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Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Jason Giambi will interview for Colorado Rockies manager

Veteran player Jason Giambi will interview for the Rockies vacant managerial job, though no date has been set. He will be the last in-house candidate before the Rockies talk to other candidates. There is no timetable for a hiring.
Assistant general manager Bill Geivett said Monday that the Rockies will look outside the organization, but “we haven’t begun narrowing that list at this point.”

Giambi, 41, has never coached at any level. He underwent hernia surgery last week to keep open the option of playing in 2013, delaying a potential meeting with Rockies executives. Though he has no experience running a team, Giambi has worked with Rockies players on their hitting and talked strategy frequently with former field boss Jim Tracy.

The Rockies met for two days last week with bench coach Tom Runnells, interviewing him for the managerial position. Triple-A manager Stu Cole remains a candidate for a coaching position, but not the Rockies’ top spot.

No interview is planned for Vinny Castilla at this point

 

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Veteran player Jason Giambi will interview for the Rockies vacant managerial job, though no date has been set. He will be the last in-house candidate before the Rockies talk to other candidates. There is no timetable for a hiring.
Assistant general manager Bill Geivett said Monday that the Rockies will look outside the organization, but “we haven’t begun narrowing that list at this point.”

Giambi, 41, has never coached at any level. He underwent hernia surgery last week to keep open the option of playing in 2013, delaying a potential meeting with Rockies executives. Though he has no experience running a team, Giambi has worked with Rockies players on their hitting and talked strategy frequently with former field boss Jim Tracy.

The Rockies met for two days last week with bench coach Tom Runnells, interviewing him for the managerial position. Triple-A manager Stu Cole remains a candidate for a coaching position, but not the Rockies’ top spot.

No interview is planned for Vinny Castilla at this point

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM | 79 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jason giambi, managerial search, rockies, stu cole, tom runnells, vinny castilla

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   1. deputydrew Posted: October 16, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4272512)
Giambi would have been very low on my list of MLBers I'd ever imagine would get a managerial interview.
   2. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4272516)
The return of the player-manager!
   3. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4272535)
No interview is planned for Vinny Castilla at this point

What is it with the Rockies and announcing what they aren't doing?
   4. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4272544)
More Rockies news:
- They're not moving to the Cayman Islands.
- They're not replacing the Coors with Asahi.
- They're not switching to all cotton uniforms.
   5. Bruce Markusen Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4272565)
Agreed, deputydrew. Giambi has never come across as the studious or intellectual baseball thinker, though I suppose his personality and his popularity with teammates would help him.

The other Rockies' candidates that I've heard mentioned are Tom Runnells, the failed Expos manager who pulled that stunt wearing military fatigues to spring training about 20 years ago. And then there's Stu Cole, the Rockies' Triple-A manager who has been working the minors for the past decade.
   6. puck Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4272577)
What is it with the Rockies and announcing what they aren't doing?

They didn't announce it (at least, not unprompted). The Post's beat writer reported that, because as long as they're talking former players as candidates, Vinny's on a lot of people's minds around here.
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4272590)
I really hope Giambi gets it, as opposed to some 56-year-old who had managed the Indians for four years to unspectacular results, which seems more like the Rockies style. You know, Terry Collins or Gene Lamont or someone like that. Someone like Tom Runnells.

Giambi has been the team's de facto hitting coach the past couple of years, and the younger players speak glowingly of how he's helped them not just at the plate but in their overall approach to the game. I suspect he'd be a good manager of people, and his style at the plate leads me to think he might know how to build an offense, too. He might need help with the more tactical stuff, but he can always hire a good bench coach to help with that. And there's no reason to think Giambi would be bad at that, either.

Plus, it wold be a lot of fun.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4272591)
The Post's beat writer reported that, because as long as they're talking former players as candidates, Vinny's on a lot of people's minds around here.


Vinny still works in the Rockies' front office.
   9. Comic Strip Person Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4272593)
Giambi, 41, has never coached at any level. He underwent hernia surgery last week to keep open


This is how the blurb ends on the front page of the Newsstand, and my first thought was, "But that's the opposite of what hernia surgery is supposed to do!"

