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Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Ivan Nova: “Bad luck”

Nova’s nine runs: Painless.

Ivan Nova lost a five-run lead tonight. He gave up seven two-out runs in the second inning, allowed a season-high nine runs overall, and was knocked around for his worst start of the season. Joe Girardi explained that Nova had “no fastball command, inconsistent slider, inconsistent curveball.” But to hear Nova tell the story, it was as if he were a part of a different game.

“Bad luck,” he said. “I had a bad day. It was a tough day for me. I threw a lot of good sliders, I threw some good curveballs, I broke two bats and they got base hits. It’s not a good day. … I felt really good and I threw strikes but I gave up 10 hits, nine runs. That’s part of the game. I just have to turn the page.”

The moment was a little too familiar, uncomfortably similar to Kennedy’s postgame interview in 2008 after he allowed nine hits through two innings and seemed to think it was no big deal. That moment stained Kennedy’s reputation the rest of his time with the Yankees.

“I had a bad day,” Nova said. “But I don’t feel that way. I felt really good in that (second) inning, too. I just got hit.”

Repoz Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:56 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Repoz Posted: August 01, 2012 at 07:48 AM (#4197834)
Bumped TomP...
   2. DKDC Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4197915)
His xFIP was 2.57 last night.

So if you believe that his LD % of 60% and HR/FB% of 33% were flukes, I guess he was unlucky.
   3. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4197921)
I didn't watch the game, but Nova gave up five XBH in five innings, and it's pretty unusual for pitchers to talk about bad luck after getting hit hard. Four of the runs came on a massive grand slam to left-center on a slider that sort of looped to the outside corner.

I don't think it makes sense to hold players terribly responsible for their immediate post-game comments, but after seeing Nova's comments, I was expecting a box score and highlight with a lot of bloops and bleeders.
   4. Repoz Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4197925)
Four of the runs came on a massive grand slam to left-center

But it hit off the top of the fence. THE TOP OF THE FENCE, SUZYN...AND WENT OVER!

Dem's da breaks.
   5. AROM Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4197932)
He can't even blame this one on Jeter. Tha captain was DHing last night.
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:29 AM (#4197935)
He can't even blame this one on Jeter. Tha captain was DHing last night.

Calm eyes don't work from the dugout, sir! Leadership can't be wielded while you sit on your ass, SIR!
   7. rconn23 Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4197948)
He's been getting hit hard all year, his ERA just hasn't mirrored that.

There is a pitcher whose name I just can't think of, that always used the "I felt good, I made my pitches" seemingly after every awful start where he clearly ... didn't make his pitches.
   8. mathesond Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4197992)
There is a pitcher whose name I just can't think of, that always used the "I felt good, I made my pitches"

Francisco Cordero, after most of his appearances this year?
   9. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4198058)
There is a pitcher whose name I just can't think of, that always used the "I felt good, I made my pitches" seemingly after every awful start where he clearly ... didn't make his pitches.

Jeff Weaver?

One of my favorite internet comments was from my NYYFans days. Jeff Weaver had had yet another bad start and, of course, all the Yankee announcers could talk about was how confounding the results were given that Weaver had "electric stuff." The commenter, whose name I don't recall, then said "Oh yeah? I've got electric stuff too...a microwave, a toaster, a blender..."
   10. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4198078)
That's baseball, John.
   11. rlc Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4198106)
but Nova gave up five XBH in five innings, and it's pretty unusual for pitchers to talk about bad luck after getting hit hard.


Nova came into the game leading MLB in XBH allowed, so maybe he doesn't equate that with being hit hard. Kind of humorous to hear a pitcher getting 7.4 runs of support per game invoke luck to explain a loss...
   12. rconn23 Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4198119)
Yes, I think it's Weaver, Melo. I know a lot of pitchers say that, but Weaver would seemingly do so every time he got blasted.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4198158)
I know a lot of pitchers say that, but Weaver would seemingly do so every time he got blasted.

It's important to pitch well enough that folks have forgotten what you said the last time you got blasted.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4198170)
Weaver was blasted pretty much all the time, on or off the mound.
   15. TomH Posted: August 01, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4198304)
The O's pitchers are having bad luck today
   16. DKDC Posted: August 01, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4198336)
Oriole hitters also went 0 for 15 with runners in RISP. They went 13 for 23 with runners not in RISP.
   17. vivaelpujols Posted: August 02, 2012 at 02:59 AM (#4198652)
There are many ways a pitcher can have bad luck, not all are because of bloop hits and groundballs.

Pitcher's don't control what the batter really does with the ball after it leaves his hand and line drives are mostly do to hitter variation rather than bad pitches. The real indicators are strikeouts and walks, because they take multiple pitches to achieve (it's much easier to luck into a popup than a strikeout).
   18. vivaelpujols Posted: August 02, 2012 at 03:00 AM (#4198653)
In fact, Nova admitted that he got hit hard. He's just smart enough to realize that's not neccesarily a reflection of how well he pitched.

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