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Jake Arrieta upset with Bryce Harper for ejection, sounds off on ‘flat’ Phillies

NEW YORK — Jake Arrieta slammed the shelf above his locker at Citi Field, still peeved moments after speaking with reporters.

Arrieta pitched relatively well in the Phillies’ 5-1 loss to the Mets (see observations). The source of his anger was an untimely ejection of the Phillies’ best player, Bryce Harper, in the top of the fourth inning, combined with an overall “flat” performance from the Phillies’ offense.

The 33-year-old former Cy Young winner didn’t mince words. He didn’t rush to defend Harper or belabor the quick hook of home plate umpire Mark Carlson, who tossed Harper for arguing balls and strikes in the Phillies’ dugout.

 

 

QLE Posted: April 23, 2019 at 04:16 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bryce harper, jake arrieta, phillies

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   1. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 08:50 AM (#5834352)
Arrieta throwing his teammates under the bus in April. Cool.
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 23, 2019 at 08:56 AM (#5834354)
I don't understand how you can simultaneously criticize your team for being "flat" and also attack a guy who was chirping at the umpire. Harper may have been in the wrong, and he admitted as much later, but he sure wasn't "flat."
   3. Padraic Posted: April 23, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5834356)
I mean, normally, he can at least wait until June.
   4. Zonk is Back Where He Came From Posted: April 23, 2019 at 08:58 AM (#5834357)
I suspect Jake has a great choke hold....
   5. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5834361)
It would have been fantastic if Arrieta got tossed during the Alonso AB where he was chirping at the ump too. He is such a red ass.
   6. Brian C Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5834375)
But, Arrieta's actually ... right. He didn't say anything that Harper didn't also say about himself afterwards.

Harper needs to grow up and learn to keep his spurs from jingling and jangling. I mean, how hard can it be to play with emotion and exuberance while also managing enough self-control to avoid lapping the field in ejections? Seems like it shouldn't be that hard. He's getting too old for the brash young kid act.
   7. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5834376)
But, Arrieta's actually ... right.


Arrieta was right. My point is that he was lucky that he himself didn't get tossed when he was arguing with the ump during the Alonso AB and what would he have said then? He's sanctimonious even if he is right.

EDIT: He was NOT right about the Phillies "playing flat". They just got beat. It happens.
   8. The Duke Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:48 AM (#5834378)
Most guys harpers age are just breaking in - he’s still young but he should know better than to get thrown out. I like the passion. It’s a good sign after signing a big contract.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5834382)
Yeah, I like it. Glad that he's fired up.
   10. Zonk is Back Where He Came From Posted: April 23, 2019 at 09:57 AM (#5834387)
He's got a fine slash line -- but just noticed 29 Ks in 100 PAs?
   11. Lassus Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5834396)
This is shaping up to be quite the year in the NL East. Yeah, yeah, it's early, but even so.
   12. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5834399)
He's getting too old for the brash young kid act.


It worked for Leo Durocher, John McGraw and Billy Martin into their late-50s.
   13. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5834401)
This is shaping up to be quite the year in the NL East. Yeah, yeah, it's early, but even so.


Agreed. Think 1973 with better winning pct.s
   14. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5834408)
How does his defense look? His dWAR is pretty bad so far (small sample size alert). Nowhere as bad as last year.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5834411)
But, Arrieta's actually ... right.
Well, if you want to go down that path, Harper was the one who was actually "right" to begin with - the pitches he was complaining about were in fact blown calls.
   16. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5834417)
Miguel Montero was unavailable for comment.
   17. Brian C Posted: April 23, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5834419)
Well, if you want to go down that path, Harper was the one who was actually "right" to begin with - the pitches he was complaining about were in fact blown calls.

Big effing deal.
   18. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5834445)
I mean, how hard can it be to play with emotion and exuberance while also managing enough self-control to avoid lapping the field in ejections? Seems like it shouldn't be that hard.


I'm not Harper's biggest fan, but sometimes you have to accept a guy's flaws in order to get at his merits. This was true of Bob Gibson throwing at people, Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle staying out all night, Albert Belle being a sonofabitch to every person he ever met, Reggie Jackson showing off, Derek Jeter staying on shortstop, Rickey's various eccentricities, Manny being Manny, Roger Clemens' bizarre temper lapses, Mark McGwire being a grumpy depressive, and so on. If this is how Harper stays in a mindset to be competitive, I think there comes a time when you just have to accept that this is who he is.

