Page repeatedly declared their support for Hillary, the importance of her election, and their fervent opposition to Trump, well before the Clinton e-mail investigation was completed, and you want to contend their bias didn't affect their work?

Again more falsehoods.

Strzok co-wrote the Comey letter which was harmful to Clinton. If he wanted to actually harm Trump, there were several obvious things he could have done. Simply leaking the existence of an investigation of his campaign is the most obvious of them.

I don't know why you feel you have to push this bizarre narrative. All you care about is conservative judicial appointments and you're going to get them anyways.
   788. Spahn Insane Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5696296)
But anyway, only one history lesson per day is free. If you want more, I have to charge you.

Your history brings all the 'bots to the yard...
   789. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5696301)
The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing). I am willing to side with the official IG investigation, certainly over your partisan hack interpretation.


The phrase "insurance policy" is unfortunate, because taken out of context it gives the Trumpkins a cudgel to bash the whole investigation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the context is this:

The found some suspicious activity within the Trump campaign, and talked about investigating it. One of them said it won't matter, because Trump is likely to lose and no-one will want to pursue an investigation of the losing candidate. the other said "well, we should investigate in the event he doesn't lose".

IOW, the insurance policy is to investigate the suspicious activity on the off chance Trump wins and the suspicious activity becomes relevant. "We had better investigate this. if he loses it will be irrelevant, but if he wins, it could be significant." It wasn't "We had better come up with something to hit him with in case he wins"
   790. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5696304)
When Deadwood was Deadwood, nobody watched any borders closely. There were essentially no limits on immigration.

So?
FLTB: "People in Deadwood would have watched the borders closely."
Sane people: "Actually, when they were in Deadwood, people didn't watch the borders closely."
FLTB: "So?"
   791. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5696305)
Totally not a disaster for the GOP. Nope, just business as usual.

A prominent GOP strategist has left the Republican Party over family separations at the border

Steve Schmidt is a prominent GOP strategist; he was a senior adviser to Sen. John McCain’s 2008 campaign and a former George W. Bush staffer. He ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s reelection bid in California.

On Wednesday, he renounced his membership in the Republican Party — because of President Donald Trump’s policy of forced family separations at the US-Mexico border.

In a series of tweets Wednesday morning, Schmidt denounced the Republican party for being “corrupt, indecent, and immoral” and “fully the party of Trump,” adding that he would be voting with the Democratic Party from now on — “the only party left in America that stands for what is right and decent and remains fidelitous to our Republic, objective truth, the rule of law and our Allies.”


   792. Count Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5696308)
YC is wrong or lying again. The government does not have to arrest people for misdemeanor illegal entry to deport them. This was a conscious policy choice. You say the government “isn’t going to just release” people crossing the border as if they must be arrested to be deported or must be detained pending an asylum determination, neither of which is true, which you could probably tell by the fact that it’s a new and deliberate policy. You acknowledge that some asylum claims are meritorious but still support the arrest and separation of families. And for a lawyer to complain that it’s not arrests causing a problem it’s people asserting their rights is also gross.

In short, illegal immigration isn’t a problem; even if it was you can deport people without arresting them, and you can release people pending asylum determinations; even if that wasn’t true, the Trump administration could have tried to find a solution but instead went with separating families because they are cruel and racist.
   793. PepTech Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5696310)
That stuff is amazing. Thanks!
Pshaw...it's always important to keep in mind exactly who you're dealing with, so you can approach these conversations with the proper perspective. To wit:
[Obama] isn't a Muslim, to be sure -- but his experiences made him embrace Islam to an unhelpful degree.
See here, #970.
   794. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5696312)
FLTB: "People in Deadwood would have watched the borders closely."
Sane people: "Actually, when they were in Deadwood, people didn't watch the borders closely."
FLTB: "So?"


Your first sentence is a lie and I never said any such thing.

Unbelievably, you're getting even worse.

(And I assume you realize that the things people write on here don't self-destruct in 30 seconds. This isn't Mission Impossible. Your lie is easily refuted. But maybe you don't.)

   795. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5696314)
The 500-Page Inspector General’s Report In 900 Words

A few selected sections, but read it for yourself.

The report does not directly affirm the decision not to charge Clinton, but it does say that it was not motivated by any kind of improper political bias among Justice Department officials. That squarely rebuts Trump’s suggestion that Justice Department and FBI officials like Comey were soft in pursuing allegations against Clinton for political reasons.


And overall, as noted above, the inspector general did not conclude that the Justice Department’s probe was biased toward helping Clinton or hurting Trump. So, on substance, the investigation’s integrity was reaffirmed, but that won’t prevent Trump from using that text message to argue that it wasn’t.


The report all but says that Comey was wrong to go public in the ways he did in the Clinton investigation in 2016. This is basically what Clinton has long argued. The report also basically confirms that she should not have been charged with any crime for email use. Of course, that doesn’t undo Comey’s actions, which may have cost Clinton the election. But still.


Like I said ... "The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing)." Any bias in investigators was immaterial, exactly the opposite of what Clapper was peddling.

EDIT: Only a moron would think I was linking to the report, BTW. "The 500 page report in 900 words" RIGHT THERE IN THE TITLE. And of course all the text talks about the report clearly as something being summarized. No one could be so dumb as to think I was linking to the report directly, right? Right!?! I would hope everyone would realize they can Google the actual report themselves if they want to read 500 pages.
   796. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5696318)
A few selected sections, but read it for yourself.


Your link isn't to the report, but to an interpretation of the report.
   797. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5696319)
YC is wrong or lying again. The government does not have to arrest people for misdemeanor illegal entry to deport them.


And of course the government could hold the families together just long enough to have a hearing. The court order (that it looks like Trump is about to challenge) doesn't say you can't keep families together, it just limits how long you can do so in custody. Republicans are always complaining about how slow government is and how they can speed it up with all their business expertise. Well, let's go guys. Speed things up, stay legal, don't separate families.
   798. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5696320)
Like I said ... "The official investigation into the matter contended it did not impact the outcome (paraphrasing)." Any bias in investigators was immaterial, exactly the opposite of what Clapper was peddling.


One only needs to look at the Qanon response ("there's a SECRET second IG report that the deep state is hiding") to realize what a complete nothingburger the "explosive" and "damaging" IG report was. At every turn in the "witch hunt" the true acolytes of the cult beg for patience and expand the conspiracy a little more.
   799. -- Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5696323)
From the report's Executive Summary:

We were deeply troubled by text messages exchanged
between Strzok and Page that potentially indicated or
created the appearance that investigative decisions
were impacted by bias or improper considerations.
Most of the text messages raising such questions
pertained to the Russia investigation, which was not a
part of this review. Nonetheless, when one senior FBI
official, Strzok, who was helping to lead the Russia
investigation at the time, conveys in a text message to
another senior FBI official, Page, “No. No he won’t.
We’ll stop it” in response to her question “[Trump’s] not
ever going to become president, right? Right?!”, it is
not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even
more seriously, implies a willingness to take official
action to impact the presidential candidate’s electoral
prospects.
This is antithetical to the core values of the
FBI and the Department of Justice.


And this is but one example. Only a buffoon or a hack could conclude that this report concluded that S & P's clear bias had no impact on their actions. (I of course noted above the "no confidence" conclusion relating to the Russia vs. Weiner prioritizing.)
   800. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5696326)

(And I assume you realize that the things people write on here don't self-destruct in 30 seconds. This isn't Mission Impossible. Your lie is easily refuted. But maybe you don't.)
Oh, it doesn't even take 30 seconds for you to self-destruct.
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