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Wednesday, June 04, 2014

In Defense of Jeffrey Loria and the Marlins

I suspect that I stand so brazenly alone in holding this opinion that I fear it places me in the same lunatic fringe as a conspiracy theorist. Nonetheless:

I believe the Miami Marlins have been executing a good team-building strategy.

thetailor Posted: June 04, 2014 at 02:09 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dag Nabbit is a cornucopia of errors Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4718967)
I'd sooner defend Steve Garvey than defend this assclown.
   2. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4718977)
Maybe Loria is pursuing the Quimby strategy of hording all the team's free money to move to another town and buy a better ballclub. At which point he will, uh, send for people in Miami?
   3. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4718989)
I agree with the premise - I think the Marlins' unusual method, complete teardowns and build-ups, with some expenditures when there's a perception the team can compete, executed through two ownership groups, is more sound than what we see from other teams.

The downside of this strategy, and other elements of the Marlins way, is the ownership groups have been terrible at building an overall organization.

   4. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4719011)
I agree with the premise - I think the Marlins' unusual method, complete teardowns and build-ups, with some expenditures when there's a perception the team can compete, executed through two ownership groups, is more sound than what we see from other teams.


Of course the other teams have to subsidize the Marlins' unusual method. Much easier to alienate your fanbase on the downswings when you aren't beholden to their revenue.
   5. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4719027)
I agree with the premise - I think the Marlins' unusual method, complete teardowns and build-ups, with some expenditures when there's a perception the team can compete, executed through two ownership groups, is more sound than what we see from other teams.

I think this gets exaggerated because the Marlins actually won the World Series twice. What if they had lost one WS and lost once in the DS? While you can't wave away the titles, there's really no difference between the Marlins and the Cubs, except the Marlins went further in the playoffs when they made it.

Now, I know the goal is to win the WS, but we all know how unlikely that is, even if you make the playoffs. Unless you think there was something special about those teams, or the way they were built, I just don't see this as being a sound strategy.
   6. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4719038)
If it were a fantasy team, one might think it's a good strategy. But it's not -- it's a real world team with real world consequences.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4719042)
I think this gets exaggerated because the Marlins actually won the World Series twice. What if they had lost one WS and lost once in the DS? While you can't wave away the titles, there's really no difference between the Marlins and the Cubs, except the Marlins went further in the playoffs when they made it.


The Cubs would still have spent a shitload more money to get on equal footing with the Marlins. That's a pretty healthy difference.

I don't think they've executed it to perfection, by any means. Just that, in a vacuum, it's probably a pretty sensible way to put together good teams on a smaller budget.


If it were a fantasy team, one might think it's a good strategy. But it's not -- it's a real world team with real world consequences.


No argument.
   8. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4719048)
I agree with the premise - I think the Marlins' unusual method, complete teardowns and build-ups, with some expenditures when there's a perception the team can compete, executed through two ownership groups, is more sound than what we see from other teams.


Its a fantasy keeper league strategy
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4719134)
I agree with the premise - I think the Marlins' unusual method, complete teardowns and build-ups, with some expenditures when there's a perception the team can compete, executed through two ownership groups, is more sound than what we see from other teams.


In a vacuum, I would agree, but when you are trying to build a fanbase, when you have a taxpayer funded stadium built ultimately with the "promise" to compete, when in the real world there is a certain ethic/moral issue that they fail to follow, then you have more obligations than putting together a team every half dozen years or so that might squeak into the wild card and get lucky to win the series.

edit:
I don't think they've executed it to perfection, by any means. Just that, in a vacuum, it's probably a pretty sensible way to put together good teams on a smaller budget.


I posted my comment before I read this.



   10. cardsfanboy Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4719157)
I think this gets exaggerated because the Marlins actually won the World Series twice. What if they had lost one WS and lost once in the DS? While you can't wave away the titles, there's really no difference between the Marlins and the Cubs, except the Marlins went further in the playoffs when they made it.


Absolutely agree, here is a team that has never finished above 2nd place, but has 2 world series wins in two post season appearances. These aren't even the Cubs or Brewers among the past 15 years, this is the Mets if the Mets would have won the World Series in 2000 and 2006.(actually Mets have been better in that they actually won a division and have made it to the post season 3 times since 1993)
   11. Joey B. Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4719203)
You're not alone Miles. Your opinion only seems strange to the guys who are so completely full of themselves that they think that if a team doesn't implement the strategy they think the team should be implementing, that it must mean the team is trying to lose on purpose.
   12. Cooper Nielson Posted: June 06, 2014 at 12:53 AM (#4720183)
In a vacuum, I would agree, but when you are trying to build a fanbase, when you have a taxpayer funded stadium built ultimately with the "promise" to compete, when in the real world there is a certain ethic/moral issue that they fail to follow, then you have more obligations than putting together a team every half dozen years or so that might squeak into the wild card and get lucky to win the series.

Yeah, exactly. Some fans say "It's all about the rings!" and the Marlins have, indeed, been more successful than most teams at winning championships, but I get the sense that their fanbase is not as happy as most other fanbases. And it's certainly smaller.

Winning a World Series is theoretically the best thing you can do for your fans, but I imagine that in Miami, the fans would just be thinking, "Oh no, I know what happens next." It's like being married to an abusive spouse who sometimes gives you really nice presents.
   13. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 06, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4720241)
It's like being married to an abusive spouse who sometimes gives you really nice presents.


Purchased with food stamps.

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