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Thursday, August 22, 2013

Jason Heyward out 4-6 weeks with broken jaw

Stop going to New York!  First Tim Hudson, now Jason Heyward!  Just forfeit the games, the price is too high!


NEW YORK —

The Braves’ short two-game series in New York wasn’t quite short enough. The team watched their dynamic young right fielder Jason Heyward get struck in the right jaw by a Jonathon Niese fastball in the sixth inning Wednesday, giving the Braves another horrific-looking injury at Citi Field in their past two trips here.

X-rays revealed that Heyward’s jaw is fractured in two places, and he’s expected to miss four to six weeks. Heyward will have surgery Thursday in Atlanta.

Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 22, 2013 at 02:24 AM | 101 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 07:39 AM (#4524948)
Ouch. That's horrible.

I can't think of many bones I'd less want to break than my jaw. Skull fracture, maybe, or broken back.
   2. bunyon Posted: August 22, 2013 at 07:42 AM (#4524949)
He's going to weigh 90 pounds when he comes back.
   3. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 07:47 AM (#4524954)
I'd be genuinely concerned about his psychological state upon his return. Not everyone can take a 93 MPH fastball to the jaw, not eat for a month as a result, and step right back in there and hit fearlessly like it never happened.
   4. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 08:28 AM (#4524969)
Really ugly play. I hope Heyward can make it back without any long-term problems.

I was kind of impressed by the speed of the response. On the replay, it seemed like about a second and a half between the ball hitting Heyward's cheek and the Mets' catcher guiding him to lie down while the ump hollered for the trainer.
   5. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 08:33 AM (#4524973)
That's awful.
   6. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:09 AM (#4524994)
Much like the EY2/Tim Hudson debacle, the Mets players were 100% great, perfect sportsmanship, and so obviously concerned about Heyward. It makes it worse, because you can't even hate the Mets for doing it. It's just a pitch that got away from Neise, who looked like he was going to puke the minute it left his hand.
   7. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:20 AM (#4525003)
If Heyward comes back next year and plays at the same level I'll have a ton of respect for him. I'm not sure I'd ever step up to the plate and face a MLB pitcher after something like that.
   8. ASmitty Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:26 AM (#4525011)
This is obviously the worst example of it, but how many times do you think Heyward/any MLB player has been hit above the shoulders in his lifetime? There's a difference of degree here, but I'm sure Heyward has bounced back from a headshot more than once since little league. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself to cheer myself up; that HBP made me queasy.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:32 AM (#4525016)
This is obviously the worst example of it, but how many times do you think Heyward/any MLB player has been hit above the shoulders in his lifetime? There's a difference of degree here, but I'm sure Heyward has bounced back from a headshot more than once since little league. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself to cheer myself up; that HBP made me queasy.

I agree with this.

I never played baseball past HS, but in Jr. High I got hit in the face with an errant bat (broken nose) and in HS, got hit in the face with a one hopper, bad hop (again broken nose). Both times there was tons of blood, pain, etc., and it was immediately traumatic. But, I didn't have any real trouble getting back out there either time.

As long as it's just pain/broken bones I think he'll bounce back fine. Where it probably gets dicey is where you have either a near death experience (e.g. McCarthy), vision issues (Dickie Thon), or brain trauma.
   10. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4525018)
Taking a fastball to the face and getting a broken jaw has to be incredibly rare.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:39 AM (#4525019)
Taking a fastball to the face and getting a broken jaw has to be incredibly rare.

Yes, but he's almost certainly been hit in the head before.
   12. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:39 AM (#4525020)
An absolutely beautiful example of karma! Justice works in amazing ways.
   13. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4525022)
Right, but I think there's got to be a world of difference between having a pitch hit your helmet or even taking a bad hop to the face and taking a fastball to the jaw.
   14. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:45 AM (#4525027)
There's a small part of me that's tempted to take Joey off ignore to see his post. Is it as horrible as I think? Does he defy expectations and express sympathy for a fellow human being? The drama!
   15. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:46 AM (#4525028)
Taking a fastball to the face and getting a broken jaw has to be incredibly rare.


