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Saturday, January 25, 2014

Jack Morris addresses Hall of Fame snub

Worst Morris snub since Morris Ankrum didn’t win an Oscar for “Taza, Son of Cochise”!

On the day he officially returned to the Minnesota Twins broadcast team, Jack Morris answered a few questions about the Hall of Fame.

Not the Twins Hall of Fame, the one former teammate Chuck Knoblauch will enter this August. The one in Cooperstown, the one Morris failed to reach on Jan. 8 in his 15th and final appearance on the ballot of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America.

“I’m relieved,” Morris said. “I’m glad. I’m tired of getting scrutinized by writers.”

Morris’ vote percentage actually dropped — from 67.7 percent to 61.5 percent — in his final year on the writers’ ballot. Despite 254 career victories and a strong postseason record, the workhorse right-hander fell 78 votes shy in 2014 after coming within 42 votes of induction one year earlier.

“Fifteen years ought to be long enough for anybody, you know?” Morris said. “If it’s not going to happen in 15 years, it’s not going to happen.”

...“Over the last several years I’ve had a lot of support from hall of famers,” Morris said. “It’s another process. It’s nothing I can control. It’s nice to know your colleagues think highly of you, but we’ll have to just wait and see. I think Jim Kaat and Tony Oliva are hall of famers, and they’re still waiting for that call themselves.”

Asked whether he is encouraged by the recent overhaul of the veterans’ process, which seems to have broken a logjam of sorts for those overlooked by the baseball writers, Morris pointed out nothing is guaranteed.

“I think it has a lot to do with who’s eligible in that particular year,” Morris said. “Timing is huge in this crazy game. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s certainly going to be a lot of worthy candidates as we go forward.”

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   1.   Posted: January 25, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4646239)
Pretty good comments. He was surprisingly not horrible as a Jays announcer last season.
   2. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 25, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4646251)
I heard Morris a bunch of times during Rays-Jays games and thought he was pretty solid as an announcer.
   3. Rob_Wood Posted: January 25, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4646254)
Very well said by Morris. In some sense he was given tons of consideration, which is all anyone can ask for. And it was nice he mentioned other Minnesota "snubs" Oliva and Kaat. Of course, there are tons of players who are just outside the Hall of Fame.
   4. LargeBill Posted: January 25, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4646256)
When Whitaker, Lofton, & Belle etc, etc, etc falls off the ballot with little or no consideration of their career that is a snub. When Jack Morris stays on the ballot for 15 years and gets a lot more consideration than his career merited that is no snub.
   5. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 25, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4646257)
Morris didn't always chose his words particularly well over the last few years of his HOF eligibility, but these comments are very classy. Good for him.
   6. AROM Posted: January 25, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4646263)
"Morris didn't always chose his words particularly well over the last few years of his HOF eligibility, but these comments are very classy. Good for him."

Agreed. As for Morris's own words, he's usually been pretty reasonable. It's the caricatures that some writers make of him that comes off otherwise.
   7. G.W.O. Posted: January 25, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4646289)
Sensible words from Jack. I always felt a bit sorry for him Morris that he became the lightning rod for this particularly unedifying trip through the Culture Wars - and the only thing he did to deserve it was be an excellent baseball player for a substantial amount of time.
   8. hardrain Posted: January 25, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4646296)
What #7 said was perfect. He had a superb career, just shy of the HOF.
   9. bob gee Posted: January 25, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4646363)
classy. very classy.

there's nothing wrong with his career - 200+ people in the hall of fame, 18000 or so in the history of baseball? if he's top in the 600 or so in the history of baseball, that's still an amazing career.

   10. Morty Causa Posted: January 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4646372)
and the only thing he did to deserve it was be an excellent baseball player for a substantial amount of time.

It isn't the only thing he did. His reach exceeded his grasp. He wanted commemoration in the Heavens. Maybe, however, someday he can be like the moth in Thurber's fable.

The Moth and the Star.
   11. Greg K Posted: January 26, 2014 at 01:58 AM (#4646395)
That's certainly a better moth fable than John Locke's one about the moth addicted to heroin.
   12. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 26, 2014 at 02:47 AM (#4646399)
I heard Morris a bunch of times during Rays-Jays games and thought he was pretty solid as an announcer.


I thought he was a great announcer. Morris clearly knows a ton about pitching, and he had a lot of interesting stuff to say during the broadcasts I watched. Hopefully he'll have an excellent career as an announcer as well.
   13. G.W.O. Posted: January 26, 2014 at 06:33 AM (#4646410)
######## comments like #10 are exactly why I have sympathy for Morris. The idea that Morris should "know his place", as handed down to him by his intellectual betters. Horrible, smug, vile, condescending ########, and sadly, one of BBTF's strongest tropes.

