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Tuesday, June 18, 2019

I ride or dye with OMNICHATTER!, for June 18, 2019

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Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:09 AM | 89 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5853116)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!

They're actually not THAT bad, but can't get over the .500 mark. So far, 0-the season when just one game under .500. Hoping that a healthy Upton and a finally rolling Ohtani can push them over that hump.
   2. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5853176)
Without looking, guess who's leading the AL in total bases? (And I would not have guessed this name in 100 guesses)
   3. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5853178)
Based on that, I'll guess Eddie Rosario.
   4. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5853193)
Hunter Pence? Shin-Soo Choo?
   5. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5853199)
Based on that, I'll guess Eddie Rosario.
Hunter Pence? Shin-Soo Choo?

None of the above.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:03 PM (#5853202)
Jorge Polanco?
   7. Bote Man Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5853204)
Jermaine Dye???
   8. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5853205)
Jorge Polanco?

Not Polanco. I would have guessed Polanco within 20 or 30 tries, I imagine.
   9. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5853210)
Jermaine Dye???

YES!
   10. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5853212)
No, it's not really Jermaine Dye.

But this person has made starts at 3 different positions, plus DH.

He usually bats 2nd or 3rd in his lineup, but has been the cleanup hitter in 7 games as well.
   11. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5853226)
He is a corner bat who was a former top three in Rookie of the Year voting.
   12. TomH Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5853227)
I was gonna go with JD Martinez. But I was wrong. The obvious answer of Mike Trout could not be right, per the way you worded the question.
   13. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5853228)
Trey Mancini. I know he's having a good year that no one is watching in Baltimore.
   14. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5853230)
Trey Mancini. I know he's having a good year that no one is watching in Baltimore.

Trey Mancini is correct! Second in the AL in extra-base hits, on pace for 347 total bases. Polanco and Trout are second and third.
   15. Bote Man Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5853254)
See, if Mike Trout played for the Orioles he'd get noticed, instead of wasting away on the west coast like he is.
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5853279)
speaking of the Orioles, they are trying to NOT be the first team to lose 13 consecutive series since...... the 1999 Cubs.

wow, those Cubs gave a ton of playing time to the rotting corpses of Gary Gaetti, Lance Johnson, Mickey Morandini, Benito Santiago, Jeff Reed, Jeff Blauser.....
   17. Bote Man Posted: June 18, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5853294)
Jamal Collier @JamalCollier
Max Scherzer took a ball off the face during a bunting drill earlier today. He was getting checked out by the teams training staff, but Martinez said he still expected him to start one of the games in tomorrow’s doubleheader.

And you Mets fans think you're the only ones cursed???
   18. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 18, 2019 at 05:06 PM (#5853301)
JUNE 18:

1902 John McGraw meets w/ NYG owner Andrew Freedman about jumping there
1909 3000 come out to League Park in Cincin 2 see nite baseball - CIn Elks vs Newport, KY team. Elks win 8-5
1911 White Sox take 13-1 lead on Tigers by middle of the fourth, but lose 16-15 w/ 3 runs in bottom of the ninth
1915 Charles Victory Faust, mascot/good luck charm for the 1911 Giants, dies at age 34t
1924 Eddie Collins ejected for the first time in 12 years. Ump is his former manager, Pants Rowland
1928 Last game: Charlie Robertson, one-time perfect game pitcher
1938 Ruth signs on to coach the Dodgers. Doesn’t take
1939 Lou Brock born
1940 Joe Medwick beaned by Bob Bowman, StL - onl y6 days after trade - carried off field in stretcher
1944 MLB debut: Jim Konstanty
1947 Ewell Blackwell throws no-hitter. CIN 6, BOB 0
1948 MLB debut: Robin Roberts
1948 last game: Thornton Lee
1950 Vin Scully calls his 1st Dodgers game. (Also listed as April 18, which began the season)
1953 Red Sox get 17 runs in 7th inning. Win 23-3 over Detroit
1958 MLB debut: Norm Cash
1961 Red Sox 13, Senators 12: WAS leads 7-5 after 8 innings - Was: 5 in top 9 & Boston with EIGHT RUNS in bottom 9th to win !!!!!
1961 Nellie Fox, off all people, hits walk-off HR. 2nd of 2 in his career
1961 Eddie Gaedel dies
1961 Andres Galaragga born
1962 Hank Aaron homers into CF bleachers at Polo Grounds. Joe Adcock did it in 1953 & Lou Brock did it—yesterday!!
1966 Sandy Alomar Jr born
1967 HOU - Don Wilson throws his first no-hitter. Faces 30 batters & fans 15. 3 BB
1967 Henry Aaron, for once in his life, loses it and attacks Rico Carty on team flight. Later he calls it, “the most embarassing moment of his life”
1968 MLB debut: Dock Ellis
1969 MLB debut: Buck Martinez
1969 John Kennedy rages at Emmett Ashford over called strike & ejected, kicks dugout water cooler. As called out on strikes, greeny kicked in
1974 Bobby Grich hits 3 HR
1974 200 wins: Jim Kaat
1975 Fred Lynn gets 10 RBI in game. 5-for-6 w/ 3B & 3 HR
1976 A’s sale of Vida Blue to NYY & Fingers/Rudi to BOX nullified by Bowie Kuhn
1976 750 homers: Hank Aaron
1977 Jim Palmer wins his 182nd game with BAL, passing Dave McNally as franchise leader. Still is
1977 Reggie Jackson - Billy Martin confrontation on national TV in Fenway Park when Jackson pulled mid-inning
1979 Hal Trosky dies
1979 Earl Weaver ejected for shredding rulebook
1980 John Montefusco gets in fist fight w/ manager Dave Bristol in manager’s office after the game
1982 2,000 hits: Reggie Jackson
1985 Peter Ueberroth announces mandatory drug testing program that will begin next month for minor league umps & players
1986 300 wins: Don Sutton
1988 last game: (in MLB) Bob Horner
1988 LA signs Pedro Martinez as amateur free agent
1989 PHI trade Steve Bedrosian to SF for Terry Mulholland. 3 other players infolved
1989 PHI trade Juan Samuel to NYM for Dykstra, R. McDowell. PHI tosses in PTBNL
1989 Matt Moore born
1990 last game: Claudell Washington
1991 Dave Dravecky’s left arm amputated
1993 Roberto Alomar’s only inside the park HR
1993 200 wins: Dennis Martinez
1994 last game: Bruce Hurst
1996 SD trades Brad Ausmus to DET in five player deal
1998 Brant Brown, CHC, hits 3 HR in one game
2000 Mike Lansing hits for the cycle
2002 Luis Castillo ties Rogers Hornsby’s 80-year-old record for longest hit streak by 2B-man: 33 games
2002 last game: Darryl Kile
2002 Jack Buck dies
2002 2,000 hits: Ken Griffey Jr.
2003 Larry Doby dies
2005 Derek Jeter hits grandslam. Off Joe Borowski fo the Cubs
2006 200 wins: Kenny Rogers
2007 Chone Figgins, LAA, get 6 hits
2008 Felix Hernadez, SEA, fans FLA side on 9 pitches in the 4th
2009 last game: Brian Giles
2010 Stephen Strasberg fans 10, for a total of 32 in his first 3 games, a new record (old one: 29 by J. R. Richard). CWS win this game, though
2012 R.A. Dickey tosses his 2nd consecutive 1-hitter. 1st in MLB since Dave Stieb in ‘88. 1st in NL since Tobin (BOB) in ‘44ish
2012 Aaron Hill, ARI, hits for the cycle. He’ll do it again 11 days later
2012 jury finds Roger Clemens not guilty on all charges
2014 Clayton Kershaw, LAD, throws no-hitter, fanning 15 against Colorado
2015 Ned Yost becomes the winningest manager in KCR franchise history
2015 LAD 1, TEX 0 - on the rare walk-off balk. Pinch-runner Enrique Hernandez fakes out reliever Keone Kela
2017 Nolan Arenado, COL, hits for the cycle
   19. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5853305)
Your AL batting average leaders (min 180 PAs)

1. Jorge Polanco, .332
2. James McCann, .324
3. Tim Anderson, .315
4. Hunter Dozier, .314
5. Austin Meadows, .314
6. Hanser Alberto, .312
   20. Master of the Horse Posted: June 18, 2019 at 05:31 PM (#5853307)
2015 Ned Yost becomes the winningest manager in KCR franchise history Seems kind of sad actually that he got there after five years not counting the remainder of the 2015 season. I did not know the Royals cycled through managers so regularly.
   21. RoyalFlush Posted: June 18, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5853312)
2015 Ned Yost becomes the winningest manager in KCR franchise history Seems kind of sad actually that he got there after five years not counting the remainder of the 2015 season. I did not know the Royals cycled through managers so regularly.