Jeff Francoeur took a fastball to the eye socket in the minors. Was out for half a year. Still managed to come back to the game. Heyward will come back. He may not come back with timing and strength this year, which is highly regrettable. He was finally "together" at the plate again.

An absolutely beautiful example of karma! Justice works in amazing ways.


Stay classy, Joey. This is, by the way, why literally everyone on this site despises you. Keep it up. This is why we build 15 game leads. So we can play Joey Terdoslavich down the stretch and still win easily.
   16. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4525031)
I was hit in the face and fractured by orbital bone when I was 11. I thought about it a LOT over the next few months but had no problem getting back in the box the next year and playing as well as I had before. Granted it wasn't a 90+ pitch but it was pretty traumatic for a kid that age (unconscious for a few seconds, blood everywhere, had to get glasses).

And wow was I wrong. When I saw the replay I thought he managed to get it with his shoulder a bit and was more worried about a concussion than a fractured jaw.

Much like the EY2/Tim Hudson debacle, the Mets players were 100% great, perfect sportsmanship, and so obviously concerned about Heyward. It makes it worse, because you can't even hate the Mets for doing it. It's just a pitch that got away from Neise, who looked like he was going to puke the minute it left his hand.


You're getting soft. Someone somewhere needs to be stabbed.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4525032)
Right, but I think there's got to be a world of difference between having a pitch hit your helmet or even taking a bad hop to the face and taking a fastball to the jaw.

My personal experience is limited to the facial trauma.
   18. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4525033)
Nope...it was just as horrible as I expected. He's nothing if not predictable.
   19. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:52 AM (#4525034)
So we can play Joey Terdoslavich down the stretch and still win easily.


Jeeze! I thought you made that name up.
   20. Scott Lange Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:52 AM (#4525036)
Wow, Joey. I'm a non-Braves fan living in Atlanta, so I tend to enjoy seeing the Braves fans get their cage rattled. I certainly thought the Braves were wrong in going after Harper the way they did. But to call it "beautiful" when someone gets their jaw shattered, particularly when that someone had nothing to do with Harper getting hit, disgusts me. For shame.
   21. john_halfz Posted: August 22, 2013 at 09:58 AM (#4525044)
Joey B. is like Gil Renard (Robert DeNiro) in The Fan. I'd be nervous if he lived in my apartment building.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM (#4525046)
Much like the EY2/Tim Hudson debacle, the Mets players were 100% great, perfect sportsmanship, and so obviously concerned about Heyward.


While we're talking about sportsmanship, it was nice to see Heyward give Niese a nod as he left the field. Maybe it set his mind at ease a bit.
   23. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM (#4525048)
Joey's Nats may be 15 games out, but he's already clinched the title of the most worthless human being on BTF.
   24. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM (#4525049)
While we're talking about sportsmanship, it was nice to see Heyward give Niese a nod as he left the field. Maybe it set his mind at ease a bit.


That was good. Am I wrong that Jack Hamilton's career went south after he hit Conigliaro? I'm sure there are more than a few other examples of that.
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:03 AM (#4525051)
I was hit in the face and fractured by orbital bone when I was 11. I thought about it a LOT over the next few months but had no problem getting back in the box the next year and playing as well as I had before. Granted it wasn't a 90+ pitch but it was pretty traumatic for a kid that age (unconscious for a few seconds, blood everywhere, had to get glasses).


When I was playing pony league ball, one of my teammates got hit in the face by a pitch and broke his jaw. It was a pretty bad break - he had to have his jaw wired, and he lost some teeth (we actually had an in-game break for ten or fifteen minutes so people could look around in the dirt for the teeth that got knocked out). There was a hell of a lot of blood, too.

He made a full physical recovery, but didn't play baseball any more after that.
   26. zonk Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM (#4525055)
The worst beaning I ever got was in a HS summer league game -- even ~20 years later, I can still remember it sort of slow motion... It was, fortunately, a curve that just didn't curve and I did one of those squirrel-in-the-middle-of-the-road brain freezes. I had started my stride, in a split second realized this one wasn't going to be anywhere near the plate, and got stuck with half my brain thinking turn my back/let it hit the back of my helmet/shoulder vs. the other half thinking NO! we've gone too far, let's do a complete 360. It probably would have looked comical, except the pitch nailed me almost squarely on my right eye (RHB).

