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Wednesday, January 02, 2013

Indians To Sign Brett Myers

He better not Sockalexis.

The Indians are set to sign Brett Myers to a one-year deal with a club option, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter)...

Myers, 32, pitched to a 3.31 ERA with 5.6 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 in 70 relief appearances last season for the Astros and White Sox.  However, he has been vocal about his desire to be a starting pitcher once again in 2013.  The Tribe will plug Myers into the starting five, according to Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer (on Twitter).

Myers’ deal is worth $7MM, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter).

The District Attorney Posted: January 02, 2013 at 11:39 AM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. OCD SS Posted: January 02, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4336962)
KAPOW!
   2. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4337015)
Are the Indians following the 2011 Cubs recipe? 1. Trade everyone you can, 2. Sign overpaid veteran mediocrities, ... 4. Profit?
   3. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4337035)
I wanted the Twins to make this deal. Damn.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4337037)
I wanted the Twins to make this deal. Damn.

You should never want your team to sign Brett Myers. That's bad juju.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4337043)
Are the Indians following the 2011 Cubs recipe? 1. Trade everyone you can, 2. Sign overpaid veteran mediocrities, ... 4. Profit?

The Indians have been trading major leaguers for major leaguers in their trades so far.

Out: Shin-Soo Choo
In: Nick Swisher (free agent)

Out: Any hope of Grady Sizemore
In: Drew Stubbs

Out: Tony Sipp, Esmil Rogers, Rafael Perez
In: Does it matter?

Out: Jason Donald
In: Mike Aviles

Out: Jack Hannahan (free agent)
In: Lonnie Chisenhall, hopefully, again

Out: Casey Kotchman (free agent)
In: Mark Reynolds (free agent)

Out: I don't think they lost any pitchers from last year's awful rotation, except Fausberto Carmondez, and of course Derek Lowe
In: Brett Myers (free agent), Trevor Bauer
   6. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4337045)
Brett Myers at 1/$7M or Kevin Correia at 2/$11M
   7. cmd600 Posted: January 02, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4337046)
Are the Indians following the 2011 Cubs recipe? 1. Trade everyone you can, 2. Sign overpaid veteran mediocrities, ... 4. Profit?


Well, they've only traded Choo (they also traded two whatever middle relievers and utility guy, but got exactly those spots back in their deals), who was never going to re-sign there. They got six years of a talented young pitcher (something they desperately needed). Otherwise they're just plugging in a couple holes where they got negative WAR last year. I'm not sure they think they're gaming the system or anything by avoiding sub-replacement play at 1B and in the rotation.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4337062)
Brett Myers at 1/$7M or Kevin Correia at 2/$11M


I'll take "neither" for $200, Alex.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4337065)
I'd take Myers at $7 mill over Ervin Santana for $12 mill or Jeremy Guthrie at 3/$25 mill
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4337072)
I'd take Myers at $7 mill over Ervin Santana for $12 mill or Jeremy Guthrie at 3/$25 mill

Also better than the Liriano deal.
   11. Benji Posted: January 02, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4337075)
Still laughing at the Sockalexis line.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 04:02 PM (#4337101)
Also better than the Liriano deal.


A quick refresher:

Myers' wife told police she believed her husband hit her twice in the face with a closed fist. Witnesses told police Myers dragged his wife by the hair and slapped her across the face. Procopio said it is unclear if Myers punched his wife or slapped her, but he did strike her in the face.

Courtney Knight, 26, who witnessed the alleged attack, said in an interview today that Myers was out of control.

"It was disgusting," Knight said. "He was dragging her by the hair and slapping her across the face. She was yelling, 'I'm not going to let you do this to me anymore.' "

Knight said the 6-foot-4 ballplayer dwarfs his wife, who the police report said was 5 foot 4 and 120 pounds.

"She's a real small girl," Knight said. "It was awful."

Myers allegedly told Knight and her friends to leave and resisted when they tried to pull him off of his wife, prompting Knight to call police.

She said Myers was undeterred by the presence of her and her two friends.

"He had her on the ground. He was trying to get her to go, and she was resisting," Knight said. "She curled up and sat on the ground. He was pulling her, her shirt up was around her neck....He could have cared less that we were there." -The Boston Globe, June 23, 2006


I wouldn't want him pitching for my team if he were willing to do it for free. I don't care if Liriano literally gets his clothes knocked off his body by line drives every time he pitches like Charlie Brown. He's still an infinitely better addition than a piece of human garbage like Myers.
   13. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4337142)
That was six years ago. Granted, it's bad, but how long do we hold a grudge against people? The charges were dropped. I haven't heard anything of note about Myers in the meantime and I think he's still married to the woman.