Sorry, I have nothing of more value to add.
   10. silhouetted by the sea Posted: October 16, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4272609)
I haven't come up with anything yet, so let me throw this out and see what ideas people have.
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manager like a .....
   11. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4272614)

What is it with the Rockies and announcing what they aren't doing?


Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the Rockies' plan for next season.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4272615)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manage like a .....

FUBAR
   13. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4272616)
I want this to happen so badly. Giambi is awesome.
   14. Danny Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4272619)
I have no idea how good Giambi would be at managing, but I'd love to see him stay in the game for another 10 years.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4272628)
Sure, why not? Pretty much anybody'd have to be better than Tracy.
   16. UCCF Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4272640)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manage like a .....


LaRuss-star.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4272647)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manager like a .....


Warren Brusstar.
   18. puck Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4272652)
I have no idea how good Giambi would be at managing, but I'd love to see him stay in the game for another 10 years.

Seems like he'll at very least be a hitting coach or some other sort of coach. The Rockies players loved him. They supposedly asked him not just about hitting, but all sorts of stuff. (Though, that leaves a lot up to the imagination. "How do you get a girl to write her number on a baseball and not draw attention to yourself.")
   19. UCCF Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4272675)
Warren Brusstar.

Funny - that was my first thought, except that he sucked, and never managed.

According to the BBRef database, the only manager in history with "star" in his name was Joe Start, who managed 25 games in 1873.
   20. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4272677)
They supposedly asked him not just about hitting, but all sorts of stuff. (Though, that leaves a lot up to the imagination. "How do you get a girl to write her number on a baseball and not draw attention to yourself.")


"What is the best style and material for slump-busting thongs, or do we really need to wear the exact pair you have worn on your sweaty, greasy man parts?"
   21. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 16, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4272684)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manager like a .....


brain in a jar! (I miss Gene Rayburn).
   22. BDC Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4272695)
Giambi would seem to be in a category with Kirk Gibson, Don Mattingly, and Clint Hurdle. Primarily known for his hitting, never really a very intellectual image (to say the extremely least) while an active player. Yet those three guys have had as much success as your average manager, certainly, in their brief careers so far. I guess not all managers have to be bespectacled backup catchers … it's entirely possible that Giambi spent the DH/PH/DL aspects of his career sitting in the dugout learning something about baseball instead of loading up on rally beer and chicken :)

Also possible he's delusional, of course.
   23. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4272706)
Seems like he'll at very least be a hitting coach or some other sort of coach. The Rockies players loved him. They supposedly asked him not just about hitting, but all sorts of stuff


The Rockies had a pretty funny commercial in their rotation last season showing Giambi delivering pearls of wisdom to his teammates in Yoda-speak.
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4272712)
Giambi would seem to be in a category with Kirk Gibson, Don Mattingly, and Clint Hurdle. Primarily known for his hitting, never really a very intellectual image (to say the extremely least) while an active player.


Don Baylor would fall into the same category. And arguably Dusty Baker.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4272713)
Is there a list somewhere of managers who were very good players, maybe HOVG or above, such as Giambi and Mattingly and Ventura? I agree with Tom: these kinds of managers can make the game fun. And it's not like the non-Giambis are mensa candidates anyway, so, might as well go with someone like the Giambino.

(I may be misremembering but IIRC correctly "the Giambino" is a John Sterling creation.)
   26. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4272714)
Giambi would seem to be in a category with Kirk Gibson, Don Mattingly, and Clint Hurdle. Primarily known for his hitting, never really a very intellectual image (to say the extremely least) while an active player.

Cito Gaston would be another example. It's not a typical path to the manager job, but it isn't unprecedented.
   27. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4272727)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manager like a ....


And now I can only hear this awesome funky tune in my head.

   28. bunyon Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4272729)
He's just going to keep himself in the lineup until he breaks Rose's record.
   29. flournoy Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4272737)
Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the Rockies' plan for next season.


I knew this quote, but just couldn't place it. The best guess I could come up with was The Princess Bride. Turns out it's Sherlock Holmes.

Missed it by that much.
   30. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4272742)
Primarily known for his hitting, never really a very intellectual image (to say the extremely least) while an active player.


Hal McRae
   31. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4272745)
Is there a list somewhere of managers who were very good players, maybe HOVG or above, such as Giambi and Mattingly and Ventura?

