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Friday, March 27, 2009

Hyde: Hair-brained policy raises Hanley’s ire

No cornrowed hair!
Let’s run down to the practice field
attention and fame
a career, career, career, career

Hanley Ramirez, the lone Marlin with five stars to his resume, walked through Thursday morning’s clubhouse with a message written across his chest in Sharpie.

“I’m sick of this s—-,” it read. He was serious. “I’m angry,” he said.

“I want to be traded,” Ramirez soon said.

No, he doesn’t. Not really. And by the end of this column the temperature will cool down. But it’s never good when your best player entered Thursday’s game batting .091 for the spring and blamed it on some silly organizational decrees.

For a while, Hanley vs. Marlins Get your Marlins Tickets now! sounded like The Mane Event of spring. Ramirez, see, used to wear his hair in cornrows.

“I had to cut it,” he said.

He also had to take off the jewelry dangling from his neck while playing.

“It’s incredible,” he said an hour later in the dugout, still angry. “We’re big-leaguers.”

...“We want to look professional,” manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “Nice and neat.”

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   1. sptaylor Posted: March 27, 2009 at 04:35 PM (#3116678)
"We want to look professional,” manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “Nice and neat.”


I've tended to think of cornrows as nice and neat.
   2. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: March 27, 2009 at 04:40 PM (#3116685)
Hey, I get a Repoz intro! Must be my lucky day.
   3. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3116690)
Hey, I get a Repoz intro! Must be my lucky day.

The Pavement ones are the only ones I ever get. I prefer to think of the end of that song as career! career! Korea! Korea! KOREA!
   4. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: March 27, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3116691)
"five stars to his resume"?

What does that mean?
   5. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: March 27, 2009 at 04:53 PM (#3116704)
I've tended to think of cornrows as nice and neat.

As long as Ramirez doesn't come out to play looking like Method Man in that video with Mary J. Blige, I think he'd be looking plenty neat with cornrows.
   6. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3116723)
Korea! Korea! KOREA!

I used to know someone who refused to admit the possibility that this wasn't the lyric.
   7. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3116724)
I prefer to think of the end of that song as career! career! Korea! Korea! KOREA!

Me too.

Ten greatest Pavement songs?
1. "Frontwards"
2. "In The Mouth A Desert"
3. "Texas Never Whispers"
4. "Gold Soundz"
5. "Father to a Sister of Thought"
6. "Loretta's Scars"
7. "Range Life"
8. "Home"
9. "Summer Babe"
10. "Kennel District"/"Box Elder"/"Painted Soldiers"
   8. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3116730)
If I say they peaked with Watery, Domestic, does that make me one of those ########?
   9. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3116733)
Ten greatest Pavement songs?

Just throw a dart! Really, I have trouble remembering their song titles. My favorite string of lyrics is, currently:

well focus on the quasar in the mist
the kaiser has a cyst
and i'm a blank want list
the qualms you have and if they stick
they will drown you in a crick
in the neck of a woods
that was populated by
tired nation on the fly
everybody knows advice
that was give out for free
lots of details to discern
lots of details
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3116737)
If I say they peaked with Watery, Domestic, does that make me one of those ########?

Yes, but in the hierarchy of humanity's monsters, you're pretty far down. I mean, at least you know OF Watery, Domestic.
   11. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3116738)
"five stars to his resume"?

What does that mean?


He's the only Marlin who knows about Word's "Bullets and Numbering" function.
   12. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3116741)
How hilarious would it be if he demanded a trade to the Yankees, and got there only to learn afterwards that they too have team rules on appearance.
   13. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3116747)

If I say they peaked with Watery, Domestic, does that make me one of those ########?


Watery, Domestic IS their peak. It's the best album of the decade, and it only took them an EP to do it.
   14. Swedish Chef Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3116748)
"Trigger Cut"
"Grounded"
"Embassy Row"
"Home"
"Give it a day"
"Fillmore Jive"
"Perfume-V"
"Range Life"
"Stop Breathin"
"Harness Your Hopes"
   15. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3116754)
Yeah, "Harness Your Hopes" should probably be on my list too. What a tremendous song. It's beautiful and hilarious, with one of my favourite Malkmus one-liners.