No broken bones or permanent damage - though, my eyesight is worse in that eye ever since... but it definitely made me tentative for a good year. I closed up my stance, stood further off the plate, shortened my stride, etc. I never could handle breaking stuff - of course, being a middling talent at best - this just kept me squarely in the 99% of HS players who can't handle good breaking stuff regardless.

The practice tactic I took to get over it was actually spending a lot of time in the case bunting - it forced me to square up and focus on 'catching' the ball with the bat, and as such - I eventually got used to standing in...
   27. Bitter Mouse Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4525056)
I am pretty sure it is a Troll act, a bit, for the internet. No one is that obviously loathsome in real life without obvious mental issues. But yeah I don't blame anyone for using the ignore feature.

I kind of want to like the Nats, and I guess they are up there in NL teams I like (behind the Giants and Cubs), but Joey does not make it easy.

But yeah horrible. Part of the game (and so on) but really too bad (and I say that not liking the Braves even a little).
   28. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:12 AM (#4525059)
Braves 2013 DL and reasons:

Jason Heyward - appendectomy, broken jaw
Dan Uggla - LASIK surgery
Eric O'Flaherty - Tommy John
Jordan Walden - shoulder inflammation
Jonny Venters - Tommy John
Cristhian Martinez - shoulder surgery
Ramiro Pena - shoulder surgery
Jordan Schafer - stress fracture (ankle)
Tim Hudson - fracture (ankle)
Paul Maholm - wrist
Evan Gattis - oblique
Freddie Freeman - oblique
Brian McCann - recovery from shoulder surgery
BJ Upton - adductor strain
Tyler Pastornicky - torn ACL
Reed Johnson - achilles tendonitis

How is this team in first place?
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM (#4525065)
An absolutely beautiful example of karma! Justice works in amazing ways.


Why would David Justice order this hit?
   30. Bitter Mouse Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4525067)
How is this team in first place?


Well Atlanta is known world wide as a great sports town with great fans, so that may be it. That or Chris Truby.
   31. formerly dp Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4525068)
That sucks. Did not see the pitch (thanks MLBTV regional blackout), and I'm glad for it. Awful injury, hope Heyward can bounce back from this and start sucking for totally unrelated reasons.

Rickey: if you can avoid quoting Joey's comments, those of us who have him on ignore won't have to read them. Whatever he writes, I assume it is awful.
   32. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4525069)
From a June 23, 1958 SI article:

Pink Lady For A Home Run King

Bob Cerv, Kansas City's left fielder, has 17 home runs, 51 runs batted in and one broken jaw. He is leading the league in each department.

Cerv broke his jaw when he collided with Detroit's Red Wilson at home plate on May 17. In the hospital his jaws were wired tightly together, but not before a dental plate was removed, leaving a gap which allows Cerv to sip liquids through a straw. Three days after the accident, Cerv was back hitting home runs.

On a humid afternoon in Washington, D.C. recently, Cerv, stripped to his shorts and undershirt, sat in his hotel room waiting for room service to bring his dinner. Cerv is a huge man, well over 200 pounds, with massive shoulders, arms and legs.

"When they wired me up at the hospital," he said, "they told me I'd have to live on custards, milk shakes and baby food for six weeks. Have you ever tasted baby food? Boy, I have. I've got six kids, seven come August, and I can tell you baby food is horrible. The first day I was in the hospital they fed me gruel and I thought, 'Lord, let me out of here.' See that gadget over there? That's what saved me. I can eat almost anything with that." He pointed to a high-speed mixing machine called a Liquidizer.

"I'll show you how it works when the food arrives. It's been a lifesaver. I've been able to eat steaks. In fact, I haven't lost a pound since the accident." He rubbed his jaw softly. "I'm past the halfway point on this thing. Only two weeks more. It isn't so bad. I can't brush my teeth, of course. I use some stuff called Cepacol. That washes 'em out pretty good. I can talk all right. It really isn't hard. Try it. You just have to talk more slowly and not as often."

