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Thursday, August 10, 2017

Indians acquire Jay Bruce for Minor Leaguer | MLB.com

The price for bats is pretty low this year.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 10, 2017 at 07:11 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5510358)
I looked at the Mets Reddit thread on this and the overwhelming reaction was: "This sucks, I was hoping they'd re-sign him. Maybe they still can!"

I think it was marvelously lucky that Bruce did not go all Jason Bay on us. It sucks to get almost nothing back for him, but I'm not very interested in a reunion in 2018.

So, does this put Dominic Smith in the majors?
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5510360)
yes, yes it does
   3. formerly dp Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:09 AM (#5510362)
Isn't Lagares about ready to come back from his rehab? This is a lower return than is expected, but maybe they'll do something useful with the 5m they're saving.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:34 AM (#5510378)
I get that the market was poor for hitters this year but this "prospect" wasn't even mentioned in Sickels' 2017 article about Indians prospects, which means he wasn't even a top-35 in their system.

The Mets do save some dough, and the fact that he cleared waivers tells us about what the market was like for him, but getting a guy who will lucky to be a middle reliever best case scenario is hardly worth mentioning. The Mets have moved Reed, Duda, and Bruce for very little, essentially salary dumps.

Would the Mets have been better off just keeping these guys, and offering them arbitration? I want no part of Bruce next year, despite him having about as good a year as we could have hoped for, but maybe that would have been a better plan than just dumping them?

Rumors going around that the Yankees offered a better package for Bruce.

Ideally, you think that these moves will allow the Mets to spend more money this offseason.

Can Lagares/Nimmo be trusted to fill centerfield next year? If not, how do we feel about perhaps Carlos Gomez or Lorenzo Cain?

   5. PreservedFish Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:41 AM (#5510382)
The team saved more than a few bucks. I don't know if that goes into next year's budget or if it goes into the Ponzi scheme "ooops!" fund or if it's going to buy Jeff Wilpon a bigger house, but I can see why the Mets would settle for that.
   6. formerly dp Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:51 AM (#5510386)
Rumors going around that the Yankees offered a better package for Bruce.
From memory, the Mets gave up better packages both times they traded for Kelly Johnson.
   7. formerly dp Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:55 AM (#5510393)
Can Lagares/Nimmo be trusted to fill centerfield next year? If not, how do we feel about perhaps Carlos Gomez or Lorenzo Cain?


I don't trust Lagares to stay on the field for more than a month at a time, at best. I'd give Nimmo a shot full-time. But Conforto has looked decent out there, surprisingly.
   8. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 10, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5510405)
Would the Mets have been better off just keeping these guys, and offering them arbitration?

If that system still existed, yes. In the current system, those guys all just accept the qualifying offer and the Mets are on the hook for ~$54 million next year.
   9. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 10, 2017 at 11:07 AM (#5510433)
maybe they'll do something useful with the 5m they're saving.


Yeah. Put it towards paying down the debt. Or put it in their pockets.
   10. Tim D Posted: August 10, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5510713)
The "haul" for JD Martinez looks huge in retrospect.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 10, 2017 at 11:43 PM (#5511066)
Would the Mets have been better off just keeping these guys, and offering them arbitration? I want no part of Bruce next year, despite him having about as good a year as we could have hoped for, but maybe that would have been a better plan than just dumping them?

All three are FAs. There is no "offering arbitration" to FAs anymore, there hasn't been since the 2011-12 offseason. You make them THE qualifying offer (there is just one) or you don't.** If you don't make them the QO then you get no compensation. The QO for 2018 will be about $18 M. Do you want to run the rather obvious risk that any of those guys is going to take 1/$18 especially given the fact that nobody was particularly interested in acquiring 2 months of them at a much lower price.

Moreover, in the new CBA, the team losing an FA only gets compensation if he then signs for a contract totalling more than $50 M. That means these guys would have to sign for more than Trumbo, Murphy, etc. A team would have to want them as much as the Cubs wanted Zobrist (4/$56).

Under the unlikely scenario any of those guys got $50+ M, the Mets would receive a pick at the end of the 2nd round.

So no, there was no way the Mets would have or should have kept these guys from FA. They might as well get what they can for them. If they want them for 2018 and beyond, they can sign them as FAs this offseason.

** And you can only make them the QO if they've been with your team for the entire season, not if they were a mid-season acquisition. And in the new CBA, a player can be subject to a QO only once in his career.
   12. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 10, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5511076)
I did know about the QO, and that's what I meant by arbitration. I did not know that info about the contract needing to be worth more than 50 million.

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