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Inside Baseball MLB Notes | Where will Holland go? | FanRag Sports

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Jim Furtado Posted: March 19, 2018 at 06:24 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 19, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5639684)
Washington Nationals
. . .
No word yet on when Seth Romero might return. He was sent home after breaking curfew with a girlfriend, as FanRag Sports first reported.

Unusual behavior for a 21-year old male, eh?
   2. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: March 19, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5639692)
Unusual behavior for a 21-year old male, eh?


He also got himself kicked off two different college teams - he fell far enough in the draft that it was a really good gamble for a team picking near the bottom of the 1st round, but I'm guessing there's a bit more to his dismissal than just a missed spring curfew.

On Holland -

Was looking through the closer depth charts in a Gonfalon Cubs post and one team I don't understand not in on Holland at this point is the Angels. If they fancy themselves contenders, are they really planning to go with journeymen like Blake Parker and Jim Johnson?
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 19, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5639694)
Where will Holland go?
A little to the left of Germany?
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5639705)
I had to RTFA to realize they didn't mean Derek Holland, as I thought it was strange that there would be that much interest in the signing of an injury-prone pitcher with an ERA over 6 last year.
   5. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: March 19, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5639756)
Greg Holland has the 30 GMs right where he wants them. Sift through the pile of $100 million offers and pick one right before Opening Day.
   6. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: March 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5639763)
I'm pretty surprised that the Brewers haven't yet pulled the trigger on Cobb - TFA also lists the Orioles and Padres(?) as suitors. I was surprised that they didn't land Arrieta - I'll be shocked if they don't land Cobb.

I know they still think they've got an OF in their back pocket to get an SP via trade, but I just cannot fathom how the Brewers are comfortable waiting on a SP to come them.
   7. JRVJ Posted: March 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5639776)
The problem I see with Cobb is that a Lynn deal doesn't make sense for most teams (in that they'd forego way too much for a year of Cobb).

So for a deal to work, it'd have to be a Lynn deal but over 2, 3 years, with a discount at the end (i.e., something like $30MM for 3 years).

And I doubt Cobb wants that.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: March 19, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5639931)
Yeah, you're not getting a discount at the end. 2/$20 (plus incentives) with a $15 M option with $5 M buyout or some such maybe. Or 3/$35 but with an opt-out in there somewhere. At this point he doesn't have much incentive to sign a team-favorable long-term deal, he might as well sign for 1 year and try it again next year.

Good point on the Angels. Bullpens are funny things but that one doesn't look good -- though a similar collection of questionable relievers made it to league average last year. Certainly while other teams were zigging towards bigger contracts for guys with good 2017s the Angels were zagging. They also would have been a good landing spot for Lynn and are still one for Cobb. They started the offseason like they were hellbent on competing for Trout's (last?) three years but then, after the market slowed, they eased off the pedal which makes little sense.
   9. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: March 19, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5639973)
The problem I see with Cobb is that a Lynn deal doesn't make sense for most teams (in that they'd forego way too much for a year of Cobb).

Both Cobb and Lynn were offered arb and turned it down, right?
   10. JJ1986 Posted: March 19, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5639987)
Is there any reason teams can't "sign-and-trade" these guys where Cobb signs with the Rays and then they get something small for him in exchange for forgoing the potential draft pick compensation?
   11. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: March 19, 2018 at 08:27 PM (#5640013)
Both Cobb and Lynn were offered arb and turned it down, right?


Yeah.

At this point, Cobb is already gonna miss what... at least two starts? With his health history, I can't see a signing team rushing him into the rotation either.

I think it's gotta start factoring in to what teams are willing to pay on a short term deal or at least, a one year deal.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: March 19, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5640015)
Both Cobb and Lynn were offered arb and turned it down, right?

You mean QOs and yes.

#10: I'm not aware of a rule against it but there's not really anything in it for the Rays. If a team signed Cobb now, that team would lose a 3rd round pick (most likely, depends on lux tax, etc.) and the Rays would get a supplemental 2nd round pick (unless somebody panicked and gave him $50M+). If the signing team isn't willing to surrender a 3rd round pick to sign Cobb then the Rays would have to settle for less than that. At that point, you're not talking much more than a warm body. Granted, still better than the nothing they get if Cobb never signs but not something the Rays or Cobb are going to feel strongly motivated to worry about.

Near as I can tell, under the current CBA, Cobb is still stuck with the compensation tag until the draft. I'd suggest the Rays might as well gamble that somebody gets desperate and will take him before then, that he'll drop his price so low that somebody takes him before then or that it drops so low even the Rays decide they want him then deal him at the deadline if they're out of it.
   13. puck Posted: March 19, 2018 at 09:31 PM (#5640025)
Maybe the Angels are done with ex-Rockies closers (Fuentes and Street previously).

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