"Show me/a word that rhymes with "Pavement"/and I will kill your parents"
   16. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3116779)
1.) "All My Friends"
2.) "Trigger Cut"
3.) "AT&T;"
4.) "Gold Soundz"
5.) "Raft"
6.) "Silence Kit"
7.) "Fillmore Jive"
8.) "Grounded"
9.) "Elevate Me Later"
10.) "Shoot The Singer (1 Sick Verse)"
   17. A triple short of the cycle Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3116783)
I assume Hanley wrote "I want to be traded" on a t-shirt and not on his actual skin... but it's not really clear.
   18. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:50 PM (#3116784)
The Pavement ones are the only ones I ever get. I prefer to think of the end of that song as career! career! Korea! Korea! KOREA!


Ditto. And I like to alternate between singing that line as career and Korea, too.

Anyway, in no particular order:

a) Zurich is Stained
b) Frontwards
c) Grounded
d) Gold Soundz
e) Spit on a Stranger
f) Roll with the Wind
g) Harness your Hopes
h) Sutcliffe Catering Song
i) Trigger Cut
j) Summer Babe
   19. PerroX Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM (#3116786)
this is the slow sick sucking part of me
this is the slow sick sucking part of me
and when i suck in kisses, it's ours...

Hanley should have just refused to cut his hair.
   20. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3116787)
You kiss like a rock
But you know I need it anyway



I like that line, too. I'll just stop now as I could do this all day.
   21. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3116790)
They're a pretty good b-side band, too. Back when I was an anal completist about all my favorite bands, I chased down all the singles and EPs. Up to a certain point, I had absolutely every song they ever put out. But then I decided I had too many CDs and regrettably sold almost all my better 1990s indie rock stuff. Before I did, though, I collected all the b-sides and burned it on a CD. Collectively, it's just as a good as one of their records. Now almost all of that stuff is available on the reissues they've been putting out the last couple years.
   22. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3116791)
How hilarious would it be if he demanded a trade to the Yankees, and got there only to learn afterwards that they too have team rules on appearance.

Not particularly.
   23. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:56 PM (#3116793)
ALL of their B-sides and rarities are available, in one form or another, on the new reissues. (One exception: the instrumental B-side "Birds Of The Majic Industry" has been replaced with a vocal version.) The 2-CD reissues are heaven-sent from Jesus himself.
   24. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3116796)
Stephen Malkmus's scream at the end of "AT&T;" is the greatest rock scream of the 1990s - mark it down, friends.
   25. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3116798)
The 2-CD reissues are heaven-sent from Jesus himself.

I have them. Are they going to do the rest of the albums? Or has the death of the CD ended the project?
   26. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3116799)
Well they've only got Terror Twilight left to do, Shooty. And since they're pretty good sellers, to my understanding, I don't see why they wouldn't finish it up.

edit: Have to throw in a favorite lyric of mine, I spose.

"Damn the golddiggers all around this funky place / damn damn damn all the 49ers"
   27. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:05 PM (#3116807)
I have them. Are they going to do the rest of the albums? Or has the death of the CD ended the project?

They are amazing ("Nail Clinic" is another great track I first heard through these reissues). The Brighten the Corners one just came out, so there's only one more to go. I imagine it'll come out.
   28. Repoz Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3116811)
Cool! Another Pavement thread.

The last time I said "Slanted and Enchanted" was better than any Beatle album...and Rock and Roll feds showed up at my door!
   29. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:09 PM (#3116814)
Repoz, the Feds only showed up at your door because you cited Slanted instead of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, which is clearly their best album. Unless it's Wowee Zowee. Dammit, I'm never able to choose between those.
   30. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3116817)
Well they've only got Terror Twilight left to do, Shooty. And since they're pretty good sellers, to my understanding, I don't see why they wouldn't finish it up.

They better! <shakes fist> I need my own nerdy CD collection to battle my girl's Belle and Sebastian catalog. Talk about OCD. She buys the vinyl AND CD of their albums.
   31. The Marksist Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3116818)
I distinctly remember a Rolling Stone (or similar mag) interview where Malkmus responded to a question about whether the lyric was "career" or "Korea" with: "........ Yes."
   32. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:15 PM (#3116820)
ALL of their B-sides and rarities are available, in one form or another, on the new reissues.


A couple of the songs from the Major Leagues EP aren't on any reissue yet, to my knowledge. Some pretty good tracks there, too. "Stub your Toe" and "Decouvert de Soleil" are both really enjoyable.