A man's reach *should* exceed his grasp (or what's a Heaven for?)
   14. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 26, 2014 at 08:53 AM (#4646414)
While I was not a proponent of Morris for the HOF, the thing that always bugged me about the endless debates here at BBTF was that it felt like either he is a "Hall of Famer" or "not a very good pitcher". I'm 40 years old, born in 1974, and the golden years for me as a kid falling in love with baseball were between 1981 and about 1990 - basically, a child of the '80s.

It is hard to write the story of the 1980s in baseball, from the perspective of one who fell in love with baseball through Baseball Digest, and TWIB, and Monday Night Baseball, and trading Donruss, Fleer and Topps 1982 baseball cards, and not have Jack Morris somewhere meaningfully in that story.

He's an important figure in baseball history, one of the few guys between the Ryan/Seaver/Jenkins/Perry/Blyleven/etc generation and the Clemens/Maddux/Glavine.etc. generation to actually be able to pitch the whole bridge era. There was always a better pitcher at a given moment. Sometimes, it was an old horse sticking around, (like Steve Carlton), a shooting star (like Fernando, Gooden, or Stieb, unable to pitch well for a HOF-length career), or a young gun (Clemens or Glavine). But Morris was able to survive when others could not. Not a HOF, but a heck of a pitcher.
   15. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 26, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4646422)
SBPT: Sure. Mark Buehrle is/was a hell of a pitcher. Not a Hall of Fame pitcher, but a good one for a long time.
   16. Morty Causa Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4646425)
And that was noted here tons of times. When you judge someone or compare someone, the impression is bound to follow in some people's minds, especially those that didn't follow the arguments, that X is not good rather than that X is not good enough. They can't grasp the idea that arguing that someone is not a saint doesn't mean that he's being accused of being a sinner. It's pretty much unavoidable that some will get this impression that a player in this situation is being dissed, mostly because they want to. But, that's really lowballing an argumentative position, though. Most who thought Morris wasn't a HOF-er were careful to not deny that he was a good pitcher. It gets tiresome to begin every argument with that caveat--and useless, because these people will believe no matter what that the objections made are more than relative and comparative. It feels all so good to pretend you're sensitive and others aren't.
   17. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: January 26, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4646467)
They can't grasp the idea that arguing that someone is not a saint doesn't mean that he's being accused of being a sinner.


I'm pretty sure that official doctrine is that we're all sinners.
   18. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 26, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4646474)
When Whitaker, Lofton, & Belle etc, etc, etc falls off the ballot with little or no consideration of their career that is a snub.


I, for one, am tired of guys like Whitaker, Lofton, Belle, and Chris Truby not getting their deserved full consideration for the HOF.
   19. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 26, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4646482)
I'm pretty sure that official doctrine is that we're all sinners.


Jeremiah said the heart of man is "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked", and anyone who's ever operated a motor vehicle for any length of time is forced to concede the point.
   20. ThickieDon Posted: January 26, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4646525)
Worst pitcher of both the 80s and 90s.

Third worst of 70s.
   21. Morty Causa Posted: January 26, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4646527)
I'm pretty sure that official doctrine is that we're all sinners.

It isn't my official doctrine. But, given that, then we all want medals, too. And to get all Chief Wiggumy, Marge, what are the odds of that happening?
   22. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 26, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4646537)
Rev. Lovejoy on God's punishment:
"Short answer yes with an if, long answer no with a but."

This also applies to BBWAA Hall of Fame voting.
   23. EddieA Posted: January 26, 2014 at 06:11 PM (#4646542)
Expanding the official doctrine, nobody can earn a place in the Hall of Fame, it's a gift.
   24. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: January 26, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4646547)
the Twins Hall of Fame

In a logical universe, there would be a Detroit Baseball Hall of Fame (with a statue of Turkey Stearns out front) at Michigan and Trumbull, along with a modest ballpark, with a capacity of a few thousand, to be used exclusively for amateur baseball. And Jack Morris would be this year's inductee.

Sigh.
   25. Morty Causa Posted: January 26, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4646560)
Yeah, Morris is like the guy who is rejected by the babe: it's not you, it's me, she says. That makes everything all okay, right? But, there's no way he won't feel bad, and there's no way to make him feel good. That's the way it is when you want something you can't have.

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