I'm not downplaying domestic assault but I don't think you can make a person unemployable because of one incident. Liriano endangered people's lives with a DUI but apparently you think that's fabulous.
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4337155)
Granted, it's bad, but how long do we hold a grudge against people?


I might be willing to stop shunning him after he dies.

The charges were dropped.


That means virtually nothing in domestic violence cases. There isn't any real ambiguity about what happened here - he smacked her around in the middle of a public street, the incident included an extensive selection of violent actions, and there were several credible independent witnesses who all told pretty much the same story.

I'm not downplaying domestic assault...


Yes, you are. That's exactly what you're doing.

Liriano endangered people's lives with a DUI but apparently you think that's fabulous.


No, I think that's repulsive. Just less so than deliberately beating a defenseless woman.
   15. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4337177)
I guess "lock them up forever" is your solution to domestic assault then since you don't think people who commit it should ever work anywhere ever again.

Domestic assault sentencing guidelines for a first offense are typically 0-180 days in jail, up to 3 years probation, a small fine and counseling. We're well beyond any of those timelines.

Paraphrasing your quote:

"[Liriano the drunk driver is] still an infinitely better addition than a piece of human garbage like Myers."
   16. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4337182)
Another question - do you support banning Delmon Young from baseball as well?
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:08 PM (#4337189)
To be fair, Vlad is pretty consistent about butting in to every thread about anyone who has ever been accused of assaulting a woman and trying to derail it into being a thread about how bad it is to assault women. Vlad aside, for some reason Brett Myers is still the one player everyone thinks of on this issue, despite the incident being over 6 years ago. It must be the fact that that one witness's account is so striking.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4337190)
I guess "lock them up forever" is your solution to domestic assault then since you don't think people who commit it should ever work anywhere ever again.'


He didn't say that these guys should be banned from baseball. He said he wouldn't want them pitching for his team.

   19. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:15 PM (#4337198)
I guess "lock them up forever" is your solution to domestic assault then since you don't think people who commit it should ever work anywhere ever again.


I think they should be able to work - just not collect lucrative paychecks in prestigious, high-profile occupations. If someone wants to pay him to do the sort of jobs that violent ex-cons get (janitorial work, day labor, fast food, etc.) that'd be fine, I guess. But earning a living in MLB is a privilege, not a right.

Domestic assault sentencing guidelines for a first offense are typically 0-180 days in jail, up to 3 years probation, a small fine and counseling.


I agree that the sentencing guidelines for that crime are in general much too lenient. What's your point?

"[Liriano the drunk driver is] still an infinitely better addition than a piece of human garbage like Myers."


Yes, that's true. Both are bad, one is worse. If you had to take one or the other, you'd take Liriano. In an ideal world, you'd take neither.

Another question - do you support banning Delmon Young from baseball as well?


That's kind of a moot point, since I don't think that MLB has the power to formally ban him even if it wanted to, but if I ran a team, I certainly wouldn't sign him. I don't like men who beat women. I like to think that most people have the good sense to agree with that, though I guess there are occasional exceptions.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4337206)
I think they should be able to work - just not collect lucrative paychecks in prestigious, high-profile occupations. If someone wants to pay him to do the sort of jobs that violent ex-cons get (janitorial work, day labor, fast food, etc.) that'd be fine, I guess. But earning a living in MLB is a privilege, not a right.

Except he's not an ex-con. He wasn't convicted of anything.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4337207)
Vlad aside, for some reason Brett Myers is the one player everyone thinks of on this issue, despite the incident being over 6 years ago. It must be the fact that that one witness's account is so striking.


That, and that Myers is such an otherwise unremarkable player that its the only thing we remember him for. Miguel Cabrera has a domestic abuse case in his file too, but we remember him for being a loveable drunk who wins Triple Crowns.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4337212)
To be fair, Vlad is pretty consistent about butting in to every thread about anyone who has ever been accused of assaulting a woman and trying to derail it into being a thread about how bad it is to assault women.


All I said was that I didn't think it's a good signing because Myers is a demonstrably terrible human being, and his presence on Cleveland's roster tarnishes their reputation. It's a relevant issue and a matter of considerable public interest - for example, Paul Hoynes's Plain Dealer article on the signing mentions Myers's domestic violence arrest before his career numbers or his 2011 salary.

