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Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Is it Rasmus or La Russa in St. Louis?

Soap operas are being taken off network TV, but at least we still have baseball.

By the way he’s portrayed, you’d expect St. Louis center fielder Colby Rasmus to be the guy with the badly dyed goatee and have ominous music every time he appears on screen. That’s at least the way Cardinals manager Tony La Russa (speaking of bad dye jobs) keeps playing it.

The latest barb? Speaking to KSDK-TV in St. Louis, La Russa said Rasmus doesn’t listen to the team’s coaches.

“No, he doesn’t listen to the Cardinal coaches much now, and that’s why he gets in these funks, in my opinion,” La Russa said, according to MLB.com. “If he would just stay with [basically] what they teach, he would have … but I actually feel concern for him, because he hears it from so many places, he’s got to be confused.”

That, of course, is a swipe at Rasmus’ dad, who has been critical of La Russa publically.

Thanks to Hellios.

Repoz Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:57 PM | 131 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:07 PM (#3886445)
La Russa stays, Rasmus goes to Blue Jays for Edwin Jackson (plus), once Frasor (plus) goes to White Sox for Jackson (plus). Maybe?
   2. Good cripple hitter Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:14 PM (#3886451)
I like Frasor enough, but that has to be a pretty damn big plus if you're getting Jackson for him. Plus I don't think Jackson (plus) nets you Rasmus, given that Jackson (IIRC) is going to be a free agent in the offseason.

Edit: Okay, I didn't see the MLB Trade Rumors post that claims that this is the exact scenario that's rumored to be going down. That's odd.
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:15 PM (#3886452)
I think the Cards will want more than an Edwin Jackson-level guy for Rasmus, who is under team control through 2014 and has all that glittery "potential".
   4. bjhanke Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:22 PM (#3886464)
I'm not at all sure that Rasmus' problems have to do with coaching. They look like Sophomore Slump to me. Colby is odd, in that he first came to the majors during a down year, had his first good year last year, and is, in terms of adjustments to the big leagues, effectively a sophomore. I think that's a lot of why the Cards don't want to trade him. It's also probably a lot of why he will listen to any coach, including his father. He's not sure why he isn't as good as he was last year, and does not perceive of himself as a Sophomore. But by my theories of Sophomore Slump are that it is one symptom of a larger issue in which players adjust to the league and then the league adjusts back, and then the player counter-adjusts, etc. Normally, a player comes up during a hot season, so the Sophomore one is weak. Colby just has had a weird career. Now, the personality issues I know nothing about. - Brpck Hanke
   5. Spivey Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:29 PM (#3886477)
#4: The batting advice from his father and father/TLR disagreements didn't start this year when he was having a sophomore slump.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:30 PM (#3886478)
I heard a rumor for Rasmus to the Yanks for Banuelos, Nunez and Montero, but I have a hard time believing Montero is moved for anything but a frontline pitcher, and I don't know what the Yanks do with Rasmus.
   7. steagles Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:43 PM (#3886494)
I think the Cards will want more than an Edwin Jackson-level guy for Rasmus, who is under team control through 2014 and has all that glittery "potential".
if rasmus comes on the market, the phillies had damn well better go for broke in trying to get him. i wouldn't move brown for him, and i'd really like to keep valle, but worley, cosart, singleton, may, pettibone, etc. should all be on the table if rasmus is.
   8. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:46 PM (#3886498)
So is Rasmus a legit CF?

Excited Jays fan asking.

EDIT: it's too early to call him a good GM (though early returns are positive) but Anthopoulous is certainly one of the most EXCITING GMs around.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:47 PM (#3886501)
if rasmus comes on the market, the phillies had damn well better go for broke in trying to get him. i wouldn't move brown for him, and i'd really like to keep valle, but worley, cosart, singleton, may, pettibone, etc. should all be on the table if rasmus is.


Wouldn't the Cards be trying to avoid sending him to a fellow NL contender at all costs?

