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I've tended to think of cornrows as nice and neat.
The Pavement ones are the only ones I ever get. I prefer to think of the end of that song as career! career! Korea! Korea! KOREA!
What does that mean?
As long as Ramirez doesn't come out to play looking like Method Man in that video with Mary J. Blige, I think he'd be looking plenty neat with cornrows.
I used to know someone who refused to admit the possibility that this wasn't the lyric.
Me too.
Ten greatest Pavement songs?
1. "Frontwards"
2. "In The Mouth A Desert"
3. "Texas Never Whispers"
4. "Gold Soundz"
5. "Father to a Sister of Thought"
6. "Loretta's Scars"
7. "Range Life"
8. "Home"
9. "Summer Babe"
10. "Kennel District"/"Box Elder"/"Painted Soldiers"
Just throw a dart! Really, I have trouble remembering their song titles. My favorite string of lyrics is, currently:
well focus on the quasar in the mist
the kaiser has a cyst
and i'm a blank want list
the qualms you have and if they stick
they will drown you in a crick
in the neck of a woods
that was populated by
tired nation on the fly
everybody knows advice
that was give out for free
lots of details to discern
lots of details
Yes, but in the hierarchy of humanity's monsters, you're pretty far down. I mean, at least you know OF Watery, Domestic.
He's the only Marlin who knows about Word's "Bullets and Numbering" function.
If I say they peaked with Watery, Domestic, does that make me one of those ########?
Watery, Domestic IS their peak. It's the best album of the decade, and it only took them an EP to do it.
"Grounded"
"Embassy Row"
"Home"
"Give it a day"
"Fillmore Jive"
"Perfume-V"
"Range Life"
"Stop Breathin"
"Harness Your Hopes"
"Show me/a word that rhymes with "Pavement"/and I will kill your parents"
2.) "Trigger Cut"
3.) "AT&T;"
4.) "Gold Soundz"
5.) "Raft"
6.) "Silence Kit"
7.) "Fillmore Jive"
8.) "Grounded"
9.) "Elevate Me Later"
10.) "Shoot The Singer (1 Sick Verse)"
Ditto. And I like to alternate between singing that line as career and Korea, too.
Anyway, in no particular order:
a) Zurich is Stained
b) Frontwards
c) Grounded
d) Gold Soundz
e) Spit on a Stranger
f) Roll with the Wind
g) Harness your Hopes
h) Sutcliffe Catering Song
i) Trigger Cut
j) Summer Babe
this is the slow sick sucking part of me
and when i suck in kisses, it's ours...
Hanley should have just refused to cut his hair.
But you know I need it anyway
I like that line, too. I'll just stop now as I could do this all day.
Not particularly.
I have them. Are they going to do the rest of the albums? Or has the death of the CD ended the project?
edit: Have to throw in a favorite lyric of mine, I spose.
"Damn the golddiggers all around this funky place / damn damn damn all the 49ers"
They are amazing ("Nail Clinic" is another great track I first heard through these reissues). The Brighten the Corners one just came out, so there's only one more to go. I imagine it'll come out.
The last time I said "Slanted and Enchanted" was better than any Beatle album...and Rock and Roll feds showed up at my door!
They better! <shakes fist> I need my own nerdy CD collection to battle my girl's Belle and Sebastian catalog. Talk about OCD. She buys the vinyl AND CD of their albums.
A couple of the songs from the Major Leagues EP aren't on any reissue yet, to my knowledge. Some pretty good tracks there, too. "Stub your Toe" and "Decouvert de Soleil" are both really enjoyable.
Put a gun to my head, and I think I take Slanted and Enchanted. Then again, there's no gun to my head, and so I constantly flip flop on that.
As for Pavement, my collection of their records is one of a kind. I own the "Pacific Trim" 7" EP, the "Father to a Sister of Thought" 7" EP, the "Harness Your Hopes" CDEP, and "Westing by Musket and Sextant" on cassette. That's it.
How many copies of "Westing by Musket and Sextant" do you think people bought in CASSETTE format? 200? Well, one of them was at the used record store I used to go to in high school. As a result, my favorite Pavement song is "Forklift".
I also have the inexplicable cassingle version of the Nirvana/Jesus Lizard "Oh, the Guilt"/"Puss" split single.
How long did labels like Drag City and Touch & Go make cassettes? Like 1993 to 1996?
