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Indians Usher Says He Was Fired for Refusing to Wear Pro-Sin Tax Sticker

Edward Loomis, a former usher for the Cleveland Indians, says that the team’s campaign to get voters on its side also includes mandatory pro-Issue 7 stickers that must be worn by employees and that his refusal to wear the pro-sin tax gear led to his dismissal from his job.

Stevey Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:32 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4693462)
You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
   2. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4693465)
Unskilled laborer refuses to do what they're told to do. Gets fired. Film at 11.

Corporate schmoes give inconsistent PR bullshit. Film at 11.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4693474)
At first I didn't understand the headline. I wanted to know - "What does "pro-sin" mean in this context?" and "What is a tax sticker?"

I guess I am pro syntax.
   4. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4693478)
The flair scenes in Office Space are a treasure for the ages.
   5. The District Attorney Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4693481)
Well, look, regardless of whether it's legal, it's just wrong to take an employee who wasn't hired on the understanding that he'd be asked to publicly advocate political positions, and tell that person that that's what he has to do now to keep his job.

What I'm saying is, this is a sin tax error.
   6. tonywf Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4693485)
Since the taxpayers built the Jake/Progressive Field (and is owned by the county, if I recall), and this is occurring inside the grounds of a state-built entity, would/could this not be a potential First Amendment issue?
   7. Tin Angel Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4693487)
That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!
   8. void*** (SC) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4693504)
I like the idea of a tax to promote sin, Cleveland needs more sin badly.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4693525)
I wonder what his stance is on the Negro.
   10. I am the Can Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4693532)

I guess I am pro syntax.


Dammit. The one English-teacher-oriented headline to land in some time, and you beat me to it...
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4693549)
Since the taxpayers built the Jake/Progressive Field (and is owned by the county, if I recall), and this is occurring inside the grounds of a state-built entity, would/could this not be a potential First Amendment issue?

IANAL, but I wouldn't think so. There are lots of private employees working inside of structures built by government entities. I wouldn't imagine that a worker at a McDonald's in the state-built airport would have any recourse to a First Amendment defense in a case like this, for example.
   12. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4693560)
Well, look, regardless of whether it's legal, it's just wrong to take an employee who wasn't hired on the understanding that he'd be asked to publicly advocate political positions, and tell that person that that's what he has to do now to keep his job.


If he's an at-will employee, he can be fired at will.
   13. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4693562)

I guess I am pro syntax.


Dammit. The one English-teacher-oriented headline to land in some time, and you beat me to it...


A brilliant joke, too, to point out the sin-tax sentence's syntax.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4693567)
If he's an at-will employee, he can be fired at will.


The post you quoted was not talking about right/wrong in terms of being legal; that's why they wrote "regardless of whether it's legal."
   15. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4693581)
I still have no idea what "Issue 7" is all about. Seems funny that the article didn't bother to explain it, though I guess if you don't live in Cleveland it doesn't matter.
   16. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4693583)
The flair scenes in Office Space are a treasure for the ages.


Look, we want you to express yourself, okay? Now if you feel that the bare minimum is enough, then okay. But some people choose to wear more and we encourage that, okay? You do want to express yourself, don't you?


Obviously how many buttons you're wearing is trivial and no one really cares about getting ahead as a waitperson at a chain restaurant (it's just a job not a career etc), and Aniston's character certainly got the hints- she just didn't care (it was her boss who was clueless, not realizing that she got what he was trying to say, she just wasn't gonna comply unless it was a direct order, and maybe not even then) but you'd be surprised how many young professionals in career track jobs simply do not get the hints that they need to try harder or do something differently, no sure if they are dense or ambivalent regarding the career track they have found themselves in.
   17. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4693584)
The post you quoted was not talking about right/wrong in terms of being legalthat's why they wrote "regardless of whether it's legal.


I was responding to this part of the sentence, which was about expectations: "who wasn't hired on the understanding that he'd be asked to publicly advocate political positions,"

In the context of at-will employment, he didn't have any reasonable expectation of keeping his job after refusing his marching orders.
   18. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:17 PM (#4693587)
I still have no idea what "Issue 7" is all about.


From Newsweek:

Every sporting event comes to an end, even if it requires extra innings or overtime. But the billionaire owners of pro sports teams now want the welfare they collect from taxpayers to go on forever.

A key test of this new page in their playbook comes in a May 6 vote in Cleveland, which the Census Bureau lists as the second-poorest large city in America. A ballot measure there and in surrounding Cuyahoga County would extend taxes first imposed in 1990 until 2035 to benefit the city’s three pro teams: the Browns (football), Cavaliers (basketball) and Indians (baseball). The taxes are small levies on alcoholic drinks and tobacco—everyone in the area who drinks beer, wine or hard liquor or uses tobacco pays, even if you never attend a game.

   19. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4693588)
Every sporting event comes to an end, even if it requires extra innings or overtime. But the billionaire owners of pro sports teams now want the welfare they collect from taxpayers to go on forever.

A key test of this new page in their playbook comes in a May 6 vote in Cleveland, which the Census Bureau lists as the second-poorest large city in America. A ballot measure there and in surrounding Cuyahoga County would extend taxes first imposed in 1990 until 2035 to benefit the city’s three pro teams: the Browns (football), Cavaliers (basketball) and Indians (baseball). The taxes are small levies on alcoholic drinks and tobacco—everyone in the area who drinks beer, wine or hard liquor or uses tobacco pays, even if you never attend a game.


In that case, I'm with DA. SUE THE TRIBE!
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4693604)
Thanks, Coot, and yeah, what a crock to use a sin tax to further benefit the teams that also profit from selling the sin itself. Nice work if you can get it.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4693611)
I was responding to this part of the sentence, which was about expectations: "who wasn't hired on the understanding that he'd be asked to publicly advocate political positions,"

In the context of at-will employment, he didn't have any reasonable expectation of keeping his job after refusing his marching orders.


His legal expectation about what happens if he refuses an action is completely distinct from the morality of them changing their expectations of his job's actions.
   22. Khrushin it bro Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4693619)
Hey! Drinking alcohol isn't a sin! Jesus turned water to wine for Christ's sake!
   23. eddieot Posted: April 24, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4693656)
   24. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: April 24, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4693708)
Hey! Drinking alcohol isn't a sin! Jesus turned water to wine for Christ's sake!


Yeah, but it was probably Manischewitz, which barely counts.
   25. bobm Posted: April 24, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4693714)
but you'd be surprised how many young professionals in career track jobs simply do not get the hints that they need to try harder or do something differently pointless or wasteful to gratify a narcissistic boss , no sure if they are dense or ambivalent or disillusioned regarding the career track they have found themselves in.

FTFY
   26. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2014 at 12:42 AM (#4693767)
A key test of this new page in their playbook comes in a May 6 vote in Cleveland, which the Census Bureau lists as the second-poorest large city in America. A ballot measure there and in surrounding Cuyahoga County would extend taxes first imposed in 1990 until 2035 to benefit the city’s three pro teams: the Browns (football), Cavaliers (basketball) and Indians (baseball). The taxes are small levies on alcoholic drinks and tobacco—everyone in the area who drinks beer, wine or hard liquor or uses tobacco pays, even if you never attend a game.

In most cities, this is done via hotel taxes and such so it mostly hits out-of-towners. Of course, nobody goes to Cleveland.

This sounds not dissimilar from the eternal extension of copyright laws. Clearly Mickey Mouse won't even be in the public domain by the time of Futurama ... otherwise his head would be in a jar.
   27. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 12:55 AM (#4693771)
who doesn't want to wear the ribbon

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