I can see the Jays getting in on this. I think AA is going to be fun at the deadline.
   10. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:49 PM (#3886502)
The Mariners are neither in the NL nor are they a contender. Send him our way!
   11. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:56 PM (#3886512)
Via Ken Rosenthal

"Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox"
   12. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:00 PM (#3886514)
Tweet-aggregators at MLBTradeRumors say Jackson to the Jays for Frasor is done, and the only thing holding up Jackson to the Cards for Rasmus is money.
   13. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:07 PM (#3886523)
So is Rasmus a legit CF?

Skills-wise, yes. He seems to play a bit distractedly at times (to my eyes, anyway), that can affect him negatively in the field. He strikes me as the kind of player who badly needs a fresh start in a relatively low-pressure environment. He needs a manager who will let off the gas and for his Dad to be a little less of a maniac. I think Toronto would be good for him. Although if all he nets is Edwin Jackson, I'm going to be mighty pissed.
   14. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:08 PM (#3886526)
Mark Teahen is also going to Toronto, and a prospect (most likely nothing special) is coming to the White Sox. It's more or less a salary dump on the Sox' end, although I could see the Sox keeping Frasor and dumping, say, Matt Thornton. From the Sox' perspective, that is essentially the motivation behind this deal -- dumping salary.

The move in isolation isn't bad for the Sox, but it's the culmination of two really silly moves -- signing Teahen to a three year, $12(ish) million extension immediately after trading for him, and trading five+ years of cost-controlled Daniel Hudson for a year-and-a-half (well, now only a year) of paid-at-market-value Edwin Jackson.
   15. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:10 PM (#3886530)
Zach Stewart is the 2nd player going to the White Sox.
   16. attaboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:17 PM (#3886536)
Wow, anything short of a world series and this is horrible for the cards. Huge winfall for the jays...turning Fraisor, minor prospects and money into Rasmus, assuming that is how it goes down.
   17. bfan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:17 PM (#3886537)
well crap. the Braves need a CF, and Rasmus is a quasi-local kid (Alabama); couldn't they have put together something for him? Or is Rasmus another Nate McLouth waiting to happen?
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:19 PM (#3886539)
No cash in the deal, as opposed to earlier reports.
   19. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:20 PM (#3886540)
well crap. the Braves need a CF, and Rasmus is a quasi-local kid (Alabama); couldn't they have put together something for him? Or is Rasmus another Nate McLouth waiting to happen?

Jeff Francoeur?
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:20 PM (#3886541)
Any word on what the deal to STL would be?
   21. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:29 PM (#3886546)
So is Rasmus a legit CF?

He's been really bad out there the last two years, though, like Dayn says, that might have more to do with a lack of focus than physical skills. But he's still a lot better suited for LF.
   22. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:30 PM (#3886548)
Wow, anything short of a world series and this is horrible for the cards.


I think I'd wait and see what prospects the Jays are sending along with Jackson. They've got a very good system (KLaw ranked it 2nd last week) and it seems clear they'll part with prospects (Stewart was a preseason #44) in a deal.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:34 PM (#3886552)
So is Rasmus a legit CF?


Yes, he has a tendency to be a little tentative in the field which affects the quality of his defense, but he has the talent to fix that. His poor defense isn't because of his lack of ability.
   24. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:36 PM (#3886555)
I heard a rumor for Rasmus to the Yanks for Banuelos, Nunez and Montero


Color me enormously skeptical that the Yankees would send so much talent in a trade for what would amount to a third center fielder, and one whose performance isn't nearly at the level of the two currently starting.
   25. SuperGrover Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:38 PM (#3886559)
[quoteThe move in isolation isn't bad for the Sox, but it's the culmination of two really silly moves -- signing Teahen to a three year, $12(ish) million extension immediately after trading for him, and trading five+ years of cost-controlled Daniel Hudson for a year-and-a-half (well, now only a year) of paid-at-market-value Edwin Jackson.]