Put a gun to my head, and I think I take Slanted and Enchanted. Then again, there's no gun to my head, and so I constantly flip flop on that.
   33. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM (#3116830)
Cornrows ARE neat. Sheesh. I was watching the Pitt game last night and wondering why Levance Fields suddenly looked like a slob, and it was because he had his hair in braids instead of cornrows.

As for Pavement, my collection of their records is one of a kind. I own the "Pacific Trim" 7" EP, the "Father to a Sister of Thought" 7" EP, the "Harness Your Hopes" CDEP, and "Westing by Musket and Sextant" on cassette. That's it.

How many copies of "Westing by Musket and Sextant" do you think people bought in CASSETTE format? 200? Well, one of them was at the used record store I used to go to in high school. As a result, my favorite Pavement song is "Forklift".

I also have the inexplicable cassingle version of the Nirvana/Jesus Lizard "Oh, the Guilt"/"Puss" split single.

How long did labels like Drag City and Touch & Go make cassettes? Like 1993 to 1996?
   34. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM (#3116833)
Repoz, the Feds only showed up at your door because you cited Slanted instead of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, which is clearly their best album. Unless it's Wowee Zowee.

They're all better than any Beatles record, as far as I'm concerned.

They better! <shakes fist> I need my own nerdy CD collection to battle my girl's Belle and Sebastian catalog. Talk about OCD. She buys the vinyl AND CD of their albums.

Shooty, does she have the original Tigermilk on vinyl? I used to bid hundreds on it every time it showed up on eBay before getting bid out by a dollar at the last minute. But then they reissued it on CD and saved me a gob of money.

Man, Belle & Sebastian were really really great once. Democracy killed that band.
   35. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3116835)
(from memory)
Chinese spectate riding forklift
Mother says no
Why can't I for forklift me?
Why, because I need money, time is my life, not hers.
(unintelligible noisy part)
   36. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3116837)
As for stuff that hasn't appeared on reiusses yet, http://www.wonderllama.com/pavecovers/, that website used to have a whole list of live cuts of Pavement covering various tracks, and they were all easily downloadable. I had them at one point, but then my laptop got stolen last year and, with it, all of my music I didn't have on any sort of hard copy. I'm still angry at myself for not thinking to do that. And now that website's down. Huge loss. I still have "1979" but that's it. The only other one I really distinctly remember was Oasis' "Wonderwall" which was about as ridiculous as it sounds.
   37. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:24 PM (#3116839)
Aw. C'mon. To hell with you guys. I wanted to talk about the Marlins.
   38. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:25 PM (#3116840)
Shooty, does she have the original Tigermilk on vinyl?

Not that one. In my naivete I decided I'd pick that up for her as a romantic gesture and I was soon educated on the rabidity of hardcore Belle and Sebastian fans.
   39. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:26 PM (#3116841)
I remember a big to-do about the "Pacific Trim" EP. Limited time only! Songs not available anywhere else! Pavement are the biggest band in Matador history and you need to buy this record! It's coming out really really soon and then it'll be gone! The vinyl version has a special song written for their tour of Australia!
   40. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:26 PM (#3116843)
Aw. C'mon. To hell with you guys. I wanted to talk about the Marlins.

Look, I'll debase myself one in a while and discuss things Marlins, but I'll be damned if I'm going to discuss the hair-do of a Marlin!
   41. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:28 PM (#3116845)
More like a hair-don't.
   42. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM (#3116851)
More like a hair-don't.

Exactly. Either one.
   43. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM (#3116852)
Marlins don't have hair anyway. As part of the new look for the team, all the players should be shaved bald, and the caps should have dorsal fins on them and incredibly long, pointy bills.
   44. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM (#3116853)
They're all better than any Beatles record, as far as I'm concerned.

Concur.

Man, Belle & Sebastian were really really great once. Democracy killed that band.


Is that what happened? I don't even listen to the classic stuff anymore. I think I'd just had enough of them. 8-9 years ago, I thought they were great.
   45. PerroX Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:37 PM (#3116860)
The universe is conspiring to send Hanley back to the Sox.
   46. Zac Schmitt Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:45 PM (#3116876)
He's the only Marlin who knows about Word's "Bullets and Numbering" function.


and he knows to put little dots before everything. the commisioner likes that.
   47. Repoz Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:48 PM (#3116882)
And the greatest Pavementally nicked song...

