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Sunday, October 21, 2012

Ian O’Connor: A-Rod no longer untouchable star

“That one man, scorned and covered with scars…”

New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman called a trade of Alex Rodriguez “unrealistic,” but said he would listen to offers for his third baseman—a player he conceded is no longer a superstar—if teams called to inquire about him.

... “It’s not like I’m going to hang phones up on anybody who wants to make any overtures about anything,” Cashman told O’Connor. “You’re talking about realistic stuff and unrealistic stuff. I don’t think it’s realistic at all for us to be moving forward with anything but Alex Rodriguez at third base.

“He’s still an above-average third baseman. ... That means despite the contract that we had committed to him, that he’s an asset at this stage still. I don’t see us doing anything there. I don’t anticipate it. If someone wants to make phone calls, we’re more than willing to do all that stuff with any of our players, and that’s fine. You can run into something that way.

“But listen, the sooner we put to bed any expectation or anticipation that the Yankees are going to be solely focused on trying to move Alex Rodriguez. ... I think that would be false. And it would be just a lot of wasted energy on anybody’s part to be thinking.”

... But Cashman agreed A-Rod’s days as a superstar are finished, something A-Rod himself has refused to concede.

“Do I expect him to return to the MVP-caliber type Alex Rodriguez? No,” Cashman said. “Obviously you decline with age, and he’s getting up there in his age. ... So no, that would be very unrealistic to think as well. But despite the age where he’s at, he’s still an above-average player at that position.

“Is he a superstar at that position? No. But I think when anybody signed that (10-year, $275 million) contract (in 2007), expecting him to be at that level at that age would be unrealistic also.”

Repoz Posted: October 21, 2012 at 05:20 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 21, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4278192)
During these playoffs, he's looked more like an untouchable in the Indian caste sense.
   2. depletion Posted: October 21, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4278206)
Not in the Eliot Ness sense, however.
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4278355)
Is Cashman the most honest GM out there right now?
   4. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4278362)
you really can't get anything over on Ian O Connor. I really thought A-Rod was still the best player in baseball. But now I know better.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4278414)
That was one big pull off the objective hooka.
   6. BDC Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4278416)
despite the age where he’s at, he’s still an above-average player at that position


I checked this assertion against some of the B-Ref PI stats. There were 22 third basemen last year who had over 400 PAs. AROD was 12th in OPS+, so just below the median. (He was 12th in unadjusted OPS, also.) He was 13th in B-Ref RField, and overall that was good for 14th in WAR. He seems to have had just about an average year for a regular third baseman, and given that eight teams couldn't even scrounge together a regular third baseman, Cashman is right, though not by a great deal. One can of course hope he rebounds a little next year, and at least one of the guys who had a better year (Chipper Jones) will be gone.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4278452)
I checked this assertion against some of the B-Ref PI stats.


I figured he just looked at bb-ref and saw Arod with a war of 2.0/3.7/3.9 the last three years and made the assumption from there.
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 21, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4278481)
For anyone who cares about stuff like this, the link Repoz has up there is probably the best song ever put into the mouth of a sitcom character. Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle sang the crap out of that.
   9. Textbook Editor Posted: October 21, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4278499)
That last paragraph is basically a 'hey I didn't offer him that contract!'-type statement by Cashman.
   10. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: October 21, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4278506)
I don't really care about stuff like that, but you're right--sing the crap out of it he did.
   11. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM (#4278573)
So if Rodriguez declines a bit more and is no longer an "above-average third baseman", then they would trade him for nothing along with a bunch of cash? They'd bench him? Cut him outright? Eeeeek.
   12. bartap74 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:29 AM (#4278696)
It should be noted that ARod accomplished what he did despite missing significant time because of injury. He could realistically have a .280 30 100 type of comeback year, though that's probably the height of his upside going forward.
   13. silhouetted by the sea Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:39 AM (#4278710)
For anyone who cares about stuff like this, the link Repoz has up there is probably the best song ever put into the mouth of a sitcom character. Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle sang the crap out of that.

I noticed you limited the statement to sitcom characters. I assume that was because you did not want to compare it to William Shatner.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:54 AM (#4278713)
For anyone who cares about stuff like this, the link Repoz has up there is probably the best song ever put into the mouth of a sitcom character.

Not exactly a lot of competition there but I'd personally prefer the stuff that occasionally popped up on the Andy Griffith show (not the Gomer stuff).