They're all better than any Beatles record, as far as I'm concerned.
They better! <shakes fist> I need my own nerdy CD collection to battle my girl's Belle and Sebastian catalog. Talk about OCD. She buys the vinyl AND CD of their albums.
Shooty, does she have the original Tigermilk on vinyl? I used to bid hundreds on it every time it showed up on eBay before getting bid out by a dollar at the last minute. But then they reissued it on CD and saved me a gob of money.
Man, Belle & Sebastian were really really great once. Democracy killed that band.
Chinese spectate riding forklift
Mother says no
Why can't I for forklift me?
Why, because I need money, time is my life, not hers.
(unintelligible noisy part)
Not that one. In my naivete I decided I'd pick that up for her as a romantic gesture and I was soon educated on the rabidity of hardcore Belle and Sebastian fans.
Look, I'll debase myself one in a while and discuss things Marlins, but I'll be damned if I'm going to discuss the hair-do of a Marlin!
Exactly. Either one.
Concur.
Man, Belle & Sebastian were really really great once. Democracy killed that band.
Is that what happened? I don't even listen to the classic stuff anymore. I think I'd just had enough of them. 8-9 years ago, I thought they were great.
and he knows to put little dots before everything. the commisioner likes that.
Rotary Downs with Feast in Squalor.
The greatest performance of "Forklift" you've ever heard.
(It's in WMA. format because I've ripped all my Pavement shows to my computer and stashed the discs back at home. Hope you can deal with that format. And everyone else is welcome to download this too. I promise there are no nasty viruses or anything.)
And the best band reunion piece ever.
Buggered if I can choose between them either. Everytime it comes up I name a different one!
And Pavement >>> Beatles as far as this Englishman is concerned.
You don't happen to have those offbeat covers I was talking about above, do you.
However, in terms of what I personally enjoy listening to? Pavement >>> The Beatles, for sure.
I like it. His solo stuff and the Silver Jews. I like the Pavement stuff a lot more, though.
i generally find it good if a little slight. worth listening to, but don't trip over yourself trying to find it.
as an aside, his song "jenny and the s-dog" freaked me the hell out the first time i heard it, because it's about (if i recall correctly) a 30ish rocker (the "s-dog," real name sean) and an 18ish girl (jenny, as if you couldn't figure it out) and their romance, which i recall pretty heavily involved their dog. at the time, my girlfriend's brother, a studio musician/aspiring rockstar named sean, 31, was dating a girl, jen, of 19. shortly before i heard that song, they had bought a dog together.
that has nothing to do with anything, but man did i find it weird.
Music is emotive and as I'm not a music historian... I'll take Pavement.
The Silver Jews are right there with Pavement in terms of inner-circle HOF music for me.
Esoteric, thanks for that generous offer. I will be posting a request for sure. I've seen Malkmus 3 times, the Jews twice, but Pavement never, alas... my biggest musical regret.
She's 18, he's 31. She's a rich girl; he's the son of a Coca-Cola middleman.
Spiral wrote songs for just about every Pavement album, including "Kennel District" which is in my list above.
I don't know anything about Pavement, but Malkmus did some good work on the I'm Not There soundtrack.
Oh, man. The "What Goes On?" cover I remember being pretty solid. If you could upload that I would be forever grateful.
Agreed, that was great stuff. Most of that soundtrack is really good.
I've gotten to Malkmus/Jicks twice. Pavement, however, were gone before I was even in high school, sadly.
edit: As for his solo stuff, when he puts out a great track, like, say, "Gardenia" or "Discretion Grove" or "(Do Not Feed The) Oyster" I think it can rank up there with some of the better Pavement stuff. It's just that there aren't nearly as many of those in his solo catalogue.
EDIT: Setlist:
1.) Grounded
2.) Gold Soundz
3.) Conduit For Sale!
4.) Blackout
5.) ATandT
6.) Rattled By The Rush
7.) Stop Breathin'
8.) Range Life
9.) Father To A Sister Of Thought
10.) Two States
11.) Cut Your Hair
12.) Fight This Generation
13.) In The Mouth A Desert
insanely accurate on the age, then. and she was fairly wealthy, though i don't know i'd say rich. the only difference is that he had and has nothing to do with coca-cola. still, pretty creepy.
