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Thursday, April 19, 2018

It’s not just ownership that’s keeping Jose Reyes a Met

It’s all good when your team is winning.

Jim Furtado Posted: April 19, 2018 at 06:25 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5656443)
From TFA:

Just go to players who were born the same year (1983) as Reyes and currently are in the minors or unemployed such as Stephen Drew (who says he is retired), Adam Lind, Miguel Montero and Brandon Moss.


FTR, I graduated high school in 1983.

#DFJose
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5656447)
such as Stephen Drew (who says he is retired),


But we don't believe him. Lying SOB.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5656476)
But we don't believe him. Lying SOB.
He's still holding out for a better contract for 2014.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5656478)
Third, Reyes opened last year 1-for-28 and has traditionally been a slow starter. From June 24 onward, he hit .298 with a .506 slugging percentage and .866 OPS in 285 plate appearances.

From the article. If the Mets think he's worth signing, 17 bad AB should not be the reason to DFA him.
   5. manchestermets Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5656484)
On the other hand, he had -0.6 bWAR last season, so I'm not sure "Look at his 2017 performance!" is the best reason not to DFA him. I have no idea who would replace him though, and whether they'd do any better.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5656494)
The one point that I think is correct is that he's going to play SS if Rosario misses time. I don't think they'll ever put Cabrera back there, Cechhini has mostly moved off the position and Guillorme isn't ready.
   7. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5656497)
I have no idea who would replace him though, and whether they'd do any better.


Luis Guillorme.
   8. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5656503)
On the other hand, he had -0.6 bWAR last season, so I'm not sure "Look at his 2017 performance!" is the best reason not to DFA him. I have no idea who would replace him though, and whether they'd do any better.

Fangraphs had him at 1.9 wins last year so it depends on how bad you think his defense was. Baseball reference essentially had him last year as Adam Dunn in the outfield bad, whereas fangraphs had him merely had solidly below average. I tend to think fangraphs is closer in that regard.
   9. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 19, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5656504)
Besides the lousy offense, his D, which was always overrated has really slipped. He can't handle SS anymore. The Mets do not have a backup. God forbid if Rosario gets hurt.
   10. RMc's Unenviable Situation Posted: April 19, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5656718)
I graduated high school in 1983.

I finished my first year in college in '83, ya whippersnapper! (But we're prolly the same age, as I skipped a grade and graduated HS at 17.)

Ladies and gentlemen, your born-in-1983 All-Stars:

1B: Joey Votto
2B: Dustin Perdroia
3B: Miguel Cabrera
SS: Jose Reyes
LF: Ryan Braun
CF: Jacoby Ellsbury
RF: Nick Markakis
C : Joe Mauer
DH: Hanley Ramirez
SP: Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Cole Hamels, Francisco Liriano
RP: Huston Street
   11. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 06:35 PM (#5656761)
I remember Jose being the first player in MLB that was younger than me. Yeesh.
   12. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: April 19, 2018 at 06:41 PM (#5656766)
I graduated high school in 1983.


Me too!

And who says that the MLB fanbase is old....
   13. JJ1986 Posted: April 19, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5656784)
Ladies and gentlemen, your born-in-1983 All-Stars:

I am really bad at estimating the ages of high school draftees/international signings. I would have guessed that Reyes, Cabrera, Mauer and Hanley were way older than guys like Votto end Ellsbury.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: April 19, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5656785)
Hmmmm ... the born in 19?? All-Stars are not so awesome

C: Carlos Ruiz
1B: Youkilis
2B: Juan Uribe
SS: Jason Bartlett
3B: Beltre (thank god!)
LF: David DeJesus
CF: Coco Crisp
RF: Jayson Werth
DH: Dunn/Willingham/Howard/Cuddyer/Cust (what a collection!)

Looks better from age 30 onwards than you might think given some of those names (Youk 17 WAR)

SP: Buehrle, Santana, Webb ... Garland, Guthrie, Bedard, Young, Cook, Wandy
RP: Rafael Soriano, Ziegler, Byunh-Hun Kim (the man hasn't pitched since 2007!), Affeldt

That 1983 team is winning the matchup easily.

The 19?? team is horrible (the bullpen has some depth):

C: Bob Melvin, Mark Bailey, Mark Parent, Mark Salas, anybody else named Mark
1B: Mattingly
2B: Spike Owen
SS: Greg Gagne
3B: Steve Buechele
LF: Dan Pasqua
CF: Vince Coleman (only other choice is 4-WAR Henry Cotto)
RF: Kruk
DH: Galarraga
Useless back-ups: Glenn Davis, Randy Milligan, Mike Aldrete

Would that be the worst defensive OF of all time?

SP: Jimmy Key, Belcher, Kevin Gross, Swift, Storm Davis, McCaskill
RP: Aguilera, Jeff Russell, Henneman, Garrelts, the pitching Steve Ontiveros



   15. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5656792)
1982 Squad:

C: Yadier Molina
1B: Adrian Gonzalez
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: JJ Hardy
3B: David Wright
LF: Andre Ethier
CF: Grady Sizemore
RF: Shin-Soo Choo
IF: Ian Kinsler
OF: Michael Bourne

SP: Jered Weaver
SP: Ervin Santana
SP: Ricky Nolasco
SP: JA Happ
SP: Dontrelle Willis
RP: Darren O'Day
RP: Carlos Marmol
RP: Sean Marshall
RP: Brian Wilson
CL: Francisco Rodriguez

