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Thursday, March 30, 2017

Inside Baseball—AL: Lindor Has Little Incentive For Extension

Heyman’s latest.

Jim Furtado Posted: March 30, 2017 at 07:19 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Stevey Posted: March 30, 2017 at 08:19 PM (#5426391)
Lindor's shoe deal terms were not disclosed, but I'd bet it's similar to Bryant's deal with Adidas, which was ~$1M/year for 10 years. That isn't chump change, but I don't see how it plays much into things when he's offered something like 7/$60M.

Lindor is in a good position because he's just a darn good ballplayer, even if the arbitration process might end up undervaluing a guy who provides so much value from OBP and defense.
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 30, 2017 at 08:40 PM (#5426405)
White Sox people believe the Astros and Pirates haven’t been aggressive enough – “passive” is a word that’s been heard – in efforts to land star starter Jose Quintana. He could be a difference maker for either team, it says here.


If people don't want to trade for your good player, then your asking price is too high. You can lower your price, or you can keep the player - that's pretty much your two choices, right there. Whining to the media about how the teams asking about the player don't want to win because they aren't willing to overpay for him only makes you look desperate.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 30, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5426424)
Greg Bird continues to draw raves for his swing. Looks like the Yankees may have a star at first base.

A-Rod compared Bird to Mattingly recently. Hopefully, and without the back injury.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 30, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5426427)
A-Rod compared Bird to Mattingly recently. Hopefully, and without the back injury.

Please. Bird would sign for Mattingly's career, with injury, this second. 42 WAR is a hell of a career. Pretty much every player with under 1 year of service time would.
   5. ReggieThomasLives Posted: March 30, 2017 at 10:04 PM (#5426444)
Lindor has made $3.4M so far, if that shoe deal guarantees he will get to $10M, he's in an excellent position to gamble on himself. He only has to fade two more years and he'll start making real money in arbitration. Once he makes $5M or so that first year of arbitration he's got to go to free agency, the payout will be too huge. The best the indians could hope for is try to delay free agency by a couple years, but it's gonna be exp naive.
   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 30, 2017 at 11:02 PM (#5426461)
Please. Bird would sign for Mattingly's career, with injury, this second. 42 WAR is a hell of a career.


And being included in the conversation as the best player in MLB for a couple of years. That's heady stuff.
   7. Scott Lange Posted: March 31, 2017 at 06:26 AM (#5426496)
Lindor's shoe deal terms were not disclosed, but I'd bet it's similar to Bryant's deal with Adidas, which was ~$1M/year for 10 years.

Bryant has to be the most marketable player in baseball right now, right? Young, white, good-looking, superstar talent who just led a very popular team to their first World Series in 108 years? Granted, they hadn't won the WS when he signed the deal, but I still have to think any other player's shoe deal is even less than his (which only confirms your conclusion).
   8. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: March 31, 2017 at 07:40 AM (#5426502)
Re: Lindor, the report feels like Heyman has NO information on it, just speculation: "But did anyone really think they’d rush to sign Jose Ramirez without at least trying for Lindor first? Not possible."

In a related comment, much of the article felt like it was sourced from Humbug's "Random Diamond Notes:"
Chris Davis's favorite Alec Asher-ism: "For every gumball that's weak, there's a ladybug that's strong."
   9. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2017 at 07:51 AM (#5426507)
Who the hell wants to get Al Leiter and extension and why wouldn't he take it?
   10. Walt Davis Posted: March 31, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5426936)
The Ramirez and Lindor extensions should have pretty much nothing to do with one another. Lindor is stuck in Cleveland for (up to) 5 more years, two of them free and that last three pretty expensive (maybe very expensive if he does become the best non-Trout AL player). So Ramirez isn't "insurance" if Lindor leaves since Lindor can't leave. Paying Ramirez $X million doesn't save the Indians from having to pay Lindor's arb salaries. Plus tying up Ramirez may show Lindor that you are committed to putting solid players around him.

As to Lindor ... he'll sign an extension at the same time any other player will ... when the guaranteed money is sufficient to satisfy his risk aversion. It's certainly correct to point out that with a decent amount already banked, his risk aversion is probably quite low. So, sure, he's unlikely to agree to a Starling Marte buyout (Marte probably shouldn't have agreed to that one) and he surely thinks he deserves more than Odor's extension. At the other extreme, he'd sign Trout's deal in a nanosecond.

Not to go out on a limb :-), but somewhere between 3 arb years and 2 FA years for $50 M and 3 arb years and 3 FA years for $150 M, there is likely a contract that Lindor would be happy to agree to. Whether that lines up with what the Indians are willing to pay is left as an exercise for the reader.

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