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Tuesday, October 02, 2012

Jason Frasor, Adam Lind say club lacks leadership; Blue Jays down Twins

The Megaphonecity.

A free agent, Frasor doesn’t figure to be in the Jays’ plans going forward and he was asked if he thought general manager Alex Anthopoulos needed to make major changes this off-season.

“I think he has to,” Frasor, who holds the Jays record for pitching appearances, replied. “I think he has to make some major decisions because this wasn’t a good mix this year. It didn’t work out obviously.”

What do you mean not a good mix?

“Too many young guys, too many young guys,” Frasor said. “We need some veteran leadership. How you go about finding it is tough to figure out, especially when you’re pulling in guys from other organizations and stuff.

“If I was back with the Blue Jays, I’d like there to be some older guys. Guys who carry themselves a little more professionally. It makes for a better team out there. The sloppiness off the field carries over to the field.”

...What the Jays don’t have on this team is a veteran everyday player who is willing to take on a vocal leadership role.

“I’ve only been in this clubhouse so I can’t speak for other teams, but we don’t have anyone like that in this clubhouse,” Lind said. “I think it’s one thing to be liked and another thing to be respected, and I think for a staff respect is more important than being liked. It’s all a learning process and we all learned a lot about who we are.”

Repoz Posted: October 02, 2012 at 11:51 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4252010)
“We need some veteran leadership. How you go about finding it is tough to figure out,


Oh, I dunno, Mr. Third-Oldest-Player-on-the-Roster...maybe step your ass up?? Especially when the two older players are preparing to retire (Oliver) and b**ching about the manager to angle for his job (Vizquel).
   2. akrasian Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4252016)
Are middle relievers in high demand as veteran leaders? This is arguably the most fungible portion of the roster, after all.
   3. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4252022)
Everything went to #### when Jose Bautista got injured.

Up to July 16th: .500 (45-45), but a .524 PWin%
After July 16th: .380 (27-44), but a .365 PWin%
   4. Greg K Posted: October 03, 2012 at 04:38 AM (#4252093)
Everything went to #### when Jose Bautista got injured.

Yeah, the real reason the season failed was probably pitching injuries or suckage (Romero).

But even after losing all those pitchers I was surprised at how well the Jays were hanging in there with a cobbled together rotation. Bautista going down seemed to just end all hope.
   5. John Northey Posted: October 03, 2012 at 06:07 AM (#4252103)
I do find it funny how the oldest guy who was brought in for 'veteran leadership' and the guy with the most time as a Jay (Frasor) have said more vets are needed. Lind is not in a position of power due to hitting like a limp noodle and being demoted mid season.

Might be time to find a Kirk Gibson 1988 - a guy who plays hard and plays well. Because obviously an old guy who isn't productive (such as Vizquel) is useless.
   6. donlock Posted: October 03, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4252198)
Old guy rant:

"We need more people like me. 3 cheers for veteran leadership!"

Young guy (quiet because he has no job security) "We need to get rid of those old farts and give playing time to developing players. And no more Springsteen in the clubhouse!"
   7. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 03, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4252226)
The Jays had a much more difficult schedule in the second half, but yeah, losing Bautista definitely hurt a lot. I do think leadership plays an important role. Vizquel was a drag on the team all year, I never understood why he was signed in the first place.

I don't give two shits whether or not Farrell's back next year.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 03, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4252407)
And no more Springsteen in the clubhouse!"


I don't care if you're Mike Trout, you just got your ass traded.
   9. RJ in TO Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4252414)
I don't give two shits whether or not Farrell's back next year.

Assuming Boston is still (for whatever dumb reason) willing to offer something of value for him, I'll be really pissed off if he is back with the team next year.
   10. DL from MN Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4252433)
We need more people like me.


Sounds like he's saying "We need less people like me who are experienced followers and more people who aren't like me."
   11. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 03, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4252477)
I don't give two shits whether or not Farrell's back next year.

Assuming Boston is still (for whatever dumb reason) willing to offer something of value for him, I'll be really pissed off if he is back with the team next year.


This seems to be a recurring theme among Blue Jay fans. As a Sox fan I'm curious what makes Farrell a bad manager? From what little I've seen he seems unremarkable though maybe with a bit too much of an emphasis on small ball tactics at times.

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