Outside of Andy Griffith, what have we got? Desi must have taken a turn or two (but maybe others sang it); Cop Rock wasn't a sitcom I don't think; I don't think I ever saw the singing detective; didn't Pottsie have an embarrassing band on Happy Days? I suppose most sitcoms with kids get there eventually but usually not until they're desperate (or Disney ... same thing).

Nah, all the stuff on South Park wins, especially if you include the movie.

Now that I think of it, has there ever been a sitcom based on a rock star? It practically writes itself!
   15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 22, 2012 at 05:26 AM (#4278714)
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4278741)
Now that I think of it, has there ever been a sitcom based on a rock star? It practically writes itself!

"Here we come, walkin' down the street, gettin' funniest looks from everyone we meet"
   17. BDC Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:56 AM (#4278755)
Outside of Andy Griffith, what have we got?

Griffith had excellent Broadway pedigree, and so did Dick Van Dyke. IIRC each year the Dick Van Dyke cast would do a Christmas or some other kind of special where they'd do variety numbers. I can't remember anything Rose Marie might have sung in those shows (she was, of course, a really good artiste of the Rosemary Clooney school). But I remember Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore singing "Mountain Greenery" memorably.

EDIT: Didn't mean to speak of Van Dyke in the past tense. He is perfectly alive and probably fixing to open in some sort of revue this winter with Angela Lansbury.
   18. Tom T Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4278799)
Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle sang the crap out of that.


My friends from the Purdue AAMB used to love to participate in the opening events at the Indy 500 each year...EXCEPT for when Jim sang (heck, sings) "(Back Home Again in) Indiana". They all have had great experiences with him, but apparently when he does his number, he never keeps a consistent tempo so they spend the entire song working to keep within a half-beat of him. I don't know how much of this is age-related (I'm speaking from the early '90s onward), or if it is just the way he does the song to get the best crowd reaction.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4278801)
Scrubs did an entire musical episode, though none of the cast had Gomer's pipes.
   20. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4278806)
"Everything Comes Down to Poo" is my ringtone.
   21. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4278890)
For anyone who cares about stuff like this, the link Repoz has up there is probably the best song ever put into the mouth of a sitcom character.

How soon everyone forgets about Leather Tuscadero.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4278903)

Nah, all the stuff on South Park wins, especially if you include the movie.

If you're counting animated shows, the Simpsons and Family Guy have had some great numbers too. South Park still probably wins though.
   23. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4278917)
Scrubs did an entire musical episode, though none of the cast had Gomer's pipes.


Buffy the Vampire Slayer had an all-musical episode.
From what I've heard from the fans, it's well received.
   24. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4278925)
the Simpsons and Family Guy have had some great numbers too. South Park still probably wins though.


I don't think anything will ever top "A Fish Called Selma" episode of the Simpsons.

Troy: I hate every ape I see
From chimpan-a to chimpan-zee
No you'll never make a monkey out of me

Oh my God, I was wrong
It was Earth all along
You've finally made a monkey

Apes: Yes we've finally made a monkey

Troy: Yes you've finally made a monkey out of me
Apes: Yes we've finally made a monkey out of you

Troy: I love you, Dr. Zaius!
   25. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4279076)
To score a 10 would be just fine, but I'd rather be dressed to the nines.
   26. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4279086)
Katie Holmes sang in Dawson's Creek. It was awesome. Have no idea how she sounded though.
   27. Belfry Bob Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4279140)
Outside of Andy Griffith, what have we got?

That 'Ricky Nelson' fella on The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet turned a pretty good tune occasionally...
   28. Morty Causa Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4279214)
Well, yes, Ricky. And The Monkees. And The Partridge Family. And for kids, in the '50s, there was Roy Rogers and Gene Autry, who did their sort of stuff very well.

And there was a Beatles animated series. The Beatles had nothing to do with, except for allowing their songs to be used, but, still, it was a series that feature them in animation and their songs were used.

EDIT: Oh, and Desi Arnaz and his band played on the I Love Lucy thing. And George Burns sometimes sang a little on Burns & Allen. As did Danny Thomas on his show. Beverly Hillbillies often had "hillbilly" singers and players, like Flatt and Scruggs, incorporated into plot lines.
   29. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4279220)
The song in the Simpsons where Monty Burns sings about turning animals into clothing is good. I can't remember all of it, but one of the lines is

"See this hat?
"Twas my cat"
   30. BDC Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4279222)
I seem to remember an episode of Cheers where Dan Hedaya and Rhea Perlman dance to "Unchained Melody." Why do I remember this sort of thing and not the content of my own class lectures?
   31. DL from MN Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4279223)
has there ever been a sitcom based on a rock star?