Yep. I would often defend KW in the past, but his latest strings of ineptitude (turning FDLS and Gio Gonzalez into a Betemit and this nonsense) has left me to realize that we're in pretty bad shape. I don't see how the Sox can turn things around unless KW departs.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:39 PM (#3886560)
Wow, anything short of a world series and this is horrible for the cards.


Welcome to the world of Cardinal trades under Mo.... where we have yet to come remotely close to a break even on any trade (except I guess the Holliday trade, and maybe Edmonds) but generally speaking Mo does not know trades.
   27. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:41 PM (#3886562)
Trade of Rasmus to Toronto imminent for Jackson, Dotel, Rzepczynski, and that's it (edited) according to Strauss.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:42 PM (#3886564)
Weird deal for the Cards. I guess TLR undercut Mo a bit though. AA is a lot of fun.
   29. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:44 PM (#3886565)
Color me enormously skeptical that the Yankees would send so much talent in a trade for what would amount to a third center fielder, and one whose performance isn't nearly at the level of the two currently starting.

While I'm not generally one to buy into this sort of thinking, I believe NY would be an awful destination for Rasmus. I think the guy needs as much peace and Zen as possible right now.
   30. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:46 PM (#3886566)
So the Jays are basically netting Rasmus for 3 relievers & Zach Stewart while also assuming Teahen's contract. That's impressive.
   31. phredbird Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:47 PM (#3886568)
Welcome to the world of Cardinal trades under Mo....


yeah. it's not that i'm so much in love with colby, but if he goes we're gonna get fleeced, and that's what bothers me.

shouldn't we be trading for a closer? *ducks*
   32. JJ1986 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:50 PM (#3886572)
shouldn't we be trading for a closer? *ducks*


Dotel's having a decent season.
   33. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:50 PM (#3886573)
39. DCW3? Posted: December 01, 2007 at 03:30 AM (#2630546)
Unbefuckingleivable. Sure, dump the better, cheaper guy. Just because TLR hates him. For no reason. Other than he doesn't like the nickname "J-Rod."

No, there's definitely a reason. Think about all the players on the last couple Cardinal teams that La Russa clearly despises: John Rodriguez. Scott Rolen. Anthony Reyes. Brendan Ryan. Notice anything they all have in common? I'm confident that once Colby Rasmus makes it to the majors, La Russa will tell him to stop walking so much, bench him, and finally engineer a deal to trade him for Kris Benson.


Well, I guess Jackson is a little better than Benson, at least.
   34. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:50 PM (#3886576)
So that was like, what, an hour where I tentatively felt OK with cheering on Jackson?
   35. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:52 PM (#3886578)
Joe Strauss is reporting "Edwin Jackson and relievers Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski

Terrible, terrible deal, if so. Would be much better to option Rasmus and trade him this off-season.

link
   36. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:52 PM (#3886577)
So, from the Jays end: they get Rasmus and Teahan while giving up Frasor, Rzepczynski, Stewart and Dotel.

Looks pretty favourable for Toronto.
   37. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:53 PM (#3886581)
So for the Jays it's Stewart, Zep, Dotel and Frasor for Rasmus.

The last two were really only here to net the draft picks, so using them instead for Rasmus is ok.
Zep and Stewart are young arms, but not terribly exciting.

All in all a nice price for Rasmus.
   38. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:53 PM (#3886582)
I can't believe that another team actually wants Dotel.
   39. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:54 PM (#3886583)

I think I'd wait and see what prospects the Jays are sending along with Jackson.


Now you can froth, foam and rage.
   40. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:01 PM (#3886590)
Greg (U)K -- it figures that the two posters with Regina roots would post such similar items only a minute apart.
   41. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:03 PM (#3886592)
####### horrible, horrible trade. Sell low on your young, talented, cost-controlled CFer. Get #### in return. I fully expect that Dotel and Zep and will force aside young relievers who are better than they are. I hope Rasmus lights the world on fire in Toronto. It's your team now, TLR. This team will probably win this crap division by a game or two and validate, in the eyes of too many, everything that's happened over the last six months or so. #### me.
   42. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:05 PM (#3886594)
Great minds from great places think alike.
   43. CraigK Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:05 PM (#3886596)
We got one for the Kazmir trade, can we get an "Official Cardinals Fan Self-Immolation Thread"?

