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Friday, January 31, 2014

Jack Morris talks about what he sees as Twins’ biggest issues this season & the HOF

Jack Morris: “Your pitcher is the guy that can lead the charge and have to shut down other team, ironically talk to Paul Molitor who’s going to be on the bench with Ron Gardenhire this year and Paul and I played together in ‘93 asked about his role, biggest role is to keep guys positive, young guys tend to start thinking too much and negative thoughts especially when they don’t have success and we know baseball is a marathon and not a sprint so he thinks challenge for him to reinforce positive thoughts.”

I know it’s fresh, the Hall of Fame ballot your thoughts not being on the ballot and not getting enough votes, what is your reaction?

“It is what it is, I’m grateful honored majority of writers in my corner, sometimes that’s forgotten, Jack Morris didn’t make the Hall, isn’t he mad? I got 2/3 of the vote, I would have won every presidential candidacy for the last 100 years, but not so in baseball, proud of what I did, doesn’t define my career in any way shape or form proud of it, got 4 rings and all sorts of bragging rights and can tell stories till the batteries run out in the camera right now.”

Thanks to Pete.

Repoz Posted: January 31, 2014 at 07:29 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4649215)
“It is what it is, I’m grateful honored majority of writers in my corner, sometimes that’s forgotten, Jack Morris didn’t make the Hall, isn’t he mad? I got 2/3 of the vote, I would have won every presidential candidacy for the last 100 years, but not so in baseball, proud of what I did, doesn’t define my career in any way shape or form proud of it, got 4 rings and all sorts of bragging rights and can tell stories till the batteries run out in the camera right now.”
He forms sentences just well enough to win.
   2. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: January 31, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4649229)
I don't know how any normal person continues to derive so much enjoyment from beating this dead horse.
   3. Greg K Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4649243)
I didn't realize Molitor had been brought onto the Twins coaching staff. What's he been up to the last little while?

Interesting that both Molitor and Morris are hometown Minneapolis guys (or St. Paulians?) who both played for the Twins, but were only team-mates in Toronto. I may be using "interesting" incorrectly here.

EDIT: Morris is just two years older, perhaps they faced each other at some point in their high school or little league careers?
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4649248)

Interesting that both Molitor and Morris are hometown Minneapolis guys (or St. Paulians?) who both played for the Twins, but were only team-mates in Toronto. I may be using "interesting" incorrectly here.


Sadly, fellow St. Paulie boy Winfield was gone by the time they got together in Toronto, but Dave did play with Jack for one season there (as well as one in the Twin Cities).

   5. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4649249)
Maybe if some people would stop interviewing the poor horse, then other people would stop beating it?
   6. BDC Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4649250)
So what is the Twins' biggest issue this season? How fast to bring up Byron Buxton?
   7. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4649257)
Sadly, fellow St. Paulie boy Winfield was gone by the time they got together in Toronto, but Dave did play with Jack for one season there (as well as one in the Twin Cities).


They missed each other by a couple of years at UM as well.
   8. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4649271)
So what is the Twins' biggest issue this season? How fast to bring up Byron Buxton?


June 2015 is the pretty obvious answer here, unless he gets hurt or plays so out of his mind he forces their hand.

You're right, though, the Twins don't really have any major "issues" this season. They're going to lose 90-95 games and there's not even really anything very interesting about them right now.
   9. Perry Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4649280)
Sounds like he never did quite kick the amphetamines.
   10. Wins Above Paul Westerberg Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4649290)
They missed each other by a couple of years at UM as well.

Molitor did get to play on the Twins with fellow Golden Gopher Terry Steinbach, though, again, they weren't in college at the same time. Minnesota loves its native sons. Still does.
   11. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4649301)
He forms sentences just well enough to win.


The problem is he uses too many sentences per paragraph, unless he's just taking advantage of the generous margins.
   12. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4649304)
Molitor did get to play on the Twins with fellow Golden Gopher Terry Steinbach, though, again, they weren't in college at the same time. Minnesota loves its native sons. Still does.


Minnesota natives who played for the Twins:

Morris
Molitor
Winfield
Steinbach
Mauer
Hrbek
Jim Eisenreich
Jerry Koosman
Dave Goltz
Tom Burgmeier

That's 6 of the top 7 native born Minnesotans in career PA, including the top 4 (soon to be 5). The lone exception is Roger Maris, who was really a ND guy. Born in Hibbing, raised in Fargo. The remaining 3 in the top 10 pre-date the franchise.

4 of the top 10 pitchers in career IP including the top 2. 3 of the others pre-date the franchise, the other three were born in MN but raised elsewhere.