Just scanning the list of managers on bb-ref, in addition to those already mentioned (and excluding player-managers):

- Felipe Alou
- Hank Bauer
- Buddy Bell
- Yogi Berra
- Ken Boyer
- Max Carey
- Del Crandall
- Alvin Dark
- Freddie Fitzsimmons
- Jim Fregosi
- Joe Gordon
- Stan Hack
- Mike Hargrove
- Pinky Higgins
- Gil Hodges
- Frank Howard
- Davey Johnson
- Walter Johnson
- Harvey Kuenn
- Bob Lemon
- Eddie Lopat
- Davey Lopes
- Eddie Mathews
- Tony Perez
- Johnny Pesky
- Willie Randolph
- Red Schoendienst
- Joe Torre
- Alan Trammell
- Mickey Vernon
- Ted Williams
- Maury Wills
   32. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4272765)
Thanks, Steve. I had forgotten that Trammell managed.

And many people would like to forget that Wills did :-)
   33. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4272772)
Giambi would seem to be in a category with Kirk Gibson, Don Mattingly, and Clint Hurdle. Primarily known for his hitting, never really a very intellectual image (to say the extremely least) while an active player.

Don Baylor would fall into the same category.
Toward the end of his career, Baylor was known as much for his clubhouse leadership and his "kangaroo courts" as for his batting. He was pegged as managerial material while still a player.

I'd just like to fourth the thread consensus that Jason Giambi, major league manager, needs to happen.
   34. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4272774)
Just scanning the list of managers on bb-ref, in addition to those already mentioned (and excluding player-managers):


Also Frank Robinson.
   35. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4272776)
Yeah, but I left him off because he started as a player-manager.

A couple of others who might merit inclusion would be Joe Adcock and Jim Lemon.
   36. caprules Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4272851)
Jeremy as 3B coach.
   37. rlc Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4272856)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manage like ...

an earthstar.

After all, his teammates say he's a fun guy.
   38. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4272872)
Anyone remember the Tom Boswell essay years ago that divided all major league managers into 4 archetypical categories? They were the Little Napoleon, the Peerless Leader, the Uncle Robbie, and the Tall Tactician. I'd guess Giambi would be an Uncle Robbie. The Rockies managers in the past have either been Uncle Robbies (Hurdle) or Peerless Leaders (Baylor, Bell, Tracy). I guess Leyland's more of a Tactician but he wasn't around long. Personally I think they could do with a Little Napoleon at this point, although there aren't as many around as there used to be.
   39. JJ1986 Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4272875)
Personally I think they could do with a Little Napoleon at this point, although there aren't as many around as there used to be.


Bobby Valentine is available.
   40. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4272881)
Anyone remember the Tom Boswell essay years ago that divided all major league managers into 4 archetypical categories?

I loved that. It was completely brilliant and fun.

The Rockies managers in the past have either been Uncle Robbies (Hurdle) or Peerless Leaders (Baylor, Bell, Tracy).

You would consider Tracy a Peerless Leader rather than a Little Napoleon?
   41. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4272893)
You would consider Tracy a Peerless Leader rather than a Little Napoleon?


Oh, definitely. Or maybe a PL crossed with a little TT. Ozzie Guillen is the only Napoleon that leaps to mind of guys that have managed recently. Maybe Valentine. Tracy's way too even-keeled and circumspect to be a LN. I think Jose Oquendo would be a Napoleon, although it's unlike Napoleons to be happy to be a 3B coach as long as Oquendo has, so I may have a wrong read on him.
   42. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4272899)
Oh, definitely. Or maybe a PL crossed with a little TT. Ozzie Guillen is the only Napoleon that leaps to mind of guys that have managed recently. Maybe Valentine. Tracy's way too even-keeled and circumspect to be a LN.

Fair enough. I've only witnessed Tracy from afar.

Lou Piniella would be a LN, yes?
   43. PreservedFish Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4272910)
Valentine is a wannabe Tall Tactician, actually a Little Napoleon.
   44. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4272912)
Yeah, but I left him off because he started as a player-manager.

So did Joe Torre. For a week. (His last PA was a week after his dugout debut).