I don't really care whether or not there's a discussion about "how bad it is to assault women" - I think most people understand that doing that is repugnant, and that the people who do that kind of thing are the lowest of the low, right beside pimps and pederasts and guys who sell fake cancer cures to the desperately ill.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4337213)

That, and that Myers is such an otherwise unremarkable player that its the only thing we remember him for. Miguel Cabrera has a domestic abuse case in his file too, but we remember him for being a loveable drunk who wins Triple Crowns.


The domestic violence thing is weird. For some guys (Meyers, Lugo, Cordero) it sticks forever. Others (Milton B., Bobby Cox, Derek Lowe) aren't so blessed. There doesn't seem to be a standard explanation why.

   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4337223)
Except he's not an ex-con. He wasn't convicted of anything.


The beating of his wife is the thing that makes him repulsive, not his presence or absence in a jail cell. OJ Simpson is repulsive, too, even though he was acquitted of murdering his ex-wife.

I am willing to extend the benefit of the doubt on these sorts of things (to one extent or another) when circumstances warrant it. But this is pretty clear-cut, given the public setting and the number of witnesses.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4337229)
I don't really care whether or not there's a discussion about "how bad it is to assault women" - I think most people understand that doing that is repugnant, and that the people who do that kind of thing are the lowest of the low, right beside pimps and pederasts and guys who sell fake cancer cures to the desperately ill.

If Myers were a repeat abuser, you would be correct to describe him as repugnant. But based on one incident, for which no charges were filed, and which his wife apparently forgave him, I think that's a big overstretch.

The fact that he lost it once (to our knowledge) and did a very bad thing, doesn't mean he's irredeemable scum for the rest of his life. Certainly not in the realm of pimps and pederasts.
   26. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4337230)
Should wife-beaters make/stay in the Hall?

For some guys (Meyers, Lugo, Cordero) it sticks forever. Others (Milton B., Bobby Cox, Derek Lowe) aren't so blessed. There doesn't seem to be a standard explanation why.


I wonder if the remembered ones happened on slower news days (with thus more attention paid to them).

Or maybe the media had less interest in reporting on the problem with some players than with others (e.g. Boy Scouts).
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:38 PM (#4337233)
But based on one incident, for which no charges were filed, and which his wife apparently forgave him, I think that's a big overstretch.


If you want to forgive him, feel free. I don't. Maybe you can invite him over to have a beer, try and fix him up with your daughter.

The fact that he lost it once (to our knowledge) and did a very bad thing, doesn't mean he's irredeemable scum for the rest of his life. Certainly not in the realm of pimps and pederasts.


What about pimps who only coerced one woman into having sex for money, or pederasts who only molested one child?
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4337234)
The domestic violence thing is weird. For some guys (Meyers, Lugo, Cordero) it sticks forever. Others (Milton B., Bobby Cox, Derek Lowe) aren't so blessed. There doesn't seem to be a standard explanation why.


It must have been tough for Milton Berle to do anything, domestically, that didn't cause pain.
   29. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4337235)
Both are bad, one is worse.


Except that's not what you said. You said drunk driving is "infinitely better" than assault. I would interpret that to mean that you think drunk driving is just dandy. Go ahead and change your tune but at least be consistent with your outrage. The Braves should have fired Bobby Cox, the Tigers should have cut Miguel Cabrera, etc.

this is pretty clear-cut, given the public setting and the number of witnesses


So it's okay if you do it in the privacy of your own home?
   30. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4337239)
this is pretty clear-cut, given the public setting and the number of witnesses




So it's okay if you do it in the privacy of your own home?


It's pretty obvious that he meant Myers' guilt is clear-cut compared to cases that happen in private and are simply he-said-she-said.
   31. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4337240)
I see a huge difference between domestic assault and sexual assault. Society does also - one is a misdemeanor and the other is a felony. Apparently you think they're the same level of bad but drunk driving is hunky dory. I'm glad the law disagrees with you.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:50 PM (#4337246)
What about pimps who only coerced one woman into having sex for money, or pederasts who only molested one child?

Still far, far worse than a simple assault that seems to have caused no serious injury.

Are you serious? Would you rather be punched in the face or raped?
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4337249)
Except that's not what you said. You said drunk driving is "infinitely better" than assault.


Sure, in the sense that a punch to the stomach is "infinitely better" than a kick to the groin. A is better than B, ergo B is worse than A.

I would interpret that to mean that you think drunk driving is just dandy.


It's not my fault that you suck at reading comprehension.

The Braves should have fired Bobby Cox, the Tigers should have cut Miguel Cabrera, etc.