There was a knock on the door and a waiter wheeled in a table covered with silver serving dishes. There were two huge hamburger steaks, string beans, mashed potatoes, some cottage cheese, pears, three scoops of vanilla ice cream, two glasses of Jell-O, two containers of chocolate milk, a bowl of gravy and a bowl of clear soup.

"This may look like a lot of food," said Cerv, "but it's only two meals."

He poured the hamburger, beans, potatoes, gravy and soup into the container, then put the top on. "This morning I forgot it when I had the eggs, butter and bacon in there, and they shot out all over the mirror."

He turned the machine on to pulverizing, then up to liquifying and left it there for two minutes. The finished product looked like a thick coffee milk shake. He poured half of it into a Thermos bottle for after the game. The rest he put in a bowl. He slid a paper straw into the gap between his teeth and began sipping.

"It's really not bad," he said between sips. "Try it."
   33. DA Baracus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:20 AM (#4525071)
How is this team in first place?


Because the rest of the division is crap.
   34. spike Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4525072)
I recall Robby Thomson's HBP in the face as being horrific, but Wikipedia says he was only out 8 games. He certainly never hit the same though.
   35. bunyon Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4525074)
You're getting soft. Someone somewhere needs to be stabbed.

Joey, obviously.

How is this team in first place?

The teams in their division are shitty. I don't actually expect the Braves to advance and think, despite the record, they aren't nearly as good as the Dodgers or top three in the Central. But they play lousy teams going nowhere almost every night, so they look great. (EDIT: I don't think the Braves are bad, or even average. I think they're very good. Just not as good as those other four teams. Homefield in the LDS will help but I won't be all that surprised to see them lose to whichever of the four they play.)


I thought the whole thing was great sportsmanship. If you'd told me 15 years ago I'd see a Braves player beaned by a Met and then be touched by all the goodwill and sportsmanship I'd never have believed you.


I got hit a number of times in the helmet. For me, a very different deal than getting hit without a helmet. I got hit once in the face as I ran behind the plate in an intrasquad game (dumb, and my fault) and to this day I can't even think about sitting straight behind the plate, even with a net. I also got hit in the face by a bad hop and it took me a long time to recover my nerve in the field (if I ever really did - it was fall ball my senior year). But getting hit in the helmet was never much of a big deal. Those thick helmets are pretty solid against an 80mph pitch. I don't know about 95.

But breaking the jaw? I'd expect Heyward won't be effective again this year but will be fine long term. Dammit.
   36. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4525079)
The teams in their division are shitty. I don't actually expect the Braves to advance and think, despite the record, they aren't nearly as good as the Dodgers or top three in the Central. But they play lousy teams going nowhere almost every night, so they look great. (EDIT: I don't think the Braves are bad, or even average. I think they're very good. Just not as good as those other four teams. Homefield in the LDS will help but I won't be all that surprised to see them lose to whichever of the four they play.)


I think this oversells the other division leaders a bit. I don't see a lot more pure talent on the field in Pittsburgh or Cincy or STL or even LA, really. And ATL has winning records against those teams. (They got the Dodgers before Hanley went insane in the second half.) The Braves are in first place because they have a really deep, talented bench, and it's getting worked out hard. They really need BJ Upton to have his return-to-form streak now, and they really need the LASIK to have fixed Dan Uggla a bit. Terdoslavich, Gattis and Jordan Schafer can't carry a team through the playoffs.
   37. just plain joe Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4525081)
I never got hit in the head playing baseball, at least not at the plate. I was a catcher in high school and took some foul balls of the mask. Several years after high school I was getting ready to play softball and got hit in the mouth with an errant bat. I could actually see the bat coming towards me, seemingly in slow motion, but I couldn't move out of the way. I ended up getting my two front upper teeth broken along with other damage that required root canals on two unbroken teeth. I got post and crown restorations on the two broken teeth, after numerous trips to the dentist. For the longest time after that my front teeth clicked together when I made certain sounds; in effect I had to relearn how to talk to keep from banging my teeth together. Playing softball after this incident never bothered me, I suppose because it was just a freak accident.
   38. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4525083)
The teams in their division are shitty. I don't actually expect the Braves to advance and think, despite the record, they aren't nearly as good as the Dodgers or top three in the Central. But they play lousy teams going nowhere almost every night, so they look great. (EDIT: I don't think the Braves are bad, or even average. I think they're very good. Just not as good as those other four teams. Homefield in the LDS will help but I won't be all that surprised to see them lose to whichever of the four they play.)