Please?
   44. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:06 PM (#3886598)
I fully expect that Dotel and Zep and will force aside young relievers who are better than they are.

Rzepczynski is only 25, and has actually been quite effective this year, in his first real attempt at being a bullpen guy. I doubt you've got that many relievers younger and better than him.
   45. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:07 PM (#3886601)
I can't imagine the Cards couldn't get a better deal than this.

Morosi reports they asked for Eric Thames but the Jays said no dice. Other teams weren't offering more?
   46. CraigK Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:09 PM (#3886602)
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.



SELF-IMMOLATION THREAD NOW
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:10 PM (#3886604)
I can't believe that another team actually wants Dotel.


Have you seen the Cardinals bullpen this year? We have 5 games that we lost in which we were up by multiple runs and had one out to go. We've blown 4 run leads in the 9th inning multiple times this year. I think we've blown 7 run leads in the 8th inning twice this year.(from memory not exactly sure of all the numbers)

Still it's a terrible trade. Rasmus for a free agent to be pitcher, a reliever with an option for next year and a semi-decent reliever at 25 years old who hasn't lit the world on fire. The Cardinals have traded away three better relievers(Chris Perez, Luke Gregerson, Blake Hawksworth) in the past few years for absolutely nothing remotely comparable to Rasmus. (only winning trade is Edmonds for Freese I would argue)
   48. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:10 PM (#3886606)
Per Al Gore:

The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.
   49. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:10 PM (#3886607)
Per Olney's Twitter feed: "The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson."

Whatever.

EDIT: Coke, flavored with my tears, for Toronto selects.
   50. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:11 PM (#3886610)
Nice work by the Jays. I remember when the A's used to get involved in deals like this. Ah well.

Rumors of Carlos Beltran to the Giants are picking up steam.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:12 PM (#3886611)
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.


Silver lining, Miller and Tallet would no longer be Cardinals..... I'm assuming this is being done just to avoid 40 man roster issues. Miller, Tallet are utterly worthless, Tallet should be working at a Jiffy Lube someplace.

Corey Patterson, great a veteran that might somehow earn playing time over Craig, Jay or even Schumaker....
   52. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:12 PM (#3886613)
Odds that the three players St. Louis are getting are all elsewhere on Opening Day 2013? I really don't see this deal from St. Louis' standpoint. They must be REALLY down on Rasmus.
   53. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:13 PM (#3886615)
I can't believe that another team actually wants Dotel.


That's what the Pirates said when they traded him for James McDonald last year!
   54. JJ1986 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:14 PM (#3886617)
Tallet is on the DL. I don't think he can be traded.
   55. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:15 PM (#3886618)
Jesus, and we also get rid of Corey Patterson? This trade is the gift that keeps on giving.
   56. Eric P. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:15 PM (#3886621)
As a Jays fan this reminds me so much of the Escobar trade from last year. AA gave up more this time around but it's another very talented ballplayer who's struggling on the field and clashing with his organization. I can only hope Rasmus works out as well as Yunel.
   57. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:16 PM (#3886622)
Other teams weren't offering more?
Clearly that Yankee deal was pie-in-the-sky talking, since otherwise you have to think St. Louis prefers that to what they got from Toronto.
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:21 PM (#3886629)
Tallet is on the DL. I don't think he can be traded


He might have been activated, he was close to coming back, and his dl stint was more than likely one of those 'fake' dl stints for a guy who was struggling.
   59. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:21 PM (#3886630)
FWIW, Dotel does net you a compensatory pick.


The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.