Rotary Downs with Feast in Squalor.
   48. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:48 PM (#3116883)
Crispix:
How many copies of "Westing by Musket and Sextant" do you think people bought in CASSETTE format? 200? Well, one of them was at the used record store I used to go to in high school. As a result, my favorite Pavement song is "Forklift".
For you, my friend, from the private Pavement archives of Esoteric:

The greatest performance of "Forklift" you've ever heard.

(It's in WMA. format because I've ripped all my Pavement shows to my computer and stashed the discs back at home. Hope you can deal with that format. And everyone else is welcome to download this too. I promise there are no nasty viruses or anything.)
   49. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:50 PM (#3116886)
By the way, my Pavement archive is VAAAAAST and I'm in the mood to take requests (nothing officially released, of course). If anyone wants a particularly great show from a certain era or something, just let me know. I'm in that sort of mood.
   50. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:52 PM (#3116888)
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:52 PM (#3116890)
Thanks Esoteric. My weekend is now planned.
   52. BFFB Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3116894)
Repoz, the Feds only showed up at your door because you cited Slanted instead of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, which is clearly their best album. Unless it's Wowee Zowee. Dammit, I'm never able to choose between those.


Buggered if I can choose between them either. Everytime it comes up I name a different one!

And Pavement >>> Beatles as far as this Englishman is concerned.
   53. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3116896)
By the way, my Pavement archive is VAAAAAST and I'm in the mood to take requests (nothing officially released, of course). If anyone wants a particularly great show from a certain era or something, just let me know. I'm in that sort of mood.


You don't happen to have those offbeat covers I was talking about above, do you.
   54. RJ in TO Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3116897)
Any opinions on Stephen Malkmus' post-Pavement work? For whatever reason, I'm always pleased when I hear (the song which I remember being) "The Hook", but I haven't heard too much else.
   55. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:56 PM (#3116900)
By the way, as much as I love Pavement, in any objective sense The Beatles >>>>> Pavement. And it's not even really close.

However, in terms of what I personally enjoy listening to? Pavement >>> The Beatles, for sure.
   56. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 06:59 PM (#3116904)
Any opinions on Stephen Malkmus' post-Pavement work? For whatever reason, I'm always pleased when I hear (the song which I remember being) "The Hook", but I haven't heard too much else.

I like it. His solo stuff and the Silver Jews. I like the Pavement stuff a lot more, though.
   57. Zac Schmitt Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:00 PM (#3116906)
Any opinions on Stephen Malkmus' post-Pavement work?


i generally find it good if a little slight. worth listening to, but don't trip over yourself trying to find it.

as an aside, his song "jenny and the s-dog" freaked me the hell out the first time i heard it, because it's about (if i recall correctly) a 30ish rocker (the "s-dog," real name sean) and an 18ish girl (jenny, as if you couldn't figure it out) and their romance, which i recall pretty heavily involved their dog. at the time, my girlfriend's brother, a studio musician/aspiring rockstar named sean, 31, was dating a girl, jen, of 19. shortly before i heard that song, they had bought a dog together.

that has nothing to do with anything, but man did i find it weird.
   58. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:00 PM (#3116907)
You don't happen to have those offbeat covers I was talking about above, do you.
Sadly, no. I have a large archive of complete shows (very few from 1997-1999, but pretty much every damn thing out there from 1989-1992 and a ton of 1994-1995 too). That does mean, of course, that I have them doing all sorts of covers, from "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" and the most half-assed version of "Camera" ever to "What Goes On?" and "It's A Rainy Day Sunshine Girl."
   59. BFFB Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:01 PM (#3116911)
By the way, as much as I love Pavement, in any objective sense The Beatles >>>>> Pavement. And it's not even really close.

However, in terms of what I personally enjoy listening to? Pavement >>> The Beatles, for sure.


Music is emotive and as I'm not a music historian... I'll take Pavement.
   60. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:04 PM (#3116913)
I like the first Malkmus album OK, I love Pig Lib, I found the recent one blah despite the raves it got. He's a tremendous guitar player, but I vastly prefer the jagged beauty and caustic wit of Pavement to the more formless solo stuff.

The Silver Jews are right there with Pavement in terms of inner-circle HOF music for me.