It's worth acknowledging that the Braves have played awfully well against the other NL contenders:

STL: 3-0
PIT: 4-3
CIN: 4-3
LA: 5-2
ARI: 4-2 (for a given definition of "contender")

That's not determinative or anything, and the games against the Dodgers came before they went on their obscene run. But there's little in the actual on-field record that makes me think the Braves are out-matched by anyone else.

Well, that's a pre-broken jaw comment, I suppose.
   39. bunyon Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4525086)
And pre-Hudson going down.

I'm not sure if you guys saw my edit - I did oversell it at first. I just think instead of being a little better than the other four, as the record would indicate, they're a little worse. Not a lot, but a little.

   40. spike Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4525089)
Atlanta v

CIN 4 3
PIT 4 3
STL 3 0
LAD 5 2

At anything close full strength, they could hang with any of them, and probably still can. The swept St Louis and Pittsburgh in their last meetings.

//edit - Hudson was gone when they swept St L. They are 20-4 since his injury
   41. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4525090)
Atlanta v

CIN 4 3
PIT 4 3
STL 3 0
LAD 5 2


STOP RIPPING OFF MY POSTS, SPIKE!
   42. spike Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4525092)
Mea culpa.
   43. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4525095)
I am angry with rage!
   44. spike Posted: August 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4525098)
The Braves are in first place because they have a really deep, talented bench

and an absolutely off the charts pen. 2.38 ERA and that's WITHOUT their two best setup men going into the season, Venters and O'Flaherty. 98R (96ER) in 362 ip, .593 OPS
   45. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4525112)
   46. flournoy Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4525113)
The seven men in the Braves' bullpen right now have a collective 1.96 ERA and 1.057 WHIP.

                  IP     ERA    WHIP
Craig Kimbrel     51.3   1.05   0.935
Scott Downs        7.7   1.17   1.304
Luis Avilan       53.0   1.19   0.906
David Carpenter   48.7   1.85   1.027
Jordan Walden     43.7   2.47   1.008
Luis Ayala        20.3   2.66   1.475
Anthony Varvaro   55.3   3.09   1.193
   47. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4525114)
...and they really need the LASIK to have fixed Dan Uggla a bit.

Uggles is woofing about it. I'm hoping we see Gabe Kapler's "confidence is the ultimate PED" thesis in action.
   48. Ron J2 Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4525122)
#32 I remembered a story about Ricky Jordan's problems when his jaw was wired shut. Found the story.

Short version. Got tired of the bland diet. Decided to blend up something more interesting (Long John Silver's fish, some shrimp, some french fries) and got really sick. Vomiting can be fatal to somebody whose jaw is wired shut and he couldn't find his wire cutters. Fortunately for him it cleared up. Still a pretty nasty moment.

   49. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM (#4525132)
My Little League career (and competitive baseball career) was ended by taking a fastball in the face while warming up with the team's pitcher, just under my right eye, that (luckily) broke a few minor bones but didn't do any lasting or serious damage. It was late in the season and I wasn't cleared by my doctor to resume playing before the season ended, and I haven't played competitive baseball since, so I'll never know if it had any psychological impact. I went right back to playing hard catch without a problem.
   50. formerly dp Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4525144)
I am angry with rage!
Blame teh roidz?
   51. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4525148)
Short version. Got tired of the bland diet. Decided to blend up something more interesting (Long John Silver's fish, some shrimp, some french fries) and got really sick. Vomiting can be fatal to somebody whose jaw is wired shut and he couldn't find his wire cutters. Fortunately for him it cleared up. Still a pretty nasty moment.