ROFL.
   60. Sweatpants Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:22 PM (#3886631)
So this gives the Blue Jays, what - three of the last four big trade swindles (Gonzalez for Kelly being the fourth)? Escobar for Gonzalez, Napoli for Wells (although they traded Napoli away for whatever reason), and this deal. Three instances of finding a guy who'd fallen out of favor with his team and giving up a big pile of nothing special for him. Not bad.
   61. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3886638)
As a Jays fan this reminds me so much of the Escobar trade from last year. AA gave up more this time around but it's another very talented ballplayer who's struggling on the field and clashing with his organization. I can only hope Rasmus works out as well as Yunel.

Misunderstood outcasts are the new market inefficiency.
   62. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:25 PM (#3886642)
Well at least this deal means that Mo isn't going to be tempted to make a trade for a reliever for a few weeks, so there is less of a chance of him ####### anything else up.
   63. asdf1234 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:25 PM (#3886643)
No Lawrie and no Escobar. Mozeliak is either a fool or under TLR's thumb. Funny how the two look so similar.

For 3.5 CCed years of Rasmus, the Cardinals get one or two wins from swapping Jackson for McClellan in the rotation for a dozen starts and two relievers who might be worth a half-win between the two of them from here on out, assuming that they're used optimally. Cardinal fans can take solace in the fact that in return for a blue-chipper who put up 3-WAR seasons at the ages of 22 & 23, they'll enjoy 3+ years of Marc Rzepczynski. Sarcasm leads me to sell Rzepczynski a bit short, as he has nice minor-league numbers and could become a very good starter, but let's be realistic here: he throws with his left hand and has been a reliever all season, which pretty much dooms him to serve as Trever Miller's understudy and eventual successor.

Is now a good time to point out that Brendan Ryan has been a 2.5 WAR player this year, while Theriot continues to plug along at -0.8?

Edit: over/under on how many games it takes TLR to give Patterson a start at 2B?
   64. salvomania Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:27 PM (#3886644)
So what, it's John Jay now as full-time CF?

Interesting Rasmus factoid: he has 25% more walks than Pujols in 2011 (45 to 36).

With Rasmus gone, the four remaining Cardinals who have played in the most games in 2011 are (in order): Jay (101), Descalso (95), Berkman (92), and Molina (90).
   65. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:30 PM (#3886649)
Is now a good time to point out that Brendan Ryan has been a 2.5 WAR player this year, while Theriot continues to plug along at -0.8?


Only if you also remember to point out that Brendan Ryan will be paid a total of $2.75M for 2011 and 2012, whereas Theriot will make $3.3M for this season alone.
   66. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:30 PM (#3886650)
Clearly that Yankee deal was pie-in-the-sky talking


I don't think I ever saw it even mentioned as a rumor on MLBtraderumors, making me think it wasn't even a "real" rumor, especially since there was 0.00% reason for the Yankees to make that trade.
   67. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:31 PM (#3886656)
Misunderstood outcasts are the new market inefficiency.

Hopefully this strategy works better than it did when the Nationals picked up Lastings Milledge, Wily Mo Pena, and Elijah Dukes.
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886657)
which pretty much dooms him to serve as Trever Miller's understudy and eventual successor.

Miller was traded, so he's already his successor.
   69. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886660)
Tallet is on the DL. I don't think he can be traded.


Not sure, but the MLBtraderumor entry for Jason Giambi (who hurt himself and was placed on the DL yesterday), said that players on the DL can be traded, it's just rare to see it happen.
   70. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886661)
So what, it's John Jay now as full-time CF?

Yeah. Although with Berkman banged up, Holliday sick and Craig still on the DL, we'll probably be seeing a whole lot of Corey Patterson in the next few weeks.
   71. steagles Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886663)
i don't think rzep is getting enough credit here. to call him a reliever assumes that that's the role he'll be used in for the rest of his career, whereas i think it's much more likely that he was in that role only as a stepping stone for him to break into the majors before returning to the rotation.

he gets a ton of groundballs off his sinker, and he gets a ton of swinging strikes off his slider. he's really good.