Really short sighted of the team to fire Whitey in '79.


   22. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 07:24 PM (#5853337)
Really short sighted of the team to fire Whitey in '79.

hey, no need to resort to slurs!
:)
   23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 18, 2019 at 07:34 PM (#5853340)
Not looking very good weather wise for East Coast games at the moment. I was rained out @ Nationals Park last night, and tonight looks very iffy, as do both games of tomorrow’s split doubleheader if the forecast holds.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 07:49 PM (#5853349)
Yankees start in about a half hour and they expect to get that game in
   25. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:18 PM (#5853361)
Another rain delay ? Maybe this climate change thang is real ?!
   26. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5853363)
2002 Jack Buck dies


Damn, the wrong Buck.
   27. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:22 PM (#5853365)
Let's go Bombers !
   28. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5853368)
Pretty soon Julio Teheran will be another free-agent pitcher mystified that no one trusts him.
   29. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5853369)
Scherzer broke his nose during BP bunting ? Is that a joke ?

Oh no, just saw the video. Yikes !
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5853370)
Mets lead the Braves 4-0 (!), 3rd inning, first and second, 2 out, deGrom batting, 0-2 count.

any Little Leaguer will of course tell you that if you go "by the book," you (don't) try a double steal. well, the Mets did - and it worked.

fun twist: while Rosario stole third, it was Carlos Gomez who gets credit for the swipe of second against his buddy Brian McCann.
:)

deGrom then went foul, ball, foul - and he whiffed.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:34 PM (#5853371)
As good a place and time as any to note that the NL has a 70-54 (.565) edge in interleague play this year. Not gonna bother with a full who's played who rundown ... there has been a big dose of Tigers (3-10) and Jays (2-11) but not so much yet with the Royals and O's and even the vaunted AL West is just one over. The Giants have also played 13 (6-7) and the Marlins 9 (5-4) and the only NL team with a genuinely bad record against the AL so far is Milw at 2-5. The Rays are romping at 9-4. The DBacks (9-4) and, go figure, the Pirates (7-2) are romping in the NL.
   32. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:36 PM (#5853373)
Paul O'Neill remembers wet hats ... and the smell of them ... what a dude !
   33. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:38 PM (#5853374)
Paulie is a goober, but I loves him just the same ...
   34. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:39 PM (#5853375)
Hicks needs to UP his game a little. Just a tiny bit.
   35. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5853377)
Comeon, load em up for STANTON !

Oh shucks.
   36. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:43 PM (#5853378)
Justin Verlander has now allowed 19 homers this year, in 103 innings.
   37. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5853379)
Don't worry about it Stanton, we now have Encarnación.
Just relax, take a few and let Edgar do it.
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:46 PM (#5853380)
Aaron Judge has homered for Scranton.
   39. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5853381)
Aaron Judge has homered for Scranton.


DJ Encarnación lyrics.

   40. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5853386)

David Lennon
‏Verified account @DPLennon
10m10 minutes ago

Some of the Bronx crowd was on its feet as Stanton got an enthusiastic welcome back.

The he popped up to the catcher.

A few people booed.

#Yankees
   41. rconn23 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5853387)
Yankees top prospect Deivi Garcia has struck out the first eight batters he faced tonight for Double A Trenton. Could he replace JA Happ mid game? I'm not familiar with the rules on that.
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5853390)