Baseball's long history of hotheads and redasses attests to the fact that you don't have to grow up to be competitive, and sometimes you take the occasional ejection in order to keep a guy's fires stoked. You can ask Lou Piniella about that.
   19. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 23, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5834446)
I have nothing to contribute to this other than now that Arrieta isn't a Cub, my only thought when watching him pitch is that I should eat more (or some) kale and do more (or some) pilates.
   20. Itchy Row Posted: April 23, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5834452)
I'm pretty sure I had a Mad Libs book with "Jake Arrieta upset with ________ for ______, sounds off on ______" in it.
   21. bfan Posted: April 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5834455)
Baseball is such a long season, and how you get fired up for a game in cold weather (heck, in any weather) in New York in April is beyond me. If you are the Phillies, do you get really fired up for the Mets? for the Nationals? for the Braves? For all of them, in which case you let down for the Marlins?
   22. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5834460)
Harper probably very nicely asked the ump a clown question.
   23. Brian C Posted: April 23, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5834479)
I'm not Harper's biggest fan, but sometimes you have to accept a guy's flaws in order to get at his merits. This was true of Bob Gibson throwing at people, Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle staying out all night, Albert Belle being a sonofabitch to every person he ever met, Reggie Jackson showing off, Derek Jeter staying on shortstop, Rickey's various eccentricities, Manny being Manny, Roger Clemens' bizarre temper lapses, Mark McGwire being a grumpy depressive, and so on. If this is how Harper stays in a mindset to be competitive, I think there comes a time when you just have to accept that this is who he is.

Well, "accept" can mean different things. I'm not suggesting that he's more trouble than he's worth and the Phillies should cut him, so I agree in that sense that the Phillies need to accept it. I'm just saying that a teammate calling him out maybe seems fair.

But in the bigger picture, this is basically the kind of thing I was trying to push back against. I don't expect baseball players to be super friendly and easygoing people all the time. But a-holes come in all walks of life and there's no reason to think that being an a-hole is somehow a vital part of being a successful athlete. It seems more likely that a lot of these guys were a-holes (to the extent they actually were - some of these examples are better than others) because so many people were so quick to make excuses for them. At the very least, plenty of great players were successful without making a spectacle of being a-holes, so if someone has to make a spectacle of being an a-hole in order to be successful, they're still a-holes and there's no need to romanticize it as anything else.

In Harper's specific case, I can only say that no matter how big of a redass a player is, "don't get ejected in a close game" doesn't seem like a huge ask.
   24. spycake Posted: April 23, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5834480)
Well, if you want to go down that path, Harper was the one who was actually "right" to begin with - the pitches he was complaining about were in fact blown calls.


Were they?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/bryce-harper-ejected-robot-umps-do-it-mlb

"Pitches 4 and 5 were both called strikes. Both appear, pretty clearly, to be touching the box. The strike-two call against Cesar Hernandez that ultimately led to Harper’s ejection was a bit more suspect, but still not really egregious."
   25. bunyon Posted: April 23, 2019 at 02:07 PM (#5834503)
I mean, how hard can it be to play with emotion and exuberance while also managing enough self-control to avoid lapping the field in ejections? Seems like it shouldn't be that hard.

It's incredibly hard.

   26. Padraic Posted: April 23, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5834524)

In Harper's specific case, I can only say that no matter how big of a redass a player is, "don't get ejected in a close game" doesn't seem like a huge ask.


Dude, you're missing the point. Even if Arrieta is "right" in some true epistemological sense, it doesn't justify saying it publicly. That's why Arrieta's a dick - a professional just has a conversation with a fellow professional.
   27. Lassus Posted: April 23, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5834534)
Were they?

Robot umps are totally going to fuck up everyone's shit when they realize they still will be complaining as much as ever.
   28. Zonk is Back Where He Came From Posted: April 23, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5834536)
Robot umps are totally going to #### up everyone's #### when they realize they still will be complaining as much as ever.


Yeah, but it will be fun when little R2D2's emit a mild electrical shock in response.... so we've got that to look forward to.
   29. BillWallace Posted: April 23, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5834540)
Do you want 700 boring af Jeters? Because this is how you get 700 boring af Jeters.

I think there comes a time when you just have to accept that this is who he is.