That's pretty remarkable. Every player who was born and raised in MN, played during the time they had a franchise, and had a significant career (3500 PA or 1000 IP), played for the Twins at one time.
   13. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 31, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4649312)
That's pretty remarkable. Every player who was born and raised in MN, played during the time they had a franchise, and had a significant career (3500 PA or 1000 IP), played for the Twins at one time.

That's kind of awesome. I expect no other franchise/state comes close.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4649319)
Am I off the ranch to observe that it seems like the "I'm proud of my hometown/home state" ethic bears a close inverse relationship to average temperature? You don't seem to get it much from Californians or Floridians or Arizonans, but you see it a lot from New Yorkers, New Englanders, Minnesotans, Wisconsans and so forth (to say nothing of Canadians). Likely because in an age where relocating is relatively easy and cheap and good jobs are easier to find in warmer climates if anything, sentimental attachment to your childhood home is the only reason any adult would choose to live in a cold, snowy climate.

Very notable exception: Texas.
   15. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4649323)
That's pretty remarkable. Every player who was born and raised in MN, played during the time they had a franchise, and had a significant career (3500 PA or 1000 IP), played for the Twins at one time.


And there is a whole bunch of Hall of Fame love there. Some real solid quality players. And yes Minnesotans love the hometown heroes.
   16. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4649333)
That's kind of awesome. I expect no other franchise/state comes close.


Well, picking another state with a comparable number of native players and a franchise, Washington. The top 2 Washingtonians are long time Cubs. #3 is Olerud who did play for the Mariners. the rest of the top 10:

#4 - no
#5-7 - N/A
#8-10 - no

Pitchers:

6 eligible, non played.

So, 1 out of 11. Only John Olerud, though a couple are still active and may get there sometime.

Michigan does a little better, with 5 of the top 10 eligible hitters, all of them long time Tigers, and 5 of the top 10 pitchers.

   17. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4649342)
Michigan does a little better, with 5 of the top 10 eligible hitters, all of them long time Tigers, and 5 of the top 10 pitchers.


That's mostly back more than 50 years ago, right? It used to be a lot more common for players to play for the team geographically closest to where they grew up. Now there's almost no correlation at all, which makes the list of notable Minnesotan baseball players who played for the Twins (comprised mostly of players from the free agency era) so impressive.
   18. DL from MN Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4649343)
Minnesotans do get pretty excited when someone succeeds in a sport that isn't hockey. We just expect it in hockey.
   19. AROM Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4649344)
Likely because in an age where relocating is relatively easy and cheap and good jobs are easier to find in warmer climates if anything, sentimental attachment to your childhood home is the only reason any adult would choose to live in a cold, snowy climate.


I think that's it. People get old and move to Florida, there hasn't been an actual birth there since 1890-something*

*Or so I heard while driving around Vice City and listening to talk radio.
   20. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4649349)
That's mostly back more than 50 years ago, right?


Yes. Gehringer, Freehan, Northrup, Newhouser... I give them credit for Smoltz, because they drafted him. They got Tanana through free agency, and lost Gibson the same way.

And Jeter doesn't count against them because he was born in NJ, but he really should be.
   21. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4649351)
People get old and move to Florida, there hasn't been an actual birth there since 1890-something*


Most of the adults I am close to here are from somewhere else, usually way up north (Chicago, NY, Pittsburgh, Canada, Jacksonville). But all their kids were born here.
   22. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4649353)
Am I off the ranch to observe that it seems like the "I'm proud of my hometown/home state" ethic bears a close inverse relationship to average temperature? You don't seem to get it much from Californians or Floridians or Arizonans, but you see it a lot from New Yorkers, New Englanders, Minnesotans, Wisconsans and so forth (to say nothing of Canadians). Likely because in an age where relocating is relatively easy and cheap and good jobs are easier to find in warmer climates if anything, sentimental attachment to your childhood home is the only reason any adult would choose to live in a cold, snowy climate.


My experience does not align with this. Growing up in California everyone knew that California was the greatest state in the nation, so we did not worry about it. And Texans are the worst in the nation regarding state pride. MN natives seem to be very excited about other natives, but are also kind of insecure about their state.

I moved to MN for the people and the quality of life. Growing up in CA it was obvious it would be a long time before I could afford something do exotic as a house in the county I worked in, so while I miss the weather I have never been tempted to go back. I love the parks here in the Twin Cities and there are many other amenities, but yeah the weather really does basically suck for a huge portion of the year.
   23. Cabbage Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4649364)
Likely because in an age where relocating is relatively easy and cheap and good jobs are easier to find in warmer climates if anything, sentimental attachment to your childhood home is the only reason any adult would choose to live in a cold, snowy climate.