That kind of thing happened to my buddy. He had his jaw wired shut after getting hit with a ground ball in the face (he was a pitcher, spent two years in the minors). One day he was just sitting at home, when he started feeling violently ill. He rushed to the bathroom, fumbling to get the wire cutters out. Made all the snips, and turned out it was just the dry heaves. But in the moments when he couldn't get the thing cut, he said he was terrified.

And Dickie Thon's career was absolutely derailed by a fastball to the face.

   52. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4525154)
Braves 2013 DL and reasons:


Don't forget Brandon Beachy, who missed the first 100 games recovering from Tommy John surgery.
   53. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4525160)
from Rocky Bridges
"I was hitting .307 at the break," Rocky recalls, "but then I checked out Frank Lary's fast ball on my jaw. The trouble with having a wired jaw is that you can never tell when you're sleepy—you can't yawn."
   54. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4525178)
I remember Ellis Valentine used to wear a helmet with a face guard after getting hit and breaking his jaw. Might be something to consider.
   55. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4525183)
The Nationals just put David DeJesus back on waivers, because it's fun to do that, I guess. Washington probably isn't inclined to do the Braves any favors, but DeJesus would make a lot of sense for the Braves.
   56. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM (#4525188)
It seems to me more than a little bizarre that a standard jaw-breakage treatment would be set up in such a way that could so easily kill you.
   57. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4525191)
It seems to me more than a little bizarre that a standard jaw-breakage treatment would be set up in such a way that it could so easily kill you.


It's the least worst option, I suppose. How else are you going to fix a broken jaw? You're not going to insert an abdominal feeding tube or anything.
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM (#4525197)
I remember Ellis Valentine used to wear a helmet with a face guard after getting hit and breaking his jaw. Might be something to consider.


Dave Parker did that, too.
   59. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4525203)
It's the least worst option, I suppose. How else are you going to fix a broken jaw? You're not going to insert an abdominal feeding tube or anything.

I think the "find and operate wire cutters or die" requirement is what is throwing me. I would have thought some engineer somewhere could have come up with a more reasonable quick-release option for a still-locktight wiring.
   60. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM (#4525206)
Joey's Nats may be 15 games out, but he's already clinched the title of the most worthless human being on BTF.


His post is in the vicinity of the posts that got Rob Base banned.
   61. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4525207)
I think the "find and operate wire cutters or die" option is what is throwing me. I would have thought some engineer somewhere could have come up with a more reasonable quick-release option for a still-locktight wiring.


You'd think. This was obviously a long time ago (87, I think). But I remember when my friend first got his shut he told us that if he ever starts to vomit and he can't get them cut, he could die.

On the other hand, we had a summer-long designated driver. So the pluses and minuses kind of balanced out.
   62. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4525210)
I think the "find and operate wire cutters or die" option is what is throwing me


The steampunks should get on that.
   63. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4525216)
Also, I have to think that if I'm walking around with my jaw wired shut, I have those wire cutters on me at all times. Sure, you probably don't need them, but the downside of needing them and not having them is *way* to big not to wear a carpenter's belt for a few weeks.
   64. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4525228)
His post is in the vicinity of the posts that got Rob Base banned.

Nice little passive-aggressive way of suggesting that I should be banned there. You're not the first person to try this sad little tactic by the way. It didn't work then, and I kind of doubt that it's going to work now.
   65. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4525229)
Also, I have to think that if I'm walking around with my jaw wired shut, I have those wire cutters on me at all times.

I was just thinking that exact thought myself.
   66. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4525235)
Nice little passive-aggressive way of suggesting that I should be banned there. You're not the first person to try this sad little tactic by the way. It didn't work then, and I kind of doubt that it's going to work now.

It would be quite fitting if that's the last thing he ever posts...
   67. Spahn Insane Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4525236)
You can't really fault Joey; he's just igniting his October Natitude.
   68. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM (#4525237)
You can't really fault Joey; he's just igniting his October Natitude.


*golf clap*
   69. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4525238)
It would be quite fitting if that's the last thing he ever posts...