There's also Ted Lyons. He's a reverse Torre. Lyons managed & played in the same season, but his last game was shortly before he became manager.
   45. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4272914)
Stupid question: What's meant by a Peerless Leader? I can figure the other three, but what makes a Peerless Leader different from a Tall Tactician or the others.

(Yes, I know Frank Chance was Peerless Leader, but I can't quite pick up on what this one means.
   46. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4272931)
Stupid question: What's meant by a Peerless Leader?


Boswell describes each type in terms of the #1 attribute each possesses and is ruled by. For the Napoleon, it's passion. For the PL, strength of character. For the TT, brains. For the Uncle Robbie, wisdom, usually laced with humor.

Peerless Leaders are also usually rather hard, physical men. In the time of Boswell's essay, I think he cited Walt Alston as a classic PL. Gil Hodges. Frank Robinson. More recently, Don Baylor and Art Howe. I think Mike Matheny is going to be pure PL. Guys who clench their teeth, fold their arms, and stare into the middle distance.

La Russa's a Tactician. Leyland. I'd guess Maddon, although I don't watch the AL much. Showalter.

   47. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4272934)
Edit: deleted duplicate post.

   48. OsunaSakata Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4272936)
The Peerless Leaders, modeled on Frank Chance, disciplined, courageous and dignified, embodying leadership by character.


Would Robin Ventura be a Peerless Leader?

Descriptions of types:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Manager
   49. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4272950)
Guys who clench their teeth, fold their arms, and stare into the middle distance.

Mike Scioscia. Bruce Bochy. Felipe Alou. Joe Torre.
   50. Tom (and his broom) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4272980)
Bruce Bochy is much more a Uncle Robby
   51. Steve Treder Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4272983)
Bruce Bochy is much more a Uncle Robby

I don't think so. Bochy's stoic, not jovial. (Plus, even at his age he could probably kick about half the team's ass, and they know it.) Dusty Baker would be more of an Uncle Robbie.
   52. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4273003)
Who are the Uncle Robbies?

Dusty Baker. Clint Hurdle?
   53. Karl from NY Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4273023)
Davey Johnson would be an Uncle Robbie.
   54. Perry Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4273158)
Who are the Uncle Robbies?


Charlie Manuel. Hurdle.
   55. puck Posted: October 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4273300)
Given the descriptions, Jim Tracy with the Rockies seems more like an Uncle Robby, to me. Not that he's funny, but he's a kindly grandpa. When players screw up, he doesn't give them a stern look or yell at them, he puts his arm around their shoulders and patiently explains the issue to them. Very gentle in public criticism and complimentary to the press in general.

Hurdle seemed like a cross between a Little Napoleon and an Uncle Robby, if that's possible. He joked a lot and blustered quite a bit, but he had a bit of an edge. Maybe that makes him a Peerless Leader?
   56. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4273395)
Hurdle seemed like a cross between a Little Napoleon and an Uncle Robby

Uncle Napoleon?
   57. Steve Treder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM (#4273650)
He joked a lot and blustered quite a bit, but he had a bit of an edge. Maybe that makes him a Peerless Leader?

No. Peerless Leaders don't F around. Peerless Leaders don't care if players like them, only that players respect them.
   58. phredbird Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4273663)
I think Mike Matheny is going to be pure PL.


totally. he looks and acts like a cigar store indian in the dugout.

giambi needs to be a manager if only to add to the number of beefy redfaced managers in the game. clint hurdle is sort of all we got right now.
   59. phredbird Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:34 AM (#4273664)
Hurdle seemed like a cross between a Little Napoleon and an Uncle Robby

Uncle Napoleon?


true fact, my great grandfather was named napoleon.
   60. Steve Treder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4273675)
Davey Johnson would be an Uncle Robbie.

I see him as a Tall Tactician, but I've never observed him closely.
   61. Steve Treder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4273679)
On the radio today they gave a Jim Leyland anecdote that is the essence of Tall Tactician: some reporter asked if Prince Fielder had proved to be a good teammate over his first season in Detroit. Leyland said, "30 homers and 100 RBIs. Great teammate."
   62. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 17, 2012 at 01:13 AM (#4273689)
I guess Jimmie Foxx's stint in the AAGPBL doesn't count
   63. Flynn Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:02 AM (#4273730)
true fact, my great grandfather was named napoleon.