Why do you think that's some kind of "gotcha"? The Braves should have fired Cox. Cabrera is tougher, since he was already under contract at the time he hit his wife. I think the best course there would have been to try and trade him, and if that failed, to let him walk as a free agent when his deal was up.

So it's okay if you do it in the privacy of your own home?


It's not OK to do it anywhere, but if you do it in the privacy of your own home, there's going to be less evidence that you did it, and it's going to be harder for a third party like me to determine what actually happened. Try to keep up.

[Edited because I had the timeline of Cabrera's trade and assault wrong.]
   34. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:54 PM (#4337253)
Sure, in the sense that a punch to the stomach is "infinitely better" than a kick to the groin.


A punch to the stomach is not infinitely better than a kick to the groin, falling in love at the beach with a baseball game on the radio is infinitely better than a kick to the groin.
   35. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4337257)
Still far, far worse than a simple assault that seems to have caused no serious injury.


I'm sure that's exactly how most women would see it. Why don't you try asking one how she'd feel if her significant other hit her in the face, pulled her to her feet by the hair, and exposed her breasts in public?

Are you serious? Would you rather be punched in the face or raped?


Civilized people deserving of respect wouldn't do either of those things to a woman. Which is exactly the point.
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4337259)
A punch to the stomach is not infinitely better than a kick to the groin, falling in love at the beach with a baseball game on the radio is infinitely better than a kick to the groin.


Falling in love at the beach with a baseball game on the radio is infinitely better than both. That's just how infinity works.
   37. JJ1986 Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4337260)
I thought Cabrera's wife beat him.
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4337262)
I'm sure that's exactly how most women would see it. Why don't you try asking one how she'd feel if her significant other hit her in the face, pulled her to her feet by the hair, and exposed her breasts in public?

I'm sure she'd feel a lot better than if he pimped her out or raped her.

Civilized people deserving of respect wouldn't do either of those things to a woman. Which is exactly the point.

Yet one is 1000 times worse.

Civilized people don't spit of the floor either. Doesn't mean it compares to either an assault or a rape.
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:02 PM (#4337265)
I'm sure she'd feel a lot better than if he pimped her out or raped her.


Again, so what? Murdering one woman isn't as bad as murdering 30+, but I wouldn't invite a guy who murdered a woman over to my place for beer and barbecue even if he correctly pointed out that his crimes weren't as bad as Ted Bundy's. They're both ########, and I don't want anything to do with either of them.
   40. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4337267)
And murdering one woman isn't as bad as murdering 30+, but I wouldn't invite a guy who murdered a woman over to my place for beer and barbecue even if he correctly pointed out that his crimes weren't as bad as Ted Bundy's.

Look, by general societal standards, we don't ostracize people who commit simple assault. Normal, decent people occasionally lose it and commit simple assault. It's not in the same league as rape, murder, etc.

Do you really want to guess how many professional athletes have committed a simple assault on a weaker person (or in a group attacking a single person)?
   41. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4337269)
That's not how infinity works. Infinity implies there is no activity that could be better or worse than either one of those. If there is an activity that is better then you've established a finite range.

I think it's sexist to see punching a woman as worse than punching a man given the same circumstances.
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4337274)
I think it's sexist to see punching a woman as worse than punching a man given the same circumstances.

Well, you at least have to adjust for strength. Punching a woman is generally more cowardly b/c the man knows he is much stronger and won't get hurt.

Punching a 5'4" 120 lb. woman is like punching an old, feeble man.
   43. zonk Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4337275)
FWIW -

Myers has also had a couple of hothead moments... I have recollection of him getting into physical altercation with a reporter near the end of his Philly tenure and having to be restrained by teammates.

If I were a GM, I'd probably a '######### file' -- any negotiations with to acquire or sign people from that file would require a sit-down conversation where said dbag would have to explain and show sincerity for having reformed his ways... I have no doubt plenty of players - good ones, especially - would tell me to #### off and ply their trade elsewhere.

Actually - now that I think about it, I'd probably need to be the team owner rather than GM to maintain and act upon by dbag file.
   44. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4337276)
Look, by general societal standards, we don't ostracize people who commit simple assault.


Maybe you don't. Like I said, you're free to associate with whatever ######## you want.

Normal, decent people occasionally lose it and commit simple assault.


Please provide me with an example of a "normal, decent person" who beat his wife.
   45. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:11 PM (#4337278)
you at least have to adjust for strength


Yeah, given the same circumstances
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4337280)
That's not how infinity works. Infinity implies there is no activity that could be better or worse than either one of those.


