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Inside Baseball MLB Notes | Hanley Ramirez Ready For Comeback

Jon Heyman’s weekly notes.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 23, 2018 at 08:19 AM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rally Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5629393)
I'll take the under on Ramirez getting 497 plate appearances this year. If I had the $ I'd be willing to wager up to 22 million on that.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5629394)
I hope Hanley gets 497 PA this year for the Sox because if he does that means he's hitting and the Sox are in the mix.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5629408)
I hope Hanley gets 497 PA this year for the Sox because if he does that means he's hitting and the Sox are in the mix.

He could have a 140 OPS+ and they won't let that option vest. That's the new MLB.
   4. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5629418)
He's juiced to the gills and ready to thrill!
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5629434)
He's juiced to the gills and ready to thrill!
No, he's just stopped eating eggplants. FTFA:

Ramirez has gone on the Tom Brady diet, and says he feels great. He also looks great.

Best shape of his life!
   6. Sweatpants Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5629436)
This generation's Cesar Cedeno, although really that's kind of unfair to Cedeno.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: February 23, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5629441)

This generation's Cesar Cedeno, although really that's kind of unfair to Cedeno.


Hanley killed two people?
   8. TomH Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5629495)
If Hanley gets 497 PA it more likely means
- Moreland is down most of the year, or
- someone got traded
   9. Man o' Schwar Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5629497)
Hanley Ramirez Ready for Comeback

Oh yeah? Well the Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you!
   10. Booey Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5629500)
Hanley killed two people?


Cesar Cedeno killed two people?
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5629501)
Ramirez has gone on the Tom Brady diet

I hope the Tom Brady diet isn't just eating what you catch, because Hanley will starve to death.
   12. oscar madisox Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5629502)
The Mariners need a big comeback year from the King.


Not likely. Elvis is dead. So is Arnold Palmer. And LeBron plays basketball.


   13. SoSH U at work Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5629504)
Cesar Cedeno killed two people?


No, just the one.
   14. Booey Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5629506)
Hanley's career is one of the ones I'm most disappointed by over the last decade or so. A shortstop who could challenge for batting titles, hit 25-30 homers, and steal bases? He looked like a very special player early on.

He's kinda similar to Nomar and Tulo in that way (but with steals!).
   15. Sweatpants Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5629534)
Edit: Eh, poor taste on my part.
   16. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5629544)
Heyman is nearing Gammons-level stream of consciousness:

The dalliance with Mike Mouswhtakas would appear to be over.


Josh Phegley lost 7 percent body fat, which is reason to root for him win the starting catching job. There are other reasons, too.


Carlos Santana is working on helping Maikel Franco with his batting approach. It would be hard to find a better teacher.


They are expecting a monster season from ace Carlos Martinez, and actually need a monster season.


Still, it’s very unusual to see an All-Star DFA’ed, and unbecoming.
   17. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 23, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5629564)
The dalliance with Mike Mouswhtakas would appear to be over.


Never bet against Mike Mouswhtakas, and though no one knows if he can come back from his torn apart beard, if anyone is dangerous enough to do it, it's him.
   18. villageidiom Posted: February 23, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5629601)
If Hanley gets 497 PA it more likely means
- Moreland is down most of the year, or
- someone got traded
For the latter, most likely Hanley.
   19. ajnrules Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5629646)
Cesar Cedeno killed two people?

No, just the one.

I had forgotten about that.
   20. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5629654)
He also looks great.


I hope this means he got a haircut.
   21. manchestermets Posted: February 23, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5629706)
He could have a 140 OPS+ and they won't let that option vest. That's the new MLB.


If he's got a 140 OPS+ and they bench him on 496 AB, he won't even need a lawyer to win that grievance case will he? Notwithstanding that, if he's having a monster season and they're in a tight division race, surely it would be worth letting the option vest at that point regardless? What's the cash value to a club of winning the division/playing in the World Series/winning the World Series? Would there come a point where they could let the option vest and still be in profit?
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5629714)
If he's got a 140 OPS+ and they bench him on 496 AB, he won't even need a lawyer to win that grievance case will he? Notwithstanding that, if he's having a monster season and they're in a tight division race, surely it would be worth letting the option vest at that point regardless? What's the cash value to a club of winning the division/playing in the World Series/winning the World Series? Would there come a point where they could let the option vest and still be in profit?

They'll never let him get to a place where it's possible. If they use him at most 4 times a week during the first 3-4 months, even if they start him full time during the stretch, he won't get there.

I don't see there's any way they can profit. What could an extra 100 PAs of Ramirez be worth in term of playoff expeectancy? 10%? The playoff profits would have to be in the $100M+ range to justify that, and there's no way that's true.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: February 23, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5629716)
What's the cash value to a club of winning the division/playing in the World Series/winning the World Series? Would there come a point where they could let the option vest and still be in profit?
Also, if he produces a 140 OPS+ in 500 PA's, they probably will want him on the 2019 team based on expected performance alone.
If he's got a 140 OPS+ and they bench him on 496 AB, he won't even need a lawyer to win that grievance case will he?
If they are trying to avoid triggering his option, they are not going to play him every day until some day in the beginning of September and then bench him for the rest of the year; Instead they will give him days off regularly from the get-go. That's also justifiable strictly for baseball reasons, as Mitch Moreland has been better than Hanley in 2 of the last 3 seasons including 2017.
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 23, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5629744)
They'll never let him get to a place where it's possible. If they use him at most 4 times a week during the first 3-4 months, even if they start him full time during the stretch, he won't get there.

