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Sunday, November 06, 2011

I-70baseball: The Case For Ken Boyer

He happens to be the only Cardinal with a retired number who is not in the Hall of Fame.  Boyer should be in the Hall, not solely to clear that historical footnote, but because he was really good.


How good was Ken Boyer?  He finished in the MVP top 20 every year from 1958 through 1964.  Four of those years (1959-1961, 1964) he finished in the top ten, and won the MVP in 1964.  Boyer’s 119 OPS+ from 1955 to 1965 is seventh best among me with at least 5500 at bats during those years, and the men ahead of him on that list are all in the Hall of Fame.  A third baseman, he won five Gold Gloves while with the Cardinals.

bobm Posted: November 06, 2011 at 06:20 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. OCF Posted: November 06, 2011 at 10:32 PM (#3987530)
A link to his Hall of Merit discussion thread.

Boyer is in the Hall of Merit. At the same time, he's probably one of the weakest inductees of the HoM.

Clearly, Santo should go in ahead of Boyer. But it's not ridiculous to argue a case for Boyer.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: November 06, 2011 at 10:55 PM (#3987542)
Boyer is in the Hall of Merit. At the same time, he's probably one of the weakest inductees of the HoM.

Clearly, Santo should go in ahead of Boyer. But it's not ridiculous to argue a case for Boyer.


That is kinda what I was thinking, I always belief you should argue for the best case first before wasting time on a lesser candidate. Santo is a better choice, so the effort should be put into his case. If Boyer was on the regular ballot and Santo was on the Veterans ballot then I can see arguing for Boyer because you are arguing with a different group of voters, but since they are on the same ballot, then Santo is the guy to be expending effort on.
   3. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide Posted: November 06, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3987547)
That is kinda what I was thinking, I always belief you should argue for the best case first before wasting time on a lesser candidate. Santo is a better choice, so the effort should be put into his case. If Boyer was on the regular ballot and Santo was on the Veterans ballot then I can see arguing for Boyer because you are arguing with a different group of voters, but since they are on the same ballot, then Santo is the guy to be expending effort on.


The blog is I-70 baseball. Clearly their agenda is inducting Cardinals (and presumably Royals as well), and not to be fair or objective.
   4. Bob Evans Posted: November 07, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3987564)
He happens to be the only Cardinal with a retired number who is not in the Hall of Fame.

I like Boyer's case, but...giggle.
   5. Gern Blanston Posted: November 07, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3987573)
Sorry, but as long as Santo's out, there is no case for Boyer.
   6. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 07, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3987579)
The blog is I-70 baseball. Clearly their agenda is inducting Cardinals (and presumably Royals as well)


And Rockies, Pirates and the occasional comment on the Orioles.
   7. TomH Posted: November 07, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3987585)
... and the Utah sand...
   8. esseff Posted: November 07, 2011 at 01:51 AM (#3987607)
He happens to be the only Cardinal with a retired number who is not in the Hall of Fame.


Gussie Busch is not in the Hall of Fame. His retired number, btw, is 85, because that's how old he was when the team decided it would retire a number for him (and apparently it didn't occur to anyone that he would soon enough be 86). But at least the decision eliminated the wrangling among players year after year for the coveted No. 85 jersey.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: November 07, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3987614)
Boyer nosed out Nettles by 1 pt as the "worst" of the 18 Hall of Merit 3Bs.
Neither one was chosen as one of the top 13, and only one of 23 voters picked either one in the top 15 when they went head-to-head.

They're the only 2 who it seems really safe to say that few of us would actually pick them for the "real" Hall - they're just better than a couple of VC chumps, basically.

Which does mean they didn't have excellent careers. But if Boyer, then why not other HOM picks like Nettles, Stan Hack, Darrell Evans, etc.

Santo finished 7th...

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