In addition to sucking at reading comprehension, you also apparently suck at math. This may be helpful.

I think it's sexist to see punching a woman as worse than punching a man given the same circumstances.


If Myers punched his much-smaller-and-weaker boyfriend, that'd be an ####### move, too.
   47. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4337281)
Please provide me with an example of a "normal, decent person" who beat his wife.

"Beat his wife" typically characterizes a pattern of abuse. What we seem to have here is a single incident (that we know of). Myer's wife has stayed with him, and she's not trapped; she'd get a hefty divorce settlement in any state, even with pure no fault. I would assume most cases of an isolated incidence of violence don't make the papers.

To personalize it, I could see forgiving my wife for hitting me in the head with a baseball bat (adding the weapon to generate equivalent menace) causing no serious injury.
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:20 PM (#4337282)
"Beat his wife" typically characterizes a pattern of abuse.


No, "beat his wife" means that he beat his wife. As in, delivered a beating to a woman to whom he was married.

I take your post #47 to be an admission that you can't come up with an example of a "normal, decent person" who beat his wife.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4337283)
I take your post #47 to be an admission that you can't come up with an example of a "normal, decent person" who beat his wife.

Do you have a file on the illicit activities of normal decent people that I can cross-reference?

Everyone seemed to love Bobby Cox for the last 10 years.
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:23 PM (#4337284)
Do you have a file on the illicit activities of normal decent people that I can cross-reference?


Afraid not, sorry.
   51. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4337286)
you also apparently suck at math


Just because there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 does not make 2 infinitely bigger than 1.

janitorial work, day labor, fast food


I think it's offensive to janitors, day laborers and food service employees that you think their job somehow makes them lesser than someone who plays baseball for a living.
   52. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:25 PM (#4337288)
Everyone seemed to love Bobby Cox for the last 10 years.


Bobby Cox isn't a normal, decent person. Bobby Cox is an #######.

It was May 7, 1995. [Cox] had been drinking, and he spilled a drink on the carpet. [Pam] made a comment he didn't appreciate. The police report said she told an officer that her husband grabbed her by the hair and hit her in the face.

"I asked Pamela Cox if this kind of incident had ever occurred before," officer Sonya Lee wrote. "Pamela Cox told me that this was the first time police had been called but that there had been 5--6 previous incidents involving physical abuse in their 18-year marriage. When asked, Pamela Cox stated that she has sustained blackened eyes and a broken hand, injuries inflicted by her husband." -Thomas Lake, Sports Illustrated
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4337293)
Bobby Cox isn't a normal, decent person. Bobby Cox is an #######.

But no one treated him that way for the last decade of his tenure.

Your logic is circular. By definition the one incident brands a person an a perpetual reporbate.

I, on the other hand, can see forgiving a person for an isolated incident of anger. I certain don't see one simple assault as any morally worse than serial adultery (which probably defines 50% of pro athletes).
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4337294)
I am against the Indians signing Tawny Kitaen FWIW.
   55. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4337295)
Bobby Cox is an #######.


I agree with you there. I just think an ####### should take his punishment and then get back to life as usual. I also think banishment from society is an entirely unreasonable punishment for assault.
   56. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4337312)
Just because there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 does not make 2 infinitely bigger than 1.


Where did I say that drunk driving was 2 and wife-beating was 1?

I think it's offensive to janitors, day laborers and food service employees that you think their job somehow makes them lesser than someone who plays baseball for a living.


Where did I say that the people who do those jobs are "lesser"?

In my lifetime, I've done both janitorial and food service work. They're perfectly legitimate and honorable occupations, but they're also unpleasant tasks that don't pay very well. For those reasons, the people who fill those jobs tend to be people who (for whatever reason) don't have any better options at that time. If they could get a less unpleasant job or one that paid more money, such as playing major league baseball, they'd do that. And as time passes, most of the ones who can move on to better jobs, do.

Since most employers are understandably reluctant to hire ex-cons with a history of violence, they tend to fall down to unpleasant, low-paying jobs. Some of my former co-workers were ex-cons living in a halfway house. One got arrested in the middle of his shift, and dragged out of the kitchen in handcuffs. So it goes.
   57. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4337318)
But no one treated him that way for the last decade of his tenure.


I can't control what other people do. If I could, I would've kept Myers and Cox from beating their wives in the first place.

If Cox wasn't treated that way, then he should have been, and it's a shame that he wasn't.
   58. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4337319)
Where did I say that drunk driving was 2 and wife-beating was 1?