Everyone is proud of where they're from except Floridians, because even they realize there is no actual culture in Florida.

Plenty of warm climates generate that sense of pride: SoCal, the Old South, etc.
   24. morineko Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4649369)
#12: And that's just the all-time great Minnesotans. You're missing Glen Perkins, Caleb Thielbar, and Cole De Vries, and that is just on the 2013 roster. Maybe they should try signing some guys from out of the state.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: January 31, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4649374)
As it relates to baseball (or any other sport, in all likelihood), the fewer native sons an area produces who make it to the highest level, the more likely that city/state will celebrate them and want to see them employed the hometown team.

A Minnesota baseball fan, for example, is more likely to know about Joe Mauer than a fan from Tampa is going to know about another top prospect from the state, because Joe Mauers don't come around all that often up there. Likewise, it would be kind of impractical for the Dodgers to make efforts to sign every native born Californian in the big leagues.

   26. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4649391)
because Joe Mauers don't come around all that often up there.


They don't come around that often anywhere. Anyway, funny you mentioned Tampa, because 6 of the top 7 Floridians played for either Miami or Tampa bay, the exception being Chipper Jones, who hails from Jacksonville which is really southern Georgia.

On the pitching front, most of the top pitchers pre-date the Florida franchises. Of those that don't:

Wakefield - No
Hampton - no, but the Marlins did pay a chunk of his salary
Flash Gordon - no
Alex Fernandez - yes
   27. Greg K Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4649424)
Canada is likely the exception here. Is Brett Lawrie the best Canadian to ever play for the Jays? He could still go on to have a fairly good career, but taken today there's quite a few better Canadians ahead of him on that list.
   28. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4649430)
Your pitcher is the guy that can lead the charge and have to shut down other team

Or maybe to just allow 4.27 R/9.
   29. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4649434)
Am I off the ranch to observe that it seems like the "I'm proud of my hometown/home state" ethic bears a close inverse relationship to average temperature?

The rebel flag is flown by northerners.
   30. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: January 31, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4649436)
Canada is likely the exception here. Is Brett Lawrie the best Canadian to ever play for the Jays? He could still go on to have a fairly good career, but taken today there's quite a few better Canadians ahead of him on that list.


Well, Larry Walker and Matt Stairs (the top 2 Canadians in PA), both played for the Expos.
   31. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4649447)
Canada is likely the exception here. Is Brett Lawrie the best Canadian to ever play for the Jays?


You could arguably have Matt Stairs or Paul Quantrill above Lawrie.
   32. zonk Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4649467)
Am I off the ranch to observe that it seems like the "I'm proud of my hometown/home state" ethic bears a close inverse relationship to average temperature? You don't seem to get it much from Californians or Floridians or Arizonans, but you see it a lot from New Yorkers, New Englanders, Minnesotans, Wisconsans and so forth (to say nothing of Canadians). Likely because in an age where relocating is relatively easy and cheap and good jobs are easier to find in warmer climates if anything, sentimental attachment to your childhood home is the only reason any adult would choose to live in a cold, snowy climate.

Very notable exception: Texas.


My experience aligns with this --

I was born in Indiana, certainly have fond memories of it, as well as a pretty big chunk of family still there... Yet - beyond owning 'hoosier', I never did and still don't get the sense there's a whole lot of 'state pride' per se. Even my family and friends still there issue only backhanded compliments. You get a bit of the basketball fever, but even that seems more like a memory than something happening now.

I've now been in Illinois for about 20 years - the pride factor seems a bit higher, but not much... However, you go north to Wisconsin - yeah, it's definitely there and even more so up north in Minnesota. I've got friends from multiple states - and to a person, it's the Wisconsinites that are rah-rah home state, as well as the Minnesotans.

The exception would be Chicago proper -- the people I know born and raised here hold it dear.
   33. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 31, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4649470)
You could arguably have Matt Stairs or Paul Quantrill above Lawrie.


I don't think that comes close to being arguable, Quantrill and Stairs whip Lawrie right now for best Canadian Jays player unless you're looking at it purely for peak ability or performance while actually playing for Toronto. Lawrie has less than two seasons of games with offense only a bit above league average (buoyed largely by 171 PAs of fantastic performance in his initial call-up, something he has shown no ability to repeat since then) and a good WAR total that's largely thanks to huge defensive numbers that we should by very skeptical of (seriously, 14 runs above average in just 43 games in his debut season? Highly unlikely). Quantrill and Stairs were good players for a long time, Lawrie needs more years in the majors before he enters that argument.

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