I choose not just to accept it, but to enjoy it!
   30. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 23, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5834548)

Dude, you're missing the point. Even if Arrieta is "right" in some true epistemological sense, it doesn't justify saying it publicly. That's why Arrieta's a dick - a professional just has a conversation with a fellow professional.


This.

Especially when you take into account how Arrieta threw the whole organization under the bus last year for being "bad at shifting" because he gave up a bunch of hits in a row in June (see above post 3). He could have easily been ejected from last night's game. He wasn't, but if you already see that the ump has an itchy trigger finger, and continue to gripe about balls and strikes from the mound, you could get tossed too which would put the team in an even worse position for this 3 game series than losing the RF for a few innings. He's a sore loser which, ok fine some people find that charming, but I don't like him.
   31. KronicFatigue Posted: April 23, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5834580)
Baseball is such a long season, and how you get fired up for a game in cold weather (heck, in any weather) in New York in April is beyond me. If you are the Phillies, do you get really fired up for the Mets? for the Nationals? for the Braves? For all of them, in which case you let down for the Marlins?


Cold WET weather for a game that started over 90 minutes late. I was there and miserable-ish b/c of the weather. I've always had a soft spot for the opposite type of player...the guy who just thinks of it as a job and isn't into the ra-ra aspect of sports.
   32. Brian C Posted: April 23, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5834587)
Dude, you're missing the point. Even if Arrieta is "right" in some true epistemological sense, it doesn't justify saying it publicly. That's why Arrieta's a dick - a professional just has a conversation with a fellow professional.

I'm not missing any point, I just don't care about whether or not Arrieta's causing waves in the clubhouse with this, and I certainly don't care whether or not Arrieta is a "professional", whatever that means. I'm not a player or coach with the Phillies, the clubhouse etiquette has no relevance to me whatsoever. And I'm not even saying that Arrieta is a good person for saying it, I'm just saying that what he said is so self-evidently correct that Harper himself said all the same stuff and yet people are sand-bagging him for it.

Besides which, "he's right but he shouldn't have said it" is 99% of the time a stupid argument designed to enable crummy behavior.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 23, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5834604)
That's why Arrieta's a dick
Well, that and check out his Twitter feed sometime.
   34. Lars6788 Posted: April 23, 2019 at 06:11 PM (#5834618)
Mad Libs


I think that is what Arrieta gets angry about the most.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: April 23, 2019 at 08:28 PM (#5834648)
Well done Lars.

   36. Bote Man Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:32 AM (#5834769)
I've always had a soft spot for the opposite type of player...the guy who just thinks of it as a job and isn't into the ra-ra aspect of sports.

I refer the right honorable gentleman to Anthony Rendon, who would just as soon open a bar on a bayou and kick back with his feet up on a table.
   37. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 09:51 AM (#5834795)
I've always had a soft spot for the opposite type of player...the guy who just thinks of it as a job and isn't into the ra-ra aspect of sports.

I refer the right honorable gentleman to Anthony Rendon, who would just as soon open a bar on a bayou and kick back with his feet up on a table.



I immediately thought "Jerry Blevins..."
   38. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5834819)
If he thought the Phillies looked flat on Monday, I wonder what he thought about Tuesday.
   39. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5834844)
If he thought the Phillies looked flat on Monday, I wonder what he thought about Tuesday.


Hmmm...Coming off a humiliating loss, feeling wronged by Jacob Rahme, and facing Jason Vargas? The odds are not in the Mets' favor this evening.

I say Philly puts up a 5-spot in the first and slowly pulls away.
   40. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5834874)
The odds are not in the Mets' favor this evening.


Can't win 'em all! But just in case the Mets are in the game after Vargas implodes, the bullpen is well rested and ready to go with a day off tomorrow.
   41. bfan Posted: April 24, 2019 at 01:47 PM (#5834878)
If he thought the Phillies looked flat on Monday, I wonder what he thought about Tuesday.


Flattened
   42. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5835229)
Hmmm...Coming off a humiliating loss, feeling wronged by Jacob Rahme [sic], and facing Jason Vargas? The odds are not in the Mets' favor this evening.

I say Philly puts up a 5-spot in the first and slowly pulls away.



Well, I wasn't too far off. Vargas was serviceable, the offense went into the tank against Vince Velazquez and the Phils erupted for 5 runs in the last 2 innings.

I have a feeling Mickey put Rhame out there on purpose to get lit up by Hoskins.

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