Esoteric, thanks for that generous offer. I will be posting a request for sure. I've seen Malkmus 3 times, the Jews twice, but Pavement never, alas... my biggest musical regret.
   61. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:07 PM (#3116917)
Esoteric, do you have a Toronto show from 1994-95?
   62. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3116918)
I like the second Preston School of Industry album as much as any of the Malkmus solo albums. If that guy was able to write songs as good as "Whalebones", his talents were going to waste as a non-songwriter in Pavement.
   63. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3116919)
because it's about (if i recall correctly) a 30ish rocker (the "s-dog," real name sean) and an 18ish girl (jenny, as if you couldn't figure it out)

She's 18, he's 31. She's a rich girl; he's the son of a Coca-Cola middleman.
   64. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:11 PM (#3116922)
"Whalebones" is amazing. I also saw PSOI live. Spiral ####### about Loria and made some negative comments about Malkmus.

Spiral wrote songs for just about every Pavement album, including "Kennel District" which is in my list above.
   65. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:12 PM (#3116924)
Any opinions on Stephen Malkmus' post-Pavement work?

I don't know anything about Pavement, but Malkmus did some good work on the I'm Not There soundtrack.
   66. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:13 PM (#3116927)
Sadly, no. I have a large archive of complete shows (very few from 1997-1999, but pretty much every damn thing out there from 1989-1992 and a ton of 1994-1995 too). That does mean, of course, that I have them doing all sorts of covers, from "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" and the most half-assed version of "Camera" ever to "What Goes On?" and "It's A Rainy Day Sunshine Girl."


Oh, man. The "What Goes On?" cover I remember being pretty solid. If you could upload that I would be forever grateful.
   67. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:15 PM (#3116930)
Malkmus did some good work on the I'm Not There soundtrack

Agreed, that was great stuff. Most of that soundtrack is really good.
   68. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:15 PM (#3116932)
Esoteric, thanks for that generous offer. I will be posting a request for sure. I've seen Malkmus 3 times, the Jews twice, but Pavement never, alas... my biggest musical regret.



I've gotten to Malkmus/Jicks twice. Pavement, however, were gone before I was even in high school, sadly.


edit: As for his solo stuff, when he puts out a great track, like, say, "Gardenia" or "Discretion Grove" or "(Do Not Feed The) Oyster" I think it can rank up there with some of the better Pavement stuff. It's just that there aren't nearly as many of those in his solo catalogue.
   69. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:16 PM (#3116934)
Esoteric, do you have a Toronto show from 1994-95?
I have their Lollapalooza performance from Barrie on July 23rd, 1995. Close enough for you?

EDIT: Setlist:

1.) Grounded
2.) Gold Soundz
3.) Conduit For Sale!
4.) Blackout
5.) ATandT
6.) Rattled By The Rush
7.) Stop Breathin'
8.) Range Life
9.) Father To A Sister Of Thought
10.) Two States
11.) Cut Your Hair
12.) Fight This Generation
13.) In The Mouth A Desert
   70. Zac Schmitt Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:16 PM (#3116936)
She's 18, he's 31. She's a rich girl; he's the son of a Coca-Cola middleman.


insanely accurate on the age, then. and she was fairly wealthy, though i don't know i'd say rich. the only difference is that he had and has nothing to do with coca-cola. still, pretty creepy.
   71. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:18 PM (#3116942)
Walewander:

In case you are interested in that show, take this brother may it serve you well.
   72. Zac Schmitt Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:18 PM (#3116943)

Agreed, that was great stuff. Most of that soundtrack is really good.


i actually really didn't like that soundtrack. most of the songs were good enough, but pointless as covers. the only two i remember standing out are sufjan stevens, whose typical bombast i didn't like (but at least it was different), and the hold steady, who were, as usual, excellent.

in some ways, i prefer the cat power version of "stuck..." a little better, but that doesn't make it interesting.
   73. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:22 PM (#3116949)
Thanks muchly, Eso. I am very grateful, and my friend who was there will be too.
   74. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:23 PM (#3116952)
Pavement, however, were gone before I was even in high school, sadly.


Holy cow, I'm old. And I'm not even that old.

I did not get to see Pavement until Terror Twilight, and sad to say, I found them pretty dull. Maybe it was an off-night or maybe it was because they were promoting their least-best record but I remember being very disappointed. U.S. Maple opened, and they were far more entertaining.
   75. Swedish Chef Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:25 PM (#3116956)
Oh, man. The "What Goes On?" cover I remember being pretty solid. If you could upload that I would be forever grateful.