Isn't this every show on Disney Channel?
   32. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4279246)
Nothing named above touches Gomer. In the camp category, it begins and ends with Gilligan's Island's "Hamlet."
   33. Dan The Mediocre Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4279337)
"See this hat?
"Twas my cat"


My evening wear, vampire bat.
   34. Coot Veal and Cot Deal's cols=“100” rows=“20” Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4280069)
"See this hat?
"Twas my cat"


reminiscent of "Fleas"

Adam
Had 'em


   35. puck Posted: October 23, 2012 at 02:08 AM (#4280361)
Jim Nabors was obviously a serious singer. As a kid I only knew him from the Gomer Pyle re-runs, until someone started hawking his albums during the commercial breaks. Singing in that baritone, it was hard to believe it was the same guy.
   36. Cooper Nielson Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:34 AM (#4280371)
Nell Carter/Harper used to sing all the time on Gimme a Break. Florence Henderson had her moments on The Brady Bunch too.
   37. just plain joe Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4280403)
IIRC each year the Dick Van Dyke cast would do a Christmas or some other kind of special where they'd do variety numbers. I can't remember anything Rose Marie might have sung in those shows (she was, of course, a really good artiste of the Rosemary Clooney school).


That sounds right. Morey Amsterdam was a talented musician as well; he started as a singing comedian in vaudeville and was a published song writer.
   38. Eddo Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM (#4280432)
My evening wear, vampire bat.

Grizzly bear underwear
Turtles' necks - I've got my share
   39. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4280437)
Morey Amsterdam was a talented musician as well; he started as a singing comedian in vaudeville and was a published song writer.


He wrote "Rum and Coca-Cola," which was a big hit for the Andrews Sisters.
   40. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4280442)
Well, yes, Ricky. And The Monkees. And The Partridge Family. And for kids, in the '50s, there was Roy Rogers and Gene Autry, who did their sort of stuff very well.

And there was a Beatles animated series. The Beatles had nothing to do with, except for allowing their songs to be used, but, still, it was a series that feature them in animation and their songs were used.

EDIT: Oh, and Desi Arnaz and his band played on the I Love Lucy thing. And George Burns sometimes sang a little on Burns & Allen. As did Danny Thomas on his show. Beverly Hillbillies often had "hillbilly" singers and players, like Flatt and Scruggs, incorporated into plot lines.


The Silver Platters
   41. SoSH U at work Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4280475)
The Silver Platters

I preferred the grittier Brady Six.
   42. Walt Davis Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4280934)
Now, now, now, we've gotten sidetracked (never!) ... the claim was (emphasis added):

the link Repoz has up there is probably the best song ever put into the mouth of a sitcom character.

So it's a question of where you think the impossible dream ranks relative to daydream believer, for example.

The Buffy musical episode was fine but it wasn't a sitcom (especially not that episode) so not qualified for this Grammy.

The Monkees, the Partridge Family, the Disney stuff are sitcoms about pop stars not rock musicians. I mean something in the Spinal Tap, Osbournes (which maybe counts), Get him to the Greek sort of school. A nice dark comedy perhaps. Alas, yes, it would get turned into a family sitcom about a struggling single dad forced to take his two kids on the road with him with the gorgeous nanny/tutor and the will they won't they thing.

Eh, I suppose Californication is close enough to what I'm thinking about, just with a writer rather than a rock star.
   43. Srul Itza Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4280993)
Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle sang the crap out of that.


Jim has a home out here, and although he has been ill, he came out for last year's Marine Corps band Christmas show/toys for tots concert. He did a creditable Little Drummer Boy and Silent Night.
   44. Srul Itza Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4280995)
That sounds right. Morey Amsterdam was a talented musician as well;


I seem to recall him playing the cello. And I remember the musical numbers.

I am a fine musician,
That's what the people say
And all the children follow me,
When they hear me play
My piccolo, my piccolo
They love to hear my piccolo


Now, could you sing those lyrics today?
   45. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4281010)
The song in the Simpsons where Monty Burns sings about turning animals into clothing is good. I can't remember all of it, but one of the lines is

See my vest.

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