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Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Read the whole article. Jenkins then goes on about the way the Giants put together their two-time World Series championship team, claiming that it’s all about old school scouting and experience and grit and all of that stuff and how the people who employ advanced analytical tools to build baseball teams have it all wrong.
It’s bad enough on its own, but it’s much worse when one realizes that Jenkins simply has his facts wrong. Dreadfully wrong. Wrong to the point of basic journalistic malpractice. Why? Because he doesn’t once mention the name Yeshayah Goldfarb. Who is Yeshayah Goldfarb? Glad you asked!
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1. Mefisto Posted: October 30, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4288494)Maybe that's just luck, but it seems like SOMEONE must have seen SOMETHING there.
(Of course, as some might remember, this was Vogelsong's second time with the organization...he was one of the prospects they sent to Pittsburgh a decade ago to acquire Jason Schmidt.)
A nice Irish lad, I presume.
He was the only prospect. The other player the Pirates got was Armando Rios, who was almost 30, and was Armando Rios.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the team, but it certainly seems like personal relationships play a huge role in signing guys like this (which is only to be expected, I suppose, since the contents of the contract offers aren't going to differ much).
Anyway ... Arias? C'mon, this one has to be sheer luck. 270/304/389, 97 OPS+ this year. In his minimal ML career before that he'd hit 276/314/362 which is obviously close enough to what he did this year but that was only good for a 79 OPS+ (mostly Texas). That was good for -.3 WAR, this year he had 1 WAR in half a season. His career AAA line is 274/305/374, all in the PCL (Oklahoma mainly, I have no idea if that's one of the crazy PCL places to hit).
Yeshayah Goldfarb enters his 12th season in the Giants baseball operationsdepartment. He helps run the minor league operations on a day-to-day basis andprovides analytical and statistical analysis for, but not limited to, player acquisition and development.
A former intern with the club in 2001, Goldfarb graduated from theUniversity of California, San Diego with a degree in History. A former pitcher,he played four seasons with the Tritons and earned most inspirational Player andthe John Roth Memorial Award (Charlie Hustle) in 2000.
Goldfarb and his wife, Miranda, have a daughter, Eliana, and a son, Ezra, and reside in Berkeley, CA
Why wouldn't it be? Scouts watch players over the age of 22.
Why of course they do. I am sure Berkeley has the highest number of Goldfarbs in the continental USA.
* Tim Lincecum 67 ERA+, 18M
* Aaron Rowand, 0 PA, 13.6M
* Aubrey Huff, 95 PA, 10M
* Brian Wilson 2 IP, 8.5M
* Freddy Sanchez, 0 PA, 6M
75.1M spent on probably pretty close to 0 wins; more than 20M more than the A's entire payroll.
If moneyball is about operating efficiently and getting the most out of the least, that is indeed an anti-moneyball club.
We've reached a point where every major league team makes some use of quantitative analysis, and makes some use of qualitative analysis. Different teams value each in varying degrees - the key is finding a good balance for your unique set of circumstances. And Brian Sabean and the Giants' management team have done that very well, on balance.
-- MWE
This. I mean there'e a bit of description of how Goldfarb has helped the Giants, but we really don't have much of a clue if they're using his data or not. The Royals have a stats guy that they tout, but I certainly wouldn't call them a Moneyball club. It not necessarily the process, its the results that matter. Having a stats guy doesn't make you Moneyball, listening to him does.
It makes it all the more impressive that they were able to field a championship team spending so little on actual productive players. Outside of that dead weight, their richest position player was Melky at 6 million, who was equally irrelevant to the team that won the playoffs. Pagan and Panda combined for about 8 million. Belt, Crawford, Posey, and Blanco were under a million. Then they probably paid about 5-6 million for their portions of Scutaro and Pence.
At the time he was Armando Rios, with a career statline of .279/.360/.500 in 292 games for the Giants.
But about three hours into his Pirates career, he suffered a catastrophic knee injury and from then on was The Artist Formerly Known As Armando Rios.
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