In case you are interested in that show, take this brother may it serve you well.
i actually really didn't like that soundtrack. most of the songs were good enough, but pointless as covers. the only two i remember standing out are sufjan stevens, whose typical bombast i didn't like (but at least it was different), and the hold steady, who were, as usual, excellent.
in some ways, i prefer the cat power version of "stuck..." a little better, but that doesn't make it interesting.
Holy cow, I'm old. And I'm not even that old.
I did not get to see Pavement until Terror Twilight, and sad to say, I found them pretty dull. Maybe it was an off-night or maybe it was because they were promoting their least-best record but I remember being very disappointed. U.S. Maple opened, and they were far more entertaining.
I think I have those, but they are incredibly lousily encoded, like 64 kbit mp3.
There's a radio version I've got in okay sound quality that may be the one you remember, but this is my personal favorite, from a great concert in Baltimore. And it's a 320kbps-encoded mp3. Complete with not one, but TWO false starts -- ragged but right, my friends.
You, sir, are a prince of a man.
From Harold Baines' scouting report: "Only my opinion but this player could be more trouble than he's worth. Took 5 points off for general attitude."
The problem as it turns out was that Baines wore his hair in cornrows.
30 years ago? A man ahead of his time.
He also wrote one of Pavement's greatest 'lost' tracks in "Painted Soldiers," a WZ-era outtake that ended up on the Kids In The Hall: Brain Candy soundtrack. (They also made a video for it, maybe the best Pavement video ever...you can find it on the Slow Century DVD.) The definitive version is from their 1995 BBC session included on the WZ 2-CD reissue...my god, my god, my god, it's the most radiant happy summer sunshine two-guitar-interplay funtime thing they ever did.
Kannberg never got enough credit, if you ask me.
Aug 1991/Maxwell's
Box Elder, Baptiss Blacktick, Angel Carver/Mellow Jazz Docent, No Life Singed Her, In the Mouth a Desert, Debris Slide, Trigger Cut, Golden Boys, Wounded Kite, Home, Conduit for Sale, Here, Fame Throwa, Summer Babe
Would you like a copy of that show? I have it. And for an old AUD tape of an obscure-ass band that nobody cared about at the time, it's actually pretty friggin' sweet.
Best live version of "Baptist Blacktick" out there, IMHO.
Wow, what a weird non sequitur...
Thanks, but my buddy was the Maxwell's DJ/SB operator for years and he has all that stuff.
I know! "Painted Soldiers" made my top-ten list above. I'd never seen the video till I bought the wonderful DVD set. Too bad the book is so slipshod. Great design, boring content once they get out of high school. Nothing new.
That being said, I've downloaded your links, Eso, thanks.
I've seen Malkmus 3 times, the Jews twice, but Pavement never, alas... my biggest musical regret.
Prince, Purple Rain tour, 1985 tickets IN MY HANDS, couldn't go.
Husker Du
Everyone seems to say that about the book, and so I never bought it. It's also amazing how many B-sides they have that make you wonder how they never wound up on a full-length. "Painted Soldiers" being one of the very best.
1.) Baptist Blacktick
2.) Circa 1762 (live at the BBC 1992)
3.) Secret Knowledge Of Backroads (live at the BBC 1992)
4.) Frontwards
5.) Shoot The Singer (1 Sick Verse)
6.) So Stark (You're A Skyscraper)
7.) Greenlander
8.) Unseen Power Of The Picket Fence
9.) Soiled Little Filly
10.) All My Friends
11.) Raft
12.) The Sutcliffe Catering Song [Easily Fooled] (live at the BBC 1994)
13.) Painted Soldiers (live at the BBC 1995)
14.) Kris-Kraft
15.) Mussle Rock (Is A Horse In Transition)
16.) Give It A Day
17.) Harness Your Hopes
18.) Westie Can Drum
19.) No Tan Lines
20.) And Then... [The Hexx] (single version)
21.) The Killing Moon (live at the BBC 1997)
Exactly. The DVD, of course, is wonderful.
I know, it's great.
This.
This.
That is, of course, a great, great song.
Any list like this always starts with Frontwards for me. Can't argue with the rest of the top 5 there, really. Sutcliffe is a personal favorite, and I'd probably bump that up to 4 or 5 and drop Secret Knowledge. I'd also argue you have Give it a Day too low. As for others I would include: Texas Never Whispers, Roll with the Wind, Lions (Linden), Stub Your Toe (a really underrated Kannberg cut, IMO), Box Elder, No More Kings.
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