I think I have those, but they are incredibly lousily encoded, like 64 kbit mp3.
   76. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:28 PM (#3116961)
Jonathan:
Oh, man. The "What Goes On?" cover I remember being pretty solid. If you could upload that I would be forever grateful.
Go in peace and sin no more, my child.

There's a radio version I've got in okay sound quality that may be the one you remember, but this is my personal favorite, from a great concert in Baltimore. And it's a 320kbps-encoded mp3. Complete with not one, but TWO false starts -- ragged but right, my friends.
   77. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:31 PM (#3116971)
There's a radio version I've got in okay sound quality that may be the one you remember, but this is my personal favorite, from a great concert in Baltimore. And it's a 320kbps-encoded mp3. Complete with not one, not two, but THREE false starts -- ragged but right, my friends.



You, sir, are a prince of a man.
   78. Ron Johnson Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:33 PM (#3116973)
I know I've mentioned this several times before, but:

From Harold Baines' scouting report: "Only my opinion but this player could be more trouble than he's worth. Took 5 points off for general attitude."

The problem as it turns out was that Baines wore his hair in cornrows.
   79. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:33 PM (#3116974)
You, sir, are a prince of a man.
The guitar solo is the tits. As are the new lyrics that Malkmus spontaneously invents. Great sound quality for an AUD recording, too.
   80. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:37 PM (#3116982)
The problem as it turns out was that Baines wore his hair in cornrows.

30 years ago? A man ahead of his time.
   81. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:40 PM (#3116985)
Walewander:

Spiral wrote songs for just about every Pavement album, including "Kennel District" which is in my list above.
He also wrote one of Pavement's greatest 'lost' tracks in "Painted Soldiers," a WZ-era outtake that ended up on the Kids In The Hall: Brain Candy soundtrack. (They also made a video for it, maybe the best Pavement video ever...you can find it on the Slow Century DVD.) The definitive version is from their 1995 BBC session included on the WZ 2-CD reissue...my god, my god, my god, it's the most radiant happy summer sunshine two-guitar-interplay funtime thing they ever did.

Kannberg never got enough credit, if you ask me.
   82. Repoz Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3116990)
I didn't realize the first time I saw Pavement...it was only their 4th show ever?

Aug 1991/Maxwell's

Box Elder, Baptiss Blacktick, Angel Carver/Mellow Jazz Docent, No Life Singed Her, In the Mouth a Desert, Debris Slide, Trigger Cut, Golden Boys, Wounded Kite, Home, Conduit for Sale, Here, Fame Throwa, Summer Babe
   83. The District Attorney Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3116992)
So one of the very best players in the sport, and the best on your team by several miles -- the young star who is not just the cornerstone of your franchise, but the very foundation -- is genuinely very angry about this. Is it really worth it, over hair? This seems like a dumb idea from the get-go that turned out to be even worse once they did it.
   84. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:45 PM (#3116993)
Repoz:

Would you like a copy of that show? I have it. And for an old AUD tape of an obscure-ass band that nobody cared about at the time, it's actually pretty friggin' sweet.

Best live version of "Baptist Blacktick" out there, IMHO.
   85. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:46 PM (#3116997)
So one of the very best players in the sport, and the best on your team by several miles -- the young star who is not just the cornerstone of your franchise, but the very foundation -- is genuinely very angry about this. Is it really worth it, over hair? This seems like a dumb idea from the get-go that turned out to be even worse once they did it.

Wow, what a weird non sequitur...
   86. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3116999)
Wow, what a weird non sequitur...
Yeah, what an assh*le he is, trying to inject a discussion of Hanley and the Marlins into our beautiful Pavement thread.
   87. Repoz Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3117000)
Would you like a copy of that show?

Thanks, but my buddy was the Maxwell's DJ/SB operator for years and he has all that stuff.
   88. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3117001)
Eso-

I know! "Painted Soldiers" made my top-ten list above. I'd never seen the video till I bought the wonderful DVD set. Too bad the book is so slipshod. Great design, boring content once they get out of high school. Nothing new.
   89. Lassus Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3117003)
It was right around the time that Pavement was becoming indie-known that the great Pavement/Redd Kross rock schism occurred in my musical tastes. Pavement was first, but Redd Kross won.

That being said, I've downloaded your links, Eso, thanks.


I've seen Malkmus 3 times, the Jews twice, but Pavement never, alas... my biggest musical regret.

Prince, Purple Rain tour, 1985 tickets IN MY HANDS, couldn't go.