Again, it's not my fault that you suck at math.


...says the guy who says that any difference is infinite difference
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:52 PM (#4337325)
...says the guy who says that any difference is infinite difference


Where did I say that?

I really wish people would stop putting words in my mouth.
   60. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:54 PM (#4337327)
Fine. Replace it with: ...says the guy who says a punch to the stomach is "infinitely better" than a kick to the groin.
   61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 06:57 PM (#4337329)
Fine. Replace it with: ...says the guy who says a punch to the stomach is "infinitely better" than a kick to the groin.


Sure, OK. I said that, and I stand by it.
   62. Nasty Nate Posted: January 02, 2013 at 07:00 PM (#4337334)
Sure, OK. I said that, and I stand by it.


What if old man Bobby Cox kicked Brett Myers in the groin in the backseat of an Infiniti?
   63. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4337339)
I think they should be able to work - just not collect lucrative paychecks in prestigious, high-profile occupations. If someone wants to pay him to do the sort of jobs that violent ex-cons get (janitorial work, day labor, fast food, etc.) that'd be fine, I guess. But earning a living in MLB is a privilege, not a right.


You state in that paragraph that major league baseball is prestigious and being a janitor isn't. I'd say playing for the Indians doesn't really qualify as a high prestige job so I guess you're just mad about the paycheck.
   64. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: January 02, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4337342)
But earning a living in MLB is a privilege, not a right.

It's really neither. It's up to team management to decide who earns a living playing ball. Someone signed Myers.

I don't like what he did to his wife, either.

   65. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 02, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4337352)
I'd say playing for the Indians doesn't really qualify as a high prestige job...


Facepalm.
   66. Tricky Dick Posted: January 02, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4337354)
Back to the baseball side...
I question whether it's a good idea to convert Myers back to a starter. In 2011, Myers' velocity as a starter dropped to the 86-88 range, and his performance was considerably worse than 2010. After Myers was converted to closer by the Astros, his fastball velocity returned to the 90 - 94 range. Besides the trade value reason, I think that the velocity issue entered into Luhnow's decision to move Myers to the bullpen where he could throw harder. Myers has a very good curve ball---probably one of the best in the majors. He brings some pitching ability to the table.
   67. zonk Posted: January 02, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4337361)


What if old man Bobby Cox kicked Brett Myers in the groin in the backseat of an Infiniti?


Hmmm.... carry the one...

The answer I come up with is 'Tawny Kitaen'.
   68. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: January 02, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4337363)
"Beat his wife" typically characterizes a pattern of abuse. What we seem to have here is a single incident (that we know of).
She was yelling, 'I'm not going to let you do this to me anymore.'
   69. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 02, 2013 at 08:27 PM (#4337366)
I'd say playing for the Indians doesn't really qualify as a high prestige job

Infinitely more prestigious than playing for the Astros.
   70. cmd600 Posted: January 02, 2013 at 08:30 PM (#4337370)
66 - Agree. Even though Myers' 85 ERA+ from 2011 would have been good for 2nd best in the Indians' rotation last year, I'm not sure what they're hoping for other than lightning in a bottle. He seems like a fine pen option that you can swing into the rotation when necessary, but I'd much rather give a rotation spot to a young guy.
   71. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 02, 2013 at 09:23 PM (#4337386)
Wow... that part of this read like a textbook from a community college Communications course.......like some poor writer was forced to partake in the losing side of the argument and devolve into weird, off-base points about "high prestige" jobs....like a "How-Not-To" Lesson in Argumentation.....

As for the baseball side: I think it's too much for a swingman. I'd honestly rather Correia, IF (BIG IF) I were forced at gunpoint to choose.
   72. Spahn Insane Posted: January 02, 2013 at 09:51 PM (#4337417)
He better not Sockalexis.

Man, Repoz himself never came up with anything better.
   73. vivaelpujols Posted: January 03, 2013 at 01:58 AM (#4337723)
No, I think that's repulsive. Just less so than deliberately beating a defenseless woman.


For real? Driving drunk can actually kill people. Beating a woman can hurt her, but you'd have to be out of your ####### mind to beat someone to death in public. It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. Would you feel this way if were a similar mismatch man on man (say Aaron Harang vs. Daniel Ray Herrera)?

Edit: like everything else in life it's in gradations. If you're ripped out of your mind and driving at 12 at night that's insanely reckless. If you're driving home at 6 in the morning and you've stopped drinking 4 hours ago that's fine by me.

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