And you tell us you're from New Orleans. Whatever!
   64. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: October 17, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4273759)
Not sure about the "wisdom" part of it, but Leyland's definitely an Uncle Robbie.
   65. John M. Perkins Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4273822)
Joe Girardi
   66. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4274642)
No. Peerless Leaders don't F around. Peerless Leaders don't care if players like them, only that players respect them.

Tom Kelly
   67. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4274667)
For the Napoleon, it's passion. For the PL, strength of character. For the TT, brains. For the Uncle Robbie, wisdom, usually laced with humor.


By default, I guess I'd peg Tracy as a Napoleon. I don't think he's particularly passionate, but he sure doesn't have the requirements for any of the other three.
   68. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:59 PM (#4274671)
Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star, manage like ...


Sandy Alomar!
   69. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4274676)
Not sure about the "wisdom" part of it, but Leyland's definitely an Uncle Robbie.


During Leyland's time in Pittsburgh, he had some PL in him, too. Think back to some of his spring training confrontation with Bonds, or the time he charged the mound against Kevin Gross.
   70. phredbird Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4274679)
For the Napoleon, it's passion.


earl weaver.

though he was certainly smart enough to be a tactician too.
   71. Loren F. Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4274943)
Buck Showalter used to be a LN, but maybe he's changed.
   72. BDC Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4274957)
I guess Ron Washington is an Uncle Robbie. Player's manager, upbeat, unflappable, gets excited when good stuff happens. I don't know if those things qualify him, but he can't fit any of the other three categories.

very good players, maybe HOVG or above

There's also an interesting separate category of managers like Valentine or Hurdle who had all the talent in the world but didn't have a HOVG or even much of a good career as a player. Dick Williams and Don Zimmer might fit here. Often it's an injury that reduces their playing potential and leads to a career that involves a lot of observing from the bench: that was true of Valentine, Williams, and Zimmer as I recall. Hurdle, I'm not as sure why he wasn't much of a player, but I guess he just never was as good as projected.
   73. Steve Treder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4274984)
Often it's an injury that reduces their playing potential and leads to a career that involves a lot of observing from the bench: that was true of Valentine, Williams, and Zimmer as I recall. Hurdle, I'm not as sure why he wasn't much of a player, but I guess he just never was as good as projected.

Williams never got meaningfully hurt. He was a good utilityman talent who had a good utilityman career.

Zimmer's career was unquestionably derailed by those two hideous beanings. He might not have developed as hoped, but he was clearly a potential star.

Valentine certainly had his career ruined by that broken ankle, but Dodger farm system hype aside, he was never going to be a star. He was a good ballplayer, but not more than a good utilityman.

Hurdle was a very young guy who presented strong potential, but got hurt and never developed.
   74. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 18, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4275012)
Hurdle was a very young guy who presented strong potential, but got hurt and never developed.


<insert drinkee-drinkee motion here>
   75. MM1f Posted: October 18, 2012 at 01:17 AM (#4275031)
I am loving this discussion.

What category does Bobby Cox fit in? Peerless Leader with a Napoleon complex?
   76. Barnaby Jones Posted: October 18, 2012 at 05:50 AM (#4275066)
I was thinking Cox is more half Uncle Robbie, half little Napoleon. He's the former in the clubhouse, and the latter on the field.

I think he was too beloved by the players to be a peerless leader
   77. BDC Posted: October 18, 2012 at 09:30 AM (#4275142)
Williams never got meaningfully hurt

I stand corrected. I thought I recalled him breaking a leg or something that slowed him down and turned him into a utility man. It may well be that his somewhat garrulous memoir overstates the effect of minor injuries on his prospect self, or I may be misremembering :)

I also remember the hype on Valentine as being extreme. But such was my impressionable infant self :-D
   78. Steve Treder Posted: October 18, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4275270)
I think he was too beloved by the players to be a peerless leader

Absolutely. He wore his emotions on his sleeve, which was exactly why his players loved him.
   79. Steve Treder Posted: October 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4275272)
It may well be that his somewhat garrulous memoir overstates the effect of minor injuries on his prospect self, or I may be misremembering :)

Yes, the longer ago a guy played, not only the greater was he, but the greater he coulda been unless <insert whatever here>.

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