Unfortunately he's not quite as stupid as Base, Joey merely dips his toe over the line every now and then, Base would dip one toe, then another, step over and dance a jig.
   70. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM (#4525240)
The seven men in the Braves' bullpen right now have a collective 1.96 ERA and 1.057 WHIP.

Wow. Craig Kimbrel is just insanely dominant.
   71. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4525248)
His post is in the vicinity of the posts that got Rob Base banned.

My recollection is that Base was banned for incorporating the name of the Founding Primate and allegations of pedophilia into his BBTF handle, after being warned about his obnoxious behavior. Is my memory in error?
   72. bfan Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4525257)
My recollection is that Base was banned for incorporating the name of the Founding Primate and allegations of pedophilia into his BBTF handle


You can't do that, under the aura of free speech?
   73. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4525260)
Wow. Craig Kimbrel is just insanely dominant.


Last week he went two straight one-inning appearances without striking anyone out and I thought, "Is something wrong with him?"
   74. flournoy Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4525263)
Kimbrel's 1.05 ERA (to date) is only his third best in his four year career.
   75. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4525265)
Wow. Craig Kimbrel is just insanely dominant.

The Mets disagree.
   76. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:26 PM (#4525270)
Joey B. is like Gil Renard (Robert DeNiro) in The Fan. I'd be nervous if he lived in my apartment building.


Don't move into my neighborhood. My real name is G. Renard. And I was born and raised in San Francisco to boot.
   77. flournoy Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:26 PM (#4525274)
The Mets disagree.


Not really sure what that means. He blew a save against them during his five game stretch where he sucked early this year. Since then, 38 innings with one run allowed.
   78. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:26 PM (#4525277)
You can't really fault Joey; he's just igniting his October Natitude.

October Natitude, 2013.
   79. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4525290)
Not really sure what that means. He blew a save against them during his five game stretch where he sucked early this year.

That's basically what that means, yes. You needed something else? ;-)
   80. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4525291)
My recollection is that Base was banned for incorporating the name of the Founding Primate and allegations of pedophilia into his BBTF handle, after being warned about his obnoxious behavior. Is my memory in error?


He did a whole lot of that after he was banned, but IIRC the final pre-banning straw was him writing something or other unpleasant about levski.
   81. thetailor Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4525294)
Kimbrel is a given, but its amazing what they are getting from Avilan and Carpenter. I have never even heard of Carpenter.

And Luis Ayala? Are you shitting me? Come on, Baseball Gods.
   82. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4525299)
And Luis Ayala? Are you shitting me? Come on, Baseball Gods.


The Baseball Gods just broke our starting right fielder and lead-off hitter's jaw in two places. I think they've more than made up for some good work in low leverage innings by Luis Ayala.
   83. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4525304)

He did a whole lot of that after he was banned, but IIRC the final pre-banning straw was him writing something or other unpleasant about levski.


I think Jim hit a bunch of guys with a temporary ban at one time. All of the rest accepted it and returned after their BTF-imposed timeout. Base went over to some other site and started badmouthing Furtado/BTF and it descended from there. I think that was part of what got him kicked off for good.

Over the next few years, he'd make occasional late-night appearances with some Furtado-related vulgarity in his handle and try to make the last post in each Hot Topics thread.

   84. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: August 22, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4525319)
He did a whole lot of that after he was banned, but IIRC the final pre-banning straw was him writing something or other unpleasant about levski.


It's amazing how long that awfulness went on. This article kind of reminded me of those constant flame wars. At least a lot of the personal animosity on this site is more ghetto-ized into the politics threads.
   85. Sunday silence Posted: August 22, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4525347)
what's the deal on the ear flap on his helmet? I could not really see if there was much of an ear flap, it did not look like the helmets that have more pronounced flaps but maybe I just couldnt see it on the replay. Was there much of a flap on his helmet?
   86. Ron J2 Posted: August 22, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4525349)
#72 Nope. (Pretty sure you know this)

Jim is free to bad anybody for any reason. His site, his rules.

