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Jay Buhner tells ESPN 710 Seattle he’d “vomit’’ if Ichiro gets multi-year deal, even at huge pay cut

What the hell did you pay Ichiro for?!

Former Mariners outfielder Jay Buhner is one of the most beloved players in the history of the franchise where fan opinion is concerned. And Buhner has long been a staunch supporter of the organization and its moves, almost morphing into a goodwill ambassador of sorts.

That’s why, the interview he gave earlier today on ESPN 710 Seattle’s Brock and Salk show was, well, kind of stunning in its frankness.

When the radio hosts were talking about an Ichiro extension, Salk asked Buhner what his reaction would be if Ichiro was brought back for three years, $35 million or $40 million—which works out to just over half (well, OK, more like 60 percent on the low end and 73 percent on high end) of the salary he’s now earning.

“I’d vomit,’’ Buhner said. “I mean, really, no offense. No offense, we’ve got to get this organization turned around. You can’t be spending all the money on one guy.’‘

Buhner went on to say that he doesn’t necessarily blame Ichiro for all the team’s problems. He said he’d understand if the Mariners wanted to bring him back “as part of the equation” and have a fit on a rebuilding squad.

“But at the same time, they need help desperately,’’ Buhner said. “They need some veteran leadership in the clubhouse. Wedgie (manager Eric Wedge) can’t keep growing the beard, growing the mustache, shaving it off, that’s not the answer.’‘

Repoz Posted: July 19, 2012 at 09:20 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc and His Roster of Rubbish Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4186895)
“I’d vomit," Buhner said. “I mean, really, no offense."

These two statements do not go together.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4186909)
Ichiro could vomit every time if he wanted to.
   3. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4186918)
These two statements do not go together.


He just stating the effect and the cause!
   4. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4186920)
These two statements do not go together.


Some people are into vomit. Not my scene, but consenting adults and all that.
   5. Eddo Posted: July 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4186926)
I love the expression "I'd vomit" as a reaction.
   6. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4186928)
Ichiro could vomit every time if he wanted to.


Buhner already does this.

[The former right fielder]is a genuine character in an arena where the breed is disappearing. He could vomit on cue, one of Buhner's favorite gags.


From this article about his retirement.
   7. BDC Posted: July 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4186953)
Jay never vomits at home.
   8. Double-Spin Mechanic Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4186979)
Imagine what they'd be willing to pay him if he were as good as, say, Quintin Berry.
   9. Shredder Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4186984)
So they need veteran help in the clubhouse, but he'd vomit if they signed Ichiro, who would provide veteran help, at a big pay cut? Buhner's kind of a moron, isn't he?
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4186989)
Also, if he has one more plate of clams from Hooters.
   11. KT's Pot Arb Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4186994)
So they need veteran help in the clubhouse, but he'd vomit if they signed Ichiro, who would provide veteran help, at a big pay cut? Buhner's kind of a moron, isn't he?


Ichiro is clearly a veteran, but how do you take that and turn it into him offering "veteran help"? Is Ichiro going to work with young players on their ball slapping techniques? Is Ichiro even going to talk to team-mates? In english? Of all the veterans in the MLB, Ichiro strikes me as perhaps the absolute worst pick to provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse.

And you are assuming there was no inflection in what Buhner said. Isn't that a moronic assumption? Did he mean don't bring Ichiro back ever, or did he mean spending too money on Ichiro would make him vomit, but allows that since the team needs veteran leadership bringing Ichiro back for a reasonable amount would not make him vomit?

   12. tjm1 Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4187015)
Ichiro is clearly a veteran, but how do you take that and turn it into him offering "veteran help"? Is Ichiro going to work with young players on their ball slapping techniques? Is Ichiro even going to talk to team-mates? In english? Of all the veterans in the MLB, Ichiro strikes me as perhaps the absolute worst pick to provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse.


I don't know. Ichiro has stayed in shape and hustles all the time. In terms of setting an example of how to maximize your talents, Ichiro's pretty good. And apparently, while he doesn't like giving interviews in English, he speaks functional English, and is known for a hilarious, off-color sense of humor. Link below from an interview with Bob Costas, NSFW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtImIqR5neU
   13. tjm1 Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4187019)
Also, anyone remember this thread?

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/ichiros_speech_to_all_stars_revealed1/
   14. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: July 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4187024)
Ichiro is clearly a veteran, but how do you take that and turn it into him offering "veteran help"? Is Ichiro going to work with young players on their ball slapping techniques?

Who knows, maybe the whole team can reinvent themselves as 200-single-a-year hitters. They couldn't get much worse.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4187069)
Is Ichiro going to work with young players on their ball slapping techniques?


That's more Gaki no Tsukai's thing, isn't it?
   16. PreservedFish Posted: July 19, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4187090)
Of all the veterans in the MLB, Ichiro strikes me