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Monday, March 03, 2014

Indians should trade (Asdrubal) Cabrera to Mets

Finally, remember, the Mets wouldn’t be trading for Cabrera to have and to hold forever after—they’re just renting him for a year. But once you have him, you also have a season to make a sales pitch on why he should stick around. If you’re the Mets, wouldn’t you want to be able to exploit that window, before free agency? Because the other thing to consider is that if the Mets don’t trade for Cabrera now, they may well be in the exact same situation in nine months: Making him a multiyear pitch paying eight figures per year, but while competing against every other team on the market. Why not take your chance now, gain that brief, exclusive negotiating window in the offseason?

There are also side benefits come draft day. Let’s say getting Cabrera is already something the Mets are thinking about for next winter. By getting Cabrera now they don’t just protect their own future first-round pick that they might lose by signing him in December (if they wind up outside the 10 protected picks), they potentially gain one if they instead lose him to free agency. As one former governor of Illinois put it, that’s a frickin’ valuable thing.

Christina Kahrl suggests the Mets should trade Flores, Michael Fulmer (Sickels rated him as a C+) , and Lucas Duda for Cabrera. Cabrera wasn’t very good last year, is making 10 million dollars this year, and will be a free agent at the end of the season. Instead of investing that much in a guy who probably won’t be sticking as a SS very long, why not just give Drew 15 million for one year? He’d surely take that at this point.

Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: March 03, 2014 at 11:55 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. formerly dp Posted: March 04, 2014 at 08:43 AM (#4665900)
Urg, please no. Like Russlan says in the lead, Drew would be the better option, and all he'd cost is money. Flores may be a man without a position, but he's also got the potential to be an impact bat at 2B, and might even hit enough for 1B. They should not give that up for a rental. Duda doesn't have much value to the Mets except as a Plan B if Davis falter, but Fulmer's value could continue to recover this year, and they're better off saving him to address a more pressing need.

Edit: I have been enjoying Kahrl's writing for a long time, and this article really makes no sense to me. And I know this puts me in bad company, but the responses from ESPN readers seem to indicate I'm not in the minority.
   2. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: March 04, 2014 at 08:50 AM (#4665902)
Cabrera was -16 rfield last year. That's getting close to the territory you'd expect Flores to be in if you just stuck him at ss, and Flores stands a pretty good chance to hit better than the .242/.299/.402 put up last year.
   3. Lassus Posted: March 04, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4665907)
Thirded. Is Kahrl trolling us?
   4. JE (Jason) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4665910)
Thirded. Is Kahrl trolling us?

Cut her some slack. It's early March. What else is there to write about?
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4665920)
Cabrera was -16 rfield last year. That's getting close to the territory you'd expect Flores to be in if you just stuck him at ss

That's an over-bid. -16 is still bad MLB SS territory.

Guys who can't hack SS at all can easily give you -30, if they were allowed to play a full season.
   6. formerly dp Posted: March 04, 2014 at 10:12 AM (#4665934)
Anyone see Flores play SS yesterday? I've only seen him make a couple of plays at 2B so far, neither looked great.

I will say that if they want to try him at SS, their best bet is to just run him out there for a couple of weeks during the spring, especially with Tejada sidelined. Play Omar Quintanilla there doesn't tell you anything you don't already know. Bouncing Flores between 2B, SS, and 3B seems like a good way to make sure whatever defensive limits he has are maximized. But I could be overestimating how difficult it is to make adjustments when switching positions.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4665941)
But once you have him, you also have a season to make a sales pitch on why he should stick around


Fanboys say this all the time. How often does this actually happen - a player is acquired during his contract year and signs an extension before hitting FA?
   8. formerly dp Posted: March 04, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4665952)
Fanboys say this all the time. How often does this actually happen - a player is acquired during his contract year and signs an extension before hitting FA?
She assumes a year with the Mets makes him *more* likely to want to be part of the team.

Kahrl's also not considering that a trade to the Mets also severely increases his chances of contracting leprosy, or suffering a career-ending freak beheading.
   9. cmd600 Posted: March 04, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4666216)
As an Indians fan, I'll be right back with all the necessary paperwork. We'll even throw in 3 free oil changes.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4666222)
She assumes a year with the Mets makes him *more* likely to want to be part of the team.


I know. Does it ever happen that the year with the team makes the guy want to sign an extension before he hits FA?
   11. JJ1986 Posted: March 04, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4666226)
I can't think of many. Adrian Gonzalez signed a huge extension in his walk year after being traded. Hunter Pence was with San Fran for a year and a third and signed an extension.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4666232)
I can't think of many. Adrian Gonzalez signed a huge extension in his walk year after being traded. Hunter Pence was with San Fran for a year and a third and signed an extension.


Also Mark McGwire with the Cards, though that's going back a ways.
   13. cmd600 Posted: March 04, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4666254)
Does it ever happen that the year with the team makes the guy want to sign an extension before he hits FA


I really doubt that playing there for a year makes a guy want to sign an extension, but we do see those guys sign a longer term deal fairly often anyway. My guess is there are some under the table negotiations on what an extension would look like before the trade is agreed to.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4666272)
Fanboys say this all the time. How often does this actually happen - a player is acquired during his contract year and signs an extension before hitting FA?

It happened with Cliff Lee, even after the Phils traded him he really wanted to come back.

And it happens with everybody who joins the Cardinals, of course.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4666284)
Does it ever happen that the year with the team makes the guy want to sign an extension before he hits FA


Roy Halladay is another one. I feel like this happens frequently.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4666289)
The one common thread I'm noticing with these examples is the guy was traded to a successful contending team. Not the case in a Cabrera-to-the-Mets scenario.
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4666298)
Jake Peavy refused a trade to the White Sox and then, three years after he accepted a trade, signed an extension. Then they traded him.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4666305)
It happens a lot, it's often a condition of the trade. Johan Santana was this kind of deal. Tim Hudson (A's to Braves). Miguel Cabrera. Maybe Jake Peavy. Maybe Haren. Maybe Matt Holliday but I have a vague memory he did declare FA before the Cards re-signed him.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4666313)
Cabrera is likely being under-valued here. He's been a 3-WAR player -- an inconsistent one but still. He was terrible defensively last year but he's been about average to this point so that might just be a fluke or the result of nagging injuries that have cleared up. His 242/299/402 line might not look like much but it was 2.7 oWAR so nothing to sneeze at. And he's entering his age 28 season, not likely to be cliff-diving.

The Indians did make the WC last year y'know. They aren't looking to trade their (likely) above-average starting SS for a prospect without a position. Drew is still the unknown but, if the Indians are out of it, there's a good chance the Yanks or Red Sox or A's or somebody will come calling at the deadline.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4666319)
The last thing the Indians need is more middle infielders. Between Francisco Lindor, Dorssys Paulino, Ronnie Rodriguez, and Jose Ramirez, with Kipnis apparently open to a long-term deal, I don't know where Flores really fits for the Indians future.

EDIT: Is Flores a 3B now? I guess that's the only way this makes sense, assuming the Santana move to 3B isn't for real.

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