Husker Du
   90. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:51 PM (#3117007)
Thanks, but my buddy was the Maxwell's DJ/SB operator for years and he has all that stuff.
Wait, are you telling me you have a SOUNDBOARD of that show within your reach? Listen man, I would give my firstborn to get my hands on a SBD of that show.
   91. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:52 PM (#3117009)
That being said, I've downloaded your links, Eso, thanks.
Just remember my name if that day ever comes when we hold a vote to nominate another moderator for the Newsstand...
   92. Charlie O Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:52 PM (#3117010)
I love Pavement they can't really be compared to The Beatles. Or I should say, they can't really be compared in a manner that is fair to either.
   93. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:53 PM (#3117011)
I know! "Painted Soldiers" made my top-ten list above. I'd never seen the video till I bought the wonderful DVD set. Too bad the book is so slipshod. Great design, boring content once they get out of high school. Nothing new.


Everyone seems to say that about the book, and so I never bought it. It's also amazing how many B-sides they have that make you wonder how they never wound up on a full-length. "Painted Soldiers" being one of the very best.
   94. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 07:55 PM (#3117015)
Are we talking about the "Perfect Sound Forever" book? I've never read it either. I mean, what else is there to know about the group's development that isn't discernable from what's been revealed on the reissues and the DVD?
   95. Depressoteric Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3117027)
It's also amazing how many B-sides they have that make you wonder how they never wound up on a full-length. "Painted Soldiers" being one of the very best.
The Greatest Pavement B-sides/Non-album/BBC/Unreleased tracks (excluding the Westing EPs):

1.) Baptist Blacktick
2.) Circa 1762 (live at the BBC 1992)
3.) Secret Knowledge Of Backroads (live at the BBC 1992)
4.) Frontwards
5.) Shoot The Singer (1 Sick Verse)
6.) So Stark (You're A Skyscraper)
7.) Greenlander
8.) Unseen Power Of The Picket Fence
9.) Soiled Little Filly
10.) All My Friends
11.) Raft
12.) The Sutcliffe Catering Song [Easily Fooled] (live at the BBC 1994)
13.) Painted Soldiers (live at the BBC 1995)
14.) Kris-Kraft
15.) Mussle Rock (Is A Horse In Transition)
16.) Give It A Day
17.) Harness Your Hopes
18.) Westie Can Drum
19.) No Tan Lines
20.) And Then... [The Hexx] (single version)
21.) The Killing Moon (live at the BBC 1997)
   96. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3117031)
Are we talking about the "Perfect Sound Forever" book? I've never read it either. I mean, what else is there to know about the group's development that isn't discernable from what's been revealed on the reissues and the DVD?


Exactly. The DVD, of course, is wonderful.
   97. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3117032)
This thread demonstrates what the real BTF groupthink is.

I know, it's great.
   98. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3117038)
8.) Unseen Power Of The Picket Fence

This.
   99. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3117040)
8.) Unseen Power Of The Picket Fence

This.


That is, of course, a great, great song.
   100. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: March 27, 2009 at 08:11 PM (#3117046)
1.) Baptist Blacktick
2.) Circa 1762 (live at the BBC 1992)
3.) Secret Knowledge Of Backroads (live at the BBC 1992)
4.) Frontwards
5.) Shoot The Singer (1 Sick Verse)
6.) So Stark (You're A Skyscraper)
7.) Greenlander
8.) Unseen Power Of The Picket Fence
9.) Soiled Little Filly
10.) All My Friends
11.) Raft
12.) The Sutcliffe Catering Song [Easily Fooled] (live at the BBC 1994)
13.) Painted Soldiers (live at the BBC 1995)
14.) Kris-Kraft
15.) Mussle Rock (Is A Horse In Transition)
16.) Give It A Day
17.) Harness Your Hopes
18.) Westie Can Drum
19.) No Tan Lines
20.) And Then... [The Hexx] (single version)
21.) The Killing Moon (live at the BBC 1997)


Any list like this always starts with Frontwards for me. Can't argue with the rest of the top 5 there, really. Sutcliffe is a personal favorite, and I'd probably bump that up to 4 or 5 and drop Secret Knowledge. I'd also argue you have Give it a Day too low. As for others I would include: Texas Never Whispers, Roll with the Wind, Lions (Linden), Stub Your Toe (a really underrated Kannberg cut, IMO), Box Elder, No More Kings.
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