Ian Kinsler has 55 bWAR? Would not have guessed that! Too bad he's only the 2nd best 2B of his birth year.
   16. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:04 AM (#5656941)
Sorry to be an a*****e but you do not graduate high school. Your school graduates you. You graduate FROM high school. Mine stressed proper grammer.
   17. Adam Starblind Posted: April 20, 2018 at 07:05 AM (#5656948)
I'm having trouble finding the place on bb-ref where you can rank active players by age. There are still at least two older than me (Bartolo and Ichiro). Wanna find out if that's it. Anyone know where they keep that?
   18. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: April 20, 2018 at 07:58 AM (#5656954)
   19. eric Posted: April 20, 2018 at 08:22 AM (#5656956)
C: Carlos Ruiz
1B: Youkilis
2B: Juan Uribe
SS: Jason Bartlett
3B: Beltre (thank god!)
LF: David DeJesus
CF: Coco Crisp
RF: Jayson Werth
DH: Dunn/Willingham/Howard/Cuddyer/Cust (what a collection!)


I perhaps won't get much sympathy from you geriatric folk, but I read this team and was thinking "geez, what a bunch of long-retired old farts, and guys who should retire! (And Beltre.)" Then I looked up the year and realized they're all younger than me. Sigh.

Gettin' old, kids (the one or two who might be reading this): it'll happen to you, too. Enjoy your youth while you can.
   20. Adam Starblind Posted: April 20, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5656959)
Thank you, Fernigal. And thank YOU, Fernando Rodney!!
   21. Greg K Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5656970)
Ladies and gentlemen, your born-in-1983 All-Stars:

1B: Joey Votto
2B: Dustin Perdroia
3B: Miguel Cabrera
SS: Jose Reyes
LF: Ryan Braun
CF: Jacoby Ellsbury
RF: Nick Markakis
C : Joe Mauer
DH: Hanley Ramirez
SP: Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Cole Hamels, Francisco Liriano
RP: Huston Street


Votto and I were born in the same year, in the same city. And I played a lot of first base. I'm sure there are ways in which we are dissimilar, though I'm struggling to come up with any.
   22. BDC Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5656980)
An interesting thing about my birth year (1959) all-stars is their demographics, and how they sort by position. Not many Latinos, but about half the best players are African-American, and they are all outfielders except for Tony Phillips, who played a lot of OF at that:

C Brian Harper
1B Greg Walker
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B Brook Jacoby
SS Jose Uribe
LF Tim Raines
CF Lloyd Moseby
RF Jesse Barfield
DH Harold Baines

SP Mike Morgan
SP Mike Moore
SP Bill Gullickson
SP Oil Can Boyd
RP Alejandro Peña

Phillips is the super-sub; George Bell is the pinch-hitter, Otis Nixon the pinch-runner, and then Kevin Bass and Milt Thompson are next off the bench (with Kevin McReynolds). I never realized that Bell, Barfield, and Moseby were born the same year (let alone the same year as I was).
   23. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5656982)
Another 1959er here. Raines is 24 hours older than I am. Moseby & McReynolds are fellow Arkansans.

All were rather better at baseball than me.
   24. flournoy Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5657014)
Sorry to be an a*****e but you do not graduate high school. Your school graduates you. You graduate FROM high school. Mine stressed proper grammer.


Less emphasis on spelling, though, I presume?
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5657016)
Sorry to be an a*****e but you do not graduate high school. Your school graduates you. You graduate FROM high school.
And your last sentence isn't even right. Based on your premise, you would have to be one of those people who said you "were graduated from" your school.
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5657017)
There are still at least two older than me (Bartolo and Ichiro).
I'm down to those two (anyone interested in a slightly used R.A. Dickey??). Fortunately, both of them will keep playing until they're 70.
   27. Stormy JE Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5657021)
I have no idea who would replace him though, and whether they'd do any better.
Last I looked, TJ Rivera was due to return by the All-Star Break.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:39 PM (#5657237)
Votto and I were born in the same year, in the same city. And I played a lot of first base. I'm sure there are ways in which we are dissimilar, though I'm struggling to come up with any.

You probably have a college degree while he does not (unless he's gained one in his spare time). So really, you've got a leg up.

BDC in #22: There was an interesting SABR paper linked here once. The authors tried to identify the "race" of post-war players (acknowledging how fraught that can be) to track trends among whites, blacks and Hispanics (and Latin Americans ... I don't recall whether they separated out US born Hispanics or not). They looked over time and position and one of the findings was that not long after the 50s or so, African-American position players were predominantly OFs.

They also looked at the rise of Latin American players. Per their results, the initial wave of Latin American players coincided with a drop in the proportion/number of white players while the latter waves coincided with a drop in the proportion/number of African-American players with the proportion of AA players falling a bit further after that.
   29. RMc's Unenviable Situation Posted: April 20, 2018 at 06:14 PM (#5657244)
Votto and I were born in the same year, in the same city. And I played a lot of first base. I'm sure there are ways in which we are dissimilar, though I'm struggling to come up with any.


Reds fans don't constantly blame you for their team losing. (Or do they?)
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: April 20, 2018 at 06:45 PM (#5657254)
Mets All-Time Leaders

Offensive WAR
1. David Wright 51.9
3. Jose Reyes 31.2

HITS
1. Wright 1777
2. Reyes 1491

AT-BATS
1. Wright 5996
3. Reyes 5229

RUNS
1. Wright 949
2. Reyes 855

DOUBLES
1. Wright 390
2. Reyes 260

EXTRA BASE HITS
1. Wright 658
2. Reyes 474

STOLEN BASES
1. Reyes 403
4. Wright 196

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