I think he's done a great job in what has to be a pretty tricky balancing act.
   87. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4525388)
I broke my jaw playing basketball when I was 21. My friend faked me out, I went up for the block, and I took his shoulder to my chin on my way down. Shattered a few teeth, and had wires put in holding a bunch of my teeth in place for 6 weeks. Thankfully, one of the other guys playing with us was the son of an oral surgeon, who met me at his office within the hour and did all the work right then. I did not have my mouth wired shut, but I had to eat soft food for those 6 weeks.

There were no lasting effects, and I resumed playing basketball and other sports a few months later. But it was years before I felt comfortable biting into an apple rather than cutting it up first. Even after the wires came out, it was hard to shake the feeling that my teeth were not firmly rooted in place.
   88. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 22, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4525428)
I remember a guy in my class in high school broke his jaw in a football game. The doctor had to wire his jaw shut. I'd see the guy at lunch, and he looked absolutely miserable, choking down soup and other soft foods. Best wishes to Heyward, I hope he returns without skipping a beat.
   89. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:02 PM (#4525438)
I think I remember Sidney Crosby saying he basically lived on protein shakes for a month while his broken jaw was healing. I imagine Heyward's experience will be similar.
   90. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 22, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4525583)
The good news is that Heyward apparently did not have to get his jaw wired shut after surgery.
   91. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 23, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4526193)
In '66 Ron Santo had a pretty good hitting streak going--20 some games--when he got hit in the face, broken jaw, wired shut. Didn't go on the DL (he played 155 games that year, a low total for him but still respectable). Doesn't look like it affected him much other than missing 7 games.

All Mets fans have an obligation to want the Braves to lose, but most of us would prefer they not get hurt in the process. There's no glory in beating an opponent who's at less than full strength. And the Mets obviously aren't in it for the money, so glory is all that's left.
   92. zonk Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4526215)
Despite all the time I've spent on it, it's increasingly clear that I just do not understand the internet...

I have never been banned from anywhere, haven't been threatened with banning, nor (to the best of my memory) has anyone ever suggested I be banned.

What am I doing wrong?

I'm actually a real dick IRL, I swear! Why doesn't it seem to translate to the internet?
   93. just plain joe Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4526219)
I'm actually a real dick IRL, I swear! Why doesn't it seem to translate to the internet?


You just need a better technique; if I were you I would see about subscribing to Joey's newsletter.
   94. zonk Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:11 PM (#4526222)
You just need a better technique; if I were you I would see about subscribing to Joey's newsletter.


Oh yeah, your MOM needs a better technique...

How was that?
   95. McCoy Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4526223)
Santo had a fractured cheekbone that was surgically repaired by wiring the bones together. Doctors said he would be out 10 to 12 days but as you noted he came back in about a week. His jaw was never wired shut during this time.
   96. Ron J2 Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4526241)
#92 How often have you edited something inflammatory out? I know I do it all the time. The internet gives me a chance to reconsider what I'd posted (and how I want to communicate the point I'm trying to make)

Best I can tell Joey doesn't have that filter (I say best I can tell because I started ignoring him quite some time ago)
   97. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4526268)
#92 How often have you edited something inflammatory out?...
Best I can tell Joey doesn't have that filter (I say best I can tell because I started ignoring him quite some time ago)


I've posted things in anger and deleted them, last time was on the OTP thread a couple of weeks ago.

The thing with Joey is that his more reprehensible comments do not appear to be driven by transient anger, he truly seems to generally be a miserable and vindictive SOB.
   98. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: August 23, 2013 at 05:07 PM (#4526374)
As a non-Joey nats fan, this sucks. Hey ward is great fun to watch when he's on.
   99. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 23, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4526377)
Crikey, McCoy, if you're gonna cheat and do research...but I suppose that was on the test you had to pass to be a Cubs fan.

Okay, no broken jaw. But closer to the eye, right? And that has to be scarier, right?

Now, how long was his hitting streak at the time of the HBP and how many games did he add after coming back?
   100. McCoy Posted: August 23, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4526404)
He got stopped at 28 games. First day back was a DH and he hot hits in both games. Blanked the next day.

He did get hit near the eye and he was worried that it had damaged the eye. It was swollen shut for most of the week and still looked gruesome when he took the field against the Pirates but apparently he could see out it.
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