But that's hardly the only scenario. What if Moreland comes down with an injury, and Ramirez plays more often and much better than expected? Not that easy to sit him as long as he's playing well, especially in the absence of other viable options. Now a Hanley resurgence may be unlikely, making the option vesting moot, but he could theoretically play himself into that option year if he was good enough.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: February 23, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5629750)
What if Moreland comes down with an injury, and Ramirez plays more often and much better than expected? Not that easy to sit him as long as he's playing well, especially in the absence of other viable options. Now a Hanley resurgence may be unlikely, making the option vesting moot, but he could theoretically play himself into that option year if he was good enough.
Yup, that's the path: early injuries coupled with Hanley being both healthy and too good to bench once people get healthy. That scenario would leave the Sox with a slightly overpriced 1B/DH for 2019, but a good 2018 season from Hanley in the books.
   26. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: February 23, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5629757)
If the "problem" for the Sox is that Hanley plays too well to be benched I think I can speak for most Red Sox fans when I say I'm cool with that.
   27. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 23, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5629758)
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 23, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5629768)
Hanley killed two people?

With his bare hands. Just to watch them die.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: February 23, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5629771)
The least he could have done was mention this before they signed Martinez.

It would only take an injury to Moreland or any one of the OFs (with Martinez moving to the OF) to open a spot for Hanley. Or Moreland finally turning into the 50 OPS+ pumpkin it apparently takes to get him out of the lineup. But sure the joint probability of significant playing time and Hanley performing well is pretty low. And if that does happen and he does well enough, they can probably trade him while eating some money if they want. (EDIT: I mean trade him next offseason if the option vests.)

On the plus side, Hanley didn't demand a trade which would have been the reaction of many vet players to being out of a job. Could still happen if the Sox eat enough money (might require Hanley having a good spring).
   30. karlmagnus Posted: February 23, 2018 at 05:58 PM (#5629840)
The Sox seem to specialize in being mean and unappreciative to players called Ramirez. Manny would be in the HoF if the Sox hadn't treated him so badly in 2008.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 06:13 PM (#5629847)
Manny would be in the HoF if the Sox hadn't treated him so badly in 2008.

Yeah, that's not true. He failed multiple PED tests.
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: February 23, 2018 at 06:23 PM (#5629851)
Yeah, that's not true. He failed PED tests.


To be fair, the second part isn't true either.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 06:44 PM (#5629853)
To be fair, the second part isn't true either.

Actually, it is. He was suspended 50 games in 2009. In spring training 2011, he failed another test, and retired rather than face a 100 game suspension.
   34. Mudpout Posted: February 23, 2018 at 07:02 PM (#5629862)
Whatever the Sox did to Manny in '08, it really seemed to send him into a tailspin and put a hamper on his performance down the stretch and in the playoffs for the Dodgers. I can see how a funk like that would have a negative effect on someone's HOF case.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: February 23, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5629866)
Actually, it is. He was suspended 50 games in 2009. In spring training 2011, he failed another test, and retired rather than face a 100 game suspension.


I meant the second part of Karl's comment. He wasn't treated badly in 2008.
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2018 at 07:24 PM (#5629870)
I meant the second part of Karl's comment. He wasn't treated badly in 2008.

Oh, OK.
   37. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 23, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5629872)
Manny would be in the HoF if the Sox hadn't treated him so badly in 2008.


What a load of cr*p. Manny Ramirez would be a 1st ballot HOFer if he hadn't been pinged twice for PEDs.

Unless you have evidence of Red Sox employees forcing Manny to take PEDs there is nothing from his time at Boston that would preclude him from being elected. I still marvel at how locked in he could be for a month's stretch, it was really amazing to watch at times.

But to blame the Red Sox for him not having a chance at election is just ludicrous.
   38. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: February 23, 2018 at 09:24 PM (#5629900)
Hanley killed two people?

With his bare hands. Just to watch them die.


If they had just dressed up as fly balls, they'd be with us still.
   39. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 23, 2018 at 11:13 PM (#5629930)
If they had just dressed up as fly balls, they'd be with us still.

Likely not. He was a butcher in the outfield too.
   40. Mudpout Posted: February 24, 2018 at 12:11 AM (#5629938)
Anyone else remember when Farrell brought Noe Ramirez in to make his major league debut to start the top of the 10th in a tie game against the Astros with Altuve coming up and the kid gave up 4 runs, 2 earned? So the exact opposite of the end of his Red Sox career, but I always felt like that could have been handled better.

They didn't even let Ramon Ramirez have a Red Sox stint, just left him in the minors all year. Not that Ramon Ramirez, the other Ramon Ramirez.
   41. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2018 at 05:37 PM (#5630066)
C'mon, you guys really need to work on your reverse conspiracy theories. If Manny had stayed with the Red Sox, he would have continued to have MLB suppress his positive drug tests just like they did with Ortiz. George Mitchell is an incredibly powerful man.

Or Manny never needed to use PEDs when he had a LF wall 150 feet away for half the season.

On the other hand, "sources close to the team" were not very kind to Manny on his way out the door making sure the press knew about all of his poor behavior (which, if true, was very poor behavior).
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: February 24, 2018 at 06:08 PM (#5630069)
On the other hand, "sources close to the team" were not very kind to Manny on his way out the door making sure the press knew about all of his poor behavior (which, if true, was very poor behavior).


Are you referring to the shove of the traveling secretary?
   43. Mudpout Posted: February 25, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5630202)
I will never grow tired of saying this, my favourite story of Manny's behaviour in the clubhouse is that he'd use hand towels instead of toilet paper and try to flush them down the toilet. Apparently not once or twice, either, apparently this was a running problem.

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