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1. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM (#3884199)I was excited, my dad was too, but also a little disappointed that the game wasn't ending and he still had a drive ahead of him that he really didn't want to make.
It's only in retrospect that I see how interesting Davey Johnson was as a manager.
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Just checked the box score.... My memory failed me. That must have been a different year.
that was this game. And he only switched once--played RF with a RH batter, then switched to left when Jason Thompson came up. Davey didn't want to put Staub in harm's way out there
If they were switching off at an infield position, it wouldn't be too bad, but geez, aren't the games slow enough already?
At least wait until La Russa is safely retired.
Absolutely. I would love to see a platoon combine for a complete game. I suppose, to make it work, you would need two Brooks Kieschnicks of opposite handedness.
1) You play til there's a winner.
2) In 2008 (I think) J.D. Drew was fully prepared to take the mound.
I don't think there's any reason except to cut down on managerial shenanigans. As PreservedFish says, you'd need two guys who could plausibly hit and field another position to make it work for any length of time, but I don't see why for an inning or two, while you were avoiding the pitcher's spot in the batting order, you couldn't employ it as a risky venture with potential payoff. It might even save time; I wouldn't envision giving the pitchers warm-up tosses each time they switched out, just have them sprint between positions.
It's certainly no more a mockery of the game than the current parade of relievers. Cripes sake, the other night I watched Octavio Dotel leave a 10-run game after throwing a 4-pitch perfect inning. Why did I need to see the next reliever get warmup tosses at that point in the evening?
Totally agree. I actually didn't know you couldn't do it anymore. I remember watching a game on WGN once where Don Zimmer did it and I'm telling you, my ten year old mind was BLOWN.
NY Times story
According to the story Roger McDowell was the one that recommended it. Pretty cool.
I have no idea why I would have been watching an early April game between the Braves and Pirates. Maybe he did this more than once?
In the first game you posted, when McDowell went to second base, Dean Chance came in to face Howard - and intentionally walked him. Why couldn't McDowell have done that?
that was this game. And he only switched once--played RF with a RH batter, then switched to left when Jason Thompson came up.
That's incorrect-- or rather, the BB-Ref boxscore is tragically incomplete. Rusty Staub played defense for seven innings, and switched positions several times. He made a gave-saving catch in the top of the 18th.
You do realize Bud Selig is the commissioner of baseball?
I happened to be at that game,and they came out smelling like a rose. What happened was, Chance DID pitch to Howard at first, but after the count went to 2-0, they decided to walk him. Then, Reichard hit a one-hopper to 3rd, and even though Leon had plenty of time to go to first, he decided to go the short way to McDowell at 2nd, who wasn't expecting it (but, to his credit, he was covering), and he made an awkward catch and the side was retired
now that you mention it--you're right--I remember Staub trotting (very non-gracefully) between LF and RF several times in that game
between left and right depending on batter handedness. It is not clear if they did it for every batter, so the change will only be listed once here, but it apparently happened several times"
That's the big chance you take and with today's media and the CYA attitude of many managers, its hard to see it happening today if they hadn't changed the rule. The first time a pitcher in rightfield drops a routine fly ball, the media will call you an idiot unless you're a TLR or someone of that stature.
Besides the Staub and Hurdle game, the Jose Oquendo pitching game of 1988 (Braves @ Cardinals) featured two alternating Cardinals corner outfielders, one of them a pitcher, in extra-inning madness. I believe Whitey Herzog was using platoon matchups to protect "outfielder" Jose DeLeon. After seemingly every Braves AB, there was a longish delay as DeLeon and Tom Brunansky trudged across center field, crossing paths to take their new positions.
Retrosheet box score via B-R
and after all that, it ended up not working because, according to the box score, Griffey Sr. hit a double to left field (where DeLeon was playing) to score 2 runs
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