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100+ inning seasons by relievers

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Where did all the 100+ inning relievers go?

At the heart of Marx’s theory is evidence that when most pitchers face hitters a third time through the batting order, their effectiveness drops significantly. Marx refers to this as the TTOP (Times Through the Order Penalty). Marx’s research also shows that when he throws fewer innings, a pitcher’s velocity tends to ramp up some. And by converting more relievers to multi-inning roles, managers would have the ability to use a key “winning” piece with the game on the line in the fifth or sixth inning rather than having to reserve them only for later-game situations.

100+ inning seasons by relievers

Jim Furtado Posted: June 01, 2014 at 08:51 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: June 01, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4716838)
At the heart of Marx’s theory is evidence that when most pitchers face hitters a third time through the batting order, their effectiveness drops significantly.


One night, I pitched to Prince Fielder in my pajamas. How he got in pajamas, I don't know.
   2. McCoy Posted: June 01, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4716845)
Clearly what the Rangers need is a #5 starter than can throw 170 innings.
   3. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 01, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4716846)
The production of too many innings creates too many useless pitchers!
   4. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: June 01, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4716885)
Prince Fielder is thick at one end, much, much thicker in the middle, and then thick again at the far end. That is the theory that I have, and which is mine, and what it is too.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 01, 2014 at 07:19 PM (#4717015)
Marx's theory: crisis is inherent to the structure of pitching.

Alas I can't see the table but I get 427 100-IP relief seasons in the expansion era, which can include some starts. Guys who did it for an extended period and weren't knuckleballers:

Duane Ward, 5
Tekulve, 7
Sutter, 5
Quiz, 5
Perranoski, 7
Dale Murray, 6
Marshall, 6
Lyle, 6
Gary Lavelle, 5
Greg Harris, 7
Garber, 6
Eddie Fisher, 5
Fingers, 8
Carroll, 5
Campbell, 5
Borbon, 6

It hasn't been done since 2006. The last guy to do it two straight years was Scott Sullivan, essentially from 97-01 and he survived it kinda OK (three more seasons of OK relief at normal load).
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 01, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4717019)
The machinery of capitalism is oiled with the blood of relief pitchers.
   7. Bug Selig Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:31 PM (#4717816)
Somebody is going to have to explain how 3 innings every 3rd day is 82% fewer than 6 innings every 5th day. 'Cause, you know - math.
   8. Cabbage Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4717835)
Sliders are the scourge of the swinging classes.
   9. tshipman Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4717851)
Bullpen carts are the opiates of the bullpen.
   10. Jeltzandini Posted: June 03, 2014 at 07:51 AM (#4717886)
The five man rotation carries the seeds of its own destruction.
   11. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: June 03, 2014 at 08:17 AM (#4717888)
I thought the Rangers were stretching out their starters so they could all go complete games? I know Ryan's no longer there, but that's a recent development. Surely their minor leagues are producing a wave of young starters that can go at least 8 innings per start.

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