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Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Indians move Carlos Carrasco to bullpen

As a result they will use Zach McAllister on three days’ rest tomorrow and, in all likelihood, Trevor Bauer will be called up to fill Carrasco’s spot in the rotation.

They really could have picked a better way to celebrate the 34-month anniversary of Carrasco’s most recent win as a starting pitcher.

Cutting Aaron Harang to keep Carrasco: Brilliant.

Dan Lee is a Big Hunk of Neufchâtel Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:26 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SG Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4696859)
Carrasco's 2014 xFIP: 3.68.
Harang's 2014 xFIP: 3.75.

Go Tribe.
   2. Dan Lee is a Big Hunk of Neufchâtel Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4696874)
Harang's been extremely lucky on fly balls, admittedly.

My problem with keeping Carrasco on the roster is that, if you read between the lines when it happened, the fact that he had no options left played a role in the decision. Do you want to win, or are you so afraid to lose a 27-year-old headcase who's never gotten anybody out and doesn't have any one great pitch that you're willing to field an inferior team?
   3. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4696899)
Bauer seems to have figured something out this season. That said, I'm not sure I would have picked the angels to be his first opponent.
   4. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 29, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4696906)
My problem with keeping Carrasco on the roster is that, if you read between the lines when it happened, the fact that he had no options left played a role in the decision. Do you want to win, or are you so afraid to lose a 27-year-old headcase who's never gotten anybody out and doesn't have any one great pitch that you're willing to field an inferior team?


Pitchers get injured all the time and it's good to stockpile arms, but yeah, Carrasco's probably run out of chances. You hate to totally give up on a former Top-50 prospect, though. He was pretty decent in AAA last year.
   5. Greg K Posted: April 29, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4696909)
My problem with keeping Carrasco on the roster is that, if you read between the lines when it happened, the fact that he had no options left played a role in the decision. Do you want to win, or are you so afraid to lose a 27-year-old headcase who's never gotten anybody out and doesn't have any one great pitch that you're willing to field an inferior team?

Jays did that with Moises Sierra, instead of bringing some kind of bench player who could play passable CF. So they've ended up with a short bench because he doesn't fit any of the needs off the bench, and they've been forced to play Bautista in CF on the days Rasmus is out.

Seems very silly to me. You don't let the fear that you might lose a player of Sierra's quality influence your decisions.
   6. Rickey! isn't dirty, he just *hustles* Posted: April 29, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4696919)
Carrasco's 2014 xFIP: 3.68.
Harang's 2014 xFIP: 3.75.


xFIPlags xFIPly xFIPorever.

Harang's been extremely lucky on fly balls, admittedly.


Wherein "extremely lucky" means "playing in a flyball killing park with two of three OFs who convert fly balls to outs at pretty sick rates. Jason Heyward is really good defensively.
   7. cmd600 Posted: April 29, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4697012)
Wherein "extremely lucky" means "playing in a flyball killing park with two of three OFs who convert fly balls to outs at pretty sick rates. Jason Heyward is really good defensively.


If Heyward is able to turn a 36 year old that allowed more than 1 in 10 flyballs to leave the park for his career into a guy that allows zero homers, I would say that he must be really good defensively. Or maybe something else is happening.
   8. Kurt Posted: April 29, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4697076)
Wherein "extremely lucky" means "playing in a flyball killing park with two of three OFs who convert fly balls to outs at pretty sick rates. Jason Heyward is really good defensively.


That actually is part of a pitcher's "luck", yes.
   9. Lindor Truffles Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4697165)
My problem with keeping Carrasco on the roster is that, if you read between the lines when it happened, the fact that he had no options left played a role in the decision. Do you want to win, or are you so afraid to lose a 27-year-old headcase who's never gotten anybody out and doesn't have any one great pitch that you're willing to field an inferior team?

You can survive that if he's the mopup guy, aka Scott Atchison. Nine appearances, nine losses, six times he entered with the tribe down by 4+ runs. Problem is, Carrasco probably takes CC Lee's slot, another potential 4A guy who could be cromulent if they let him sink/fail for three months.

The bigger issue is punting with two position player spots by keeping Elliot Johnson and Giambi around. Johnson sat literally for two weeks before playing Friday, and provides no discernible value to this team. He can play RF and 3B, but so can Murphy/Raburn and Chisenhall/Aviles. I'm not advocating bringing up the kids (Ramirez/Aguilar/Perez) but Nyjer Morgan would at least be a threat on the basepaths. Johnson is the definition of milquetoast.

Tito apparently loves the intangibles Giambi brings but he clearly rushed back. I see he's in the lineup tonight at least. So I expect him to appear again this weekend. Mind boggling how Tito constructed the bench as opposed to last year.
   10. Cooper Nielson Posted: April 30, 2014 at 02:53 AM (#4697279)
probably takes CC Lee's slot

Wait, there's a pitcher named CC Lee and he's on the Indians?! Will they trade him away to the National League mid-season after he wins two Cy Youngs?
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 30, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4697312)
Nyjer Morgan would at least be a threat on the basepaths


It makes me sad that Nyjer didn't get a chance to stick around. Particularly given how well he was playing.
   12. eddieot Posted: April 30, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4697530)
Carrasco's peripherals are pretty good but he runs into trouble the 2nd and 3rd times through the order. He has nasty swing-and-miss stuff and he was very effective out of the pen last year. He has stated a number of times that he prefers a relief role. I predict he'll pitch his way into high-leverage situations before the season is over, since he won't have to bother with his sub-par secondary stuff as much.

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