Sarcasm leads me to sell Rzepczynski a bit short, as he has nice minor-league numbers and could become a very good starter, but let's be realistic here: he throws with his left hand and has been a reliever all season, which pretty much dooms him to serve as Trever Miller's understudy and eventual successor.
if they leave him in the bullpen without giving him a real shot at the rotation, i'd be dumbfounded.

they just can't do that. it wouldn't make any sense.
   72. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:33 PM (#3886665)
Boy, some nice work by Anthropophagous (or whatever his name is). The kid can really deal.
   73. asdf1234 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:33 PM (#3886666)

Only if you also remember to point out that Brendan Ryan will be paid a total of $2.75M for 2011 and 2012, whereas Theriot will make $3.3M for this season alone.


That's actually a good thing, as TLR would've lobbied to use the salary savings to lock up Joe Thurston to a multi-year deal.
   74. asdf1234 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:34 PM (#3886669)

Miller was traded, so he's already his successor.


Well, at least we got a precocious lefty.
   75. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:35 PM (#3886670)
if they leave him in the bullpen without giving him a real shot at the rotation, i'd be dumbfounded.

Maybe next season, but right now the Cardinals' rotation consists of Carpenter, Garcia, Lohse, Westbrook and Jackson. Westbrook had a lousy first half, but Rzepczynski's not displacing any of those guys.
   76. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3886673)
if they leave him in the bullpen without giving him a real shot at the rotation, i'd be dumbfounded.

they just can't do that. it wouldn't make any sense


Neither does the rest of this trade, so they'll probably be leaving him in the bullpen.

I do think that Cards fans will be pleasantly surprised by Scrabble.
   77. salvomania Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3886679)
Yeah. Although with Berkman banged up, Holliday sick and Craig still on the DL, we'll probably be seeing a whole lot of Corey Patterson in the next few weeks.


Craig comes off the DL next week---I can't wait to get his bat back into the lineup somehow. If only Holliday, Berkman or Freese could play CF....
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3886681)
So what, it's John Jay now as full-time CF?


yep the morons at stltoday should be happy for this. We now have a role player as a starting centerfielder and no legitimate backup except Schumaker(or I guess Patterson)
   79. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:42 PM (#3886683)
I do think that Cards fans will be pleasantly surprised by Scrabble.

True story, I met a kid in Nottingham with a Rzep jersey. Said he saw a Jays game while on vacation in Toronto that he happened to start and has been his favourite player ever since. He'll be crushed.
   80. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:49 PM (#3886693)
Craig comes off the DL next week---I can't wait to get his bat back into the lineup somehow.

That was the original plan, but La Russa basically said yesterday that "he'll be back when he gets back," which doesn't sound good.
   81.   Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3886694)
I like Rzepcynski and think he could be converted back to starter. But yeah, sweet deal.
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3886696)

Not sure, but the MLBtraderumor entry for Jason Giambi (who hurt himself and was placed on the DL yesterday), said that players on the DL can be traded, it's just rare to see it happen.


You can trade guys on the DL, you just need the Commish to sign off on it.

I'm assuming the Jays only got Miller because he is also worth a comp pick?
   83. phredbird Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:54 PM (#3886698)
SELF-IMMOLATION THREAD NOW


*goes to get can of gasoline*

dumb question: if trading rasmus was something they were willing to do, why didn't the cardinals try to get someone like heath bell? why is that impossible?

It's your team now, TLR. This team will probably win this crap division by a game or two and validate, in the eyes of too many, everything that's happened over the last six months or so. #### me.


i hate to say it, but this is looking more and more true.
   84. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3886701)
I'm assuming the Jays only got Miller because he is also worth a comp pick?

I think it's more likely that the Jays got Miller to help balance out salaries, and to prevent the Cards from having to drop anyone off their 40 man roster.
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:56 PM (#3886702)
McCllellan is getting screwed in this deal, but he seems to be really only a six inning starter anyway.