Gabe Lacques
‏Verified account @GabeLacques

Max Scherzer indeed suffered a broken nose this afternoon in bunting mishap, the Nationals confirmed. He underwent a CAT scan that was negative. #Nationals say "status is TBD" for tomorrow's start.
8:09 PM - 18 Jun 2019
   43. rconn23 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5853393)
JA Happ five hits through two innings. Very on brand. This has to be one of Cashman's worst FA signings.
   44. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5853403)
I know they’re professional athletes, but how in the world could you even consider starting the day after breaking your nose?
   45. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5853404)
Angels win! Back to .500!
   46. Red Voodooin Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:45 PM (#5853406)
Very weird call in the Cubs-White Sox game. Tim Anderson on first, Abreu batting 3-2 pitch from Hamels, strike out, Anderson is running, throw to second, he's easily safe. Throw is off line. But the home plate umpire rules Abreu interfered with Victor Caratini's throw and it's a double play. Len and Jim were saying that they could have sent Anderson back to first if they thought the contact was incidental, but evidently because they deemed this interference intentional (it didn't really look like it to me) so the runner is out.
   47. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:46 PM (#5853407)
43- This Happ is gonna be one of those things like Chase Headley, where you make him sound like Charlie Brown but when I actually look at his numbers I’ll learn he’s in fact just boringly average, isn’t it?
   48. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5853408)
6 and 3 with a 4.59 ERA. Knock me over with a feather!
   49. Red Voodooin Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5853413)
RE: 43

Len and Jim just clarified (they are the best): by rule, since there were two strikes, the runner is out on batter's interference of the catcher. If there had been less than two outs, the runner would have been sent back to first. That's a curious rule.
   50. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:57 PM (#5853414)
I know they’re professional athletes, but how in the world could you even consider starting the day after breaking your nose?

Hockey players scoff at such thoughts. A MLB pitcher isn’t a boxer, if Scherzer isn’t in a lot pain and his breathing is OK, a little non-contact activity shouldn’t hurt. Max is highly competitive - he probably relishes the thought of pitching with a broken nose.
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5853415)
Ex-MLB star Lenny Dykstra spent 9 hours dumpster diving outside a Jersey Mike’s. Here’s why.
if this doesn't get you to click.....

"The dentures are specially made with bone marrow and valued at $80,000, he said.

For the next nine hours, Dykstra said he and a friend – a tag-team wrestler who goes by Sprinkles the Clown – dug through the dumpster behind Jersey Mike’s."
   52. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5853416)
OONTZ!!!

2-2!
   53. Brian C Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5853417)
Very weird call in the Cubs-White Sox game. Tim Anderson on first, Abreu batting 3-2 pitch from Hamels, strike out, Anderson is running, throw to second, he's easily safe. Throw is off line. But the home plate umpire rules Abreu interfered with Victor Caratini's throw and it's a double play. Len and Jim were saying that they could have sent Anderson back to first if they thought the contact was incidental, but evidently because they deemed this interference intentional (it didn't really look like it to me) so the runner is out.

Further clarification is that intent wasn't the issue, but rather the runner was out because Abreu had already struck out. In that case, the runner is out as well - if it had been strike two, then Abreu would have been out and the runner returned to first.

ETA: Coke
   54. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5853418)
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!
   55. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5853419)
Cubs' PA announcer just announced the 7th inning stretch singer, former Rage Against the Machine guitarist Tom Morello, as "John Morillo."
   56. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5853420)
Why did the Red Sox remove Price after only 73 pitches?
   57. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:06 PM (#5853421)
Really short sighted of the team to fire Whitey in '79.


Really short sighted of Dick Howser to get a brain tumor.
   58. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5853423)
Suck that, shift!!!
   59. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5853429)
And, Eloy Jimenez has officially come back to haunt the Cubs.
   60. Brian C Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5853430)
When Strop doesn't have it, he really doesn't have it.
   61. Red Voodooin Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5853437)
And, Eloy Jimenez has officially come back to haunt the Cubs.


I hope I'm wrong about this, but I think we'll forever think about Jose Quintana in relation to Eloy, as opposed to anything great he did for the Cubs (acknowledging that a league average SP who eats innings for many years is still quite valuable).
   62. Brian C Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM (#5853440)
Of course, going into today Jimenez still had a negative bWAR despite a hot bat recently, so Eloy still has a way to go before he's more valuable than Quintana (1.3 bWAR this year).
   63. Brian C Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:50 PM (#5853443)
Also, this wouldn't even be an issue tonight if the Cubs' offense had managed to score more than one run off of Ivan Nova and his 6+ ERA.
   64. Bote Man Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5853445)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
Mickey Callaway said he brought Robert Gsellman into an eight-run game because he feared there would be runners on base, and he didn't want any inherited runs to go on Jacob deGrom's stat line.

