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Sunday, July 16, 2017

Inside Baseball NL Notes | Nationls Call On Orioles Britton

Missed this the other day. Here’s the AL Notes.

Jim Furtado Posted: July 16, 2017 at 08:23 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. You're a clown, RMc! I'm tired of it! Posted: July 16, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5494319)
It's Natinals, not Nationls.
   2. Bote Man Posted: July 16, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5494344)
Wow. Fan Rag can't even mess up the name right!

In other news, Mike Rizzo enchanted Billy Beane yet again and traded Blake Treinen and 2 minor leaguers for Doolittle and Madson, so that might relieve some of the urgency for trading for another reliever. I wouldn't be surprised if he does acquire another pitcher, perhaps a cheap starter. They actually coughed up some money to pay these incoming guys which is quite atypical for them in a mid-season trade.
   3. Bote Man Posted: July 16, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5494345)
Also, the Nats and Orioles have never completed a trade. No doubt the MASN legal dispute figures prominently in that, so I'm confident that there will be no trades between these 2 teams until Angelos kicks the bucket and that matter is settled. Maybe even never?
   4. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: July 16, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5494373)
Rizzo in general has been fantastic on the trade block, but particularly so with the A;s. this looks like another good one.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2017 at 07:34 PM (#5494455)
Which trades have those been?

There was the big Gio Gonzalez trade. The A's traded away the 4 super-2 arb years of Gonzalez. The Nats immediately gave him a buyout extension. In the 4 arb years, he put up 13 WAR for $29 M -- if not for the buyout, it would almost certainly have cost more than $29 M as he had a big first year.

The A's received:

AJ Cole -- never pitched for the A's, traded back to the Nats (with Treinen and Ian Krol) with the A's getting Jaso from the M's and the Nats sending Morse to the M's. Jaso gave the A's 2.6 WAR in two bench seasons before getting flipped along with some "prospects" to the Rays for Zobrist and Escobar. Zobrist gave the A's 0.7 WAR before being flipped to the Royals for Sean Manea who has given the A's.... This is getting tricky. Escobar was traded 4 days later to the Nats for Tyler Clippard.

Derek Norris -- Surprisingly, Norris gave the A's 5.5 WAR (2 WAA) at league min then was traded for Jesse Hahn who had a nice debut but hasn't been very good since (1 WAR, -1 WAA). Norris too eventually found his way back to the Nats.

Tommy Milone -- He pitched fine for the A's, 3.5 WAR and -.5 WAA. He got bumped in the Lester, Samardzija et al shuffle and traded to the Twins for Sam Fuld who gave tbe A's 2 WAR.

Brad Peacock -- He never pitched for the A's, traded to the Astros with Chris Carter for Jed Lowrie. In this go-round, Lowrie gave the A's 2.8 WAR, -1.2 WAA before becoming an FA.

This just points to the near impossibility of assessing trades with the A's during Beane's "I don't want to pay anybody over $3 M except for FA relievers and washed-up DHs" phase. He's had a few other trades like this (Gio came to the A's in the Swisher trade which may have been the first of this type for Beane) -- trading off a good, cost-controlled player for several OK players, one of them has a nice run, he flips them for a couple of OK players, repeat for as long as you can.

From the Nats' perspective, obviously that worked out quite well as they'd rather have 3 WAR per year concentrated into a single player because they have the payroll to use the extra roster spot wisely. Beane (I suspect incorrectly) seems to prefer spreading the WAR out so he's near-average at as many spots as possible then flip the guy who bounces above average, all before anybody costs any money.

Still, add it all up and it's Gio's 13 WAR versus:

Jaso (via Cole): 2.6
Norris: 5.5
Milone: 3.5
Lowrie (via Peacock): 2.8
Total: 14.4 WAR

And the only guy in that bunch that the A's paid any real money to was Lowrie (<$8 for two years). You could deduct Carter and the WAR produced later by Cole and Peacock from that but you could also arguably add Zobrist, Manaea, Clippard, Fuld and Hahn. That the A's can trace 2 of their opening day rotation (both still dirt cheap) back to the Gio trade of the 2011-12 offseason is impressive in its way. Now if Manaea can turn himself into Gio over the next couple of years, Beane can start all over again.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2017 at 07:37 PM (#5494457)
I did find an article from 2014 detailing trades up to that point. The others are pretty minor ones like Blevins for Burns and Abad for a prospect. Some Kurt Suzuki swaps and Josh Willingham. Has there been another major one over the last couple of seasons that I've forgotten?
   7. ReggieThomasLives Posted: July 17, 2017 at 06:32 PM (#5494915)
Man the orioles staff is horrid this year.

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