That was the original plan, but La Russa basically said yesterday that "he'll be back when he gets back," which doesn't sound good.


We should have also traded Laird so that we could have opened a roster spot for Craig. He went 2 for 4 yesterday and seems to be healthy. Of course if we trade Laird, then TLR doesn't use Cruz as a pinch hitter anymore.

Overall on the bright side our bullpen has instantly become a plus bullpen. Alphabet replacing Miller, Dotel replacing Walters, and McClellan returning to the pen should improve it dramatically.
   86. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3886706)
So who's actually on the roster now?
Dotel, Rzep and Frasor, Patterson out
Teahen, Rasmus and Miller in? I had heard the Jays had called up Brad Mills.
   87. Matthew E Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3886707)
I'm sorry to see Frasor, Rzepczynski, and Stewart depart the Jays. (At least Frasor got to set the all-time team appearances record before he left.) And I don't really care about Teahen, Walters, or Tallet.

I like the trade very much.
   88. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3886714)
Does Dotel close in St Louis now?

Who is PJ Walters? This looks like a baseball mogul trade.
   89. The_Ex Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:04 PM (#3886718)
Dotel has been very good against righties, just don't let him face a lefty is a key spot.
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3886717)
It's your team now, TLR. This team will probably win this crap division by a game or two and validate, in the eyes of too many, everything that's happened over the last six months or so. #### me.

Even acknowledging that TLR forced the trade, it's Mo's fault he didn't get anything in return. Mo's speed dial only has four GM's on it (SD, Sea, Tor and Chw) he needs a bigger phonebook.

Philly is desperate for a centerfielder, Rasmus is a talent that is a multiple year reward so there is a lot out there he could have gotten, but instead he gets a nothing starter and a couple of relievers. The only plus is the ability to get rid of crappy lefties to try and ween TLR off of his fetishes of putting in worse relievers just because of their handedness.
   91. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3886721)
Does Dotel close in St Louis now?


No. Salas is much better right now.
   92. How Flounder got here, he hasn't a clue. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:10 PM (#3886724)
The thing is: The only reason the Cardinals "needed" to make this trade is because TLR decided that Rasmus wasn't his kind of player. And, dammit, there is no worse sin than that to TLR.
   93. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3886728)
Philly is desperate for a centerfielder

??? Victorino, and his 148 RC+, are off the DL. Do you mean LF?
   94. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3886731)
AA is a madman and I, for one, love it.
   95. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:16 PM (#3886733)
i put this in the other rasmus thread too, but another rumor:
beltran to sf for gary brown + 2 more dudes
   96. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#3886745)
AA is a madman and I, for one, love it.

Greg K's facebook status, updated 20 miunutes ago "Anthopoulous you mad man!"

this is getting freaky
   97. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:27 PM (#3886748)
Wow, Greg. I'd suggest we meet for a beer next time you're in town, but I'm not sure we can exist in the same time and space. . .
   98. asdf1234 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3886758)
I can't wait to see how Mozeliak bungles the Pujols negotiations.
   99. Greg K Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:36 PM (#3886760)
I MAY be in Calgary August-ish 2012 for a wedding, if so I'd definitely be in Regina for a while (if I go out west I plan on spending as little time in Caglary as is humanly possible). So we can test out the laws of the universe then, if the Mayans haven't beat us to it.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:38 PM (#3886761)
??? Victorino, and his 148 RC+, are off the DL. Do you mean LF?


I meant outfielder I guess. Just going by what the Philly fans I've been talking to have been saying. Guess it's leftfield they need.

8. jdbkaput Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:33 PM (#3886758)
I can't wait to see how Mozeliak bungles the Pujols negotiations.


did you miss this last offseason? (actually that might have worked out to his advantage but considering that Mo hasn't shown one sign at understanding his job, there is very little to be hopeful for)
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