deGrom gave up back-to-back home runs so the bases were empty when Mickey took him out. What's to fear?? This guy makes Dave Martinez look like a bullpen genius.
   65. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:05 PM (#5853446)
Sox/Twins locked up at 2-2 heading to the last half of the ninth. So far in this series the Twins have not homered after hitting a gazillion of them before facing the seemingly slightly above average pitching of the Red Sox.
   66. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5853447)
deGrom gave up back-to-back home runs so the bases were empty when Mickey took him out. What's to fear?? This guy makes Dave Martinez look like a bullpen genius.

the Mets bullpen is SO bad - you should be able to relate! - and deGrom is so good (and cooperative but feisty) that, given the fragile state of the team, I think it was the right move.

he shows respect by letting deGrom go longer - and also by not letting still more inherited runners score thanks to relievers who don't even deserve to launder deGrom's uniform.

Callaway is not good, but obviously the GM is the bigger disaster so far, by a lot.
   67. Bote Man Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5853448)
There were no runners on base to be inherited, so deGrom's record was "safe". If a reliever gives up a hit or a home run, then that accrues to the reliever. Please tell me what I'm missing because after watching the Nationals wait 3 hours over 2 consecutive days only to bang the games I'm not thinking right.
   68. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:20 PM (#5853452)
There were no runners on base to be inherited, so deGrom's record was "safe". If a reliever gives up a hit or a home run, then that accrues to the reliever. Please tell me what I'm missing because after watching the Nationals wait 3 hours over 2 consecutive days only to bang the games I'm not thinking right.
Probably that he had to warm up a reliever before deGrom gave up the homers, so he was anticipating a situation in which deGrom gave up a base hit or two to lead off the inning.

It's still dumb though.
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5853454)
There were no runners on base to be inherited, so deGrom's record was "safe".

and that's why he left the game with no inherited runners. I think he was only going to allow one runner to reach base before the yank, and after he allowed two HR, he figured even better to let him leave with no one on base.

again, not a fan of Calloway, but in this bizarre season, I think he read the tea leaves correctly.

deGrom got screwed out of at least 12 W last year - and took it like a man.

if he's now getting tired of RPs screwing him either on Ws or on inherited runners this year - and he is - you try to keep your franchise player happy.
   70. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM (#5853455)
Great win by the Yanks tonight, but WILL THE RED SOX EVER LOSE?
   71. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5853458)
deGrom got screwed out of at least 12 W last year - and took it like a man.
"Took it like a man?" No one, deGrom included, should have cared in the slightest about those (or any) Ws. He still won the Cy Young with 29 first place votes. No team will give his W-L record any consideration whatsoever in contract negotiations. Those "lost" Ws cost him absolutely nothing.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:51 PM (#5853460)
first off, I don't think we're into the era yet where SPs don't care about wins.

but secondly, the biggest reason the Mets didn't contend last year was because they pissed away an amazing number of stellar deGrom performances.

deGrom belonged in the playoffs - this wasn't 1972 Steve Carlton Phillies. and if his teammates hadn't spit the bit time after time, he could have been on that big stage.

"No one, deGrom included, should have cared in the slightest about those (or any) Ws."

that suggests that all that matters is how may Cy Young votes he gets.
he shouldn't be pissed off to sit out the postseason last year?

"Those "lost" Ws cost him absolutely nothing."

nothing except what matters.

athletes are kind of, well, competitive. and deGrom is pretty old school to boot.
   73. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:57 PM (#5853463)
The context of your comment had nothing to do with team losses or missing the playoffs - it was only about his individual stats. Yes, I'm sure he was upset that those team losses contributed to missing the playoffs. But Callaway bringing in a better reliever with a huge lead because he didn't want to risk hanging additional ERs on deGrom's total is also completely about deGrom's individual stats.

first off, I don't think we're into the era yet where SPs don't care about wins.
Maybe, but that kind of irrationality doesn't need to be catered to by a manager. In the end, it's probably no big deal in the context of this particular situation, unless Gsellman isn't available tomorrow and they end up having to use someone inferior in a close game. But in principle, that's a bad decision making process for a manager to have.

   74. Howie Menckel Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:26 AM (#5853467)
the context is that the Mets entire season is running over a high flame, and Gsellman - like the rest of the Mets' bullpen except maybe Lugo - sucks.

I don't think pissing off your franchise player in an otherwise desperately-needed win is worth it - not only what it tells deGrom, but what it tells all the other players. the game is easily won, and he tries to mollify a franchise guy who is not a prima donna. that's not going to piss any other player off.

this team is way beyond focusing on every possible 1 pct incremental benefit to tomorrow night's game.

this is an emergency, and sometimes it's not crazy to act accordingly.

these players are not robots.
   75. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:28 AM (#5853468)
WILL THE RED SOX EVER LOSE?


Hopefull not today my friend. Mookie with the homer in the 13th to take the lead!

However the Red Sox are the least of the worries for NY. The real question is can anyone stop the Astros, then beat the Dodgers for the title? The season is long, but those 2 right now look the goods.
   76. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:33 AM (#5853472)
And Kepler ties it in the bottom of the 13th....
   77. rconn23 Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:45 AM (#5853475)
Maybe it's just because I've seen the Yankees beat them a trillion times, but I'm not taking the Twins seriously.
   78. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:49 AM (#5853476)
speaking of the Orioles, they are trying to NOT be the first team to lose 13 consecutive series since...... the 1999 Cubs.

So, that didn't work out.
A's schmursch O's, 16-2.
   79. rconn23 Posted: June 19, 2019 at 01:32 AM (#5853479)
Sano 0-7 with 5ks for the Twins. Oof.
   80. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 01:42 AM (#5853481)
Red Sox had runner on 3rd with nobody out in top of 17th . . . and do not score. J. D. Martinez 0 for 8 tonight.
   81. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 01:57 AM (#5853482)
Twins put runners on 2nd & 3rd, 1 out. Red Sox IBB, and go 5-man infield. Single to RF ends game. 4-3 Twins.

Cora screaming at umpires, as they leave the field. Maybe sufficient for a fine.
   82. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 19, 2019 at 07:31 AM (#5853491)
Happiness is waking up to find the Red Sox 8 games back in the loss column.

However the Red Sox are the least of the worries for NY. The real question is can anyone stop the Astros, then beat the Dodgers for the title? The season is long, but those 2 right now look the goods.

First things first, with the first thing being to avoid the wild card game. Hopefully if the Yanks meet the Astros in the postseason, they'll have boosted their rotation above the sorry state it's in today.

As for the Dodgers, they look great on paper, but they looked great on paper in 2017 and 2018 with nothing much to show for it. And again, first things first.
   83. TomH Posted: June 19, 2019 at 07:53 AM (#5853494)
well, the Dodgers DO have two NL pennants to show for it. Nats fans might be happy with that!
   84. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 19, 2019 at 09:19 AM (#5853505)

Just saw the highlights of the Twins-Red Sox game. What was Cora screaming at the umpires about?

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well, the Dodgers DO have two NL pennants to show for it. Nats fans might be happy with that!

Hell, Nats fans would be happy just to see them make it to the LCS. The only living person I can think of who was alive the last time Washington won a pennant is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

EDIT: Wait, Kirk Douglas is almost old enough to have played on that 1933 team. Great googamooga!

   85. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5853522)
What was Cora screaming at the umpires about?

Before Rosario doubled in the 17th, he fouled off a bunt attempt, and Cora contended he was outside the batters box when he made contact (which would have been an out). Umpires said no, and it wasn’t reviewable, but replay indicated Rosario had his foot on what remained of the the front line. Foot has to be completely out of the box according to rule cited on Twins broadcast that was on Extra Innings. Cora did apologize in his post-game news conference, but I don’t know if he saw the play wrong on wasn’t familiar with the rule.
   86. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5853523)
The only living person I can think of who was alive the last time Washington won a pennant is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Steven (99) is older than Ginsburg (or Andy) and was present at, and vouches for, Babe Ruth’s ‘Called Shot’.
   87. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5853534)
“Stevens” in #86.
   88. Cris E Posted: June 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5853553)
The Twins' announcers were talking about that bunt attempt and produced two main thoughts: Rosario was pretty much out of the box, and that was a young umpire that should have been asking for help.
   89. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 19, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5853559)
Cora contended he was outside the batters box when he made contact (which would have been an out)
If that rule were ever actually enforced against batters whose back foot is out of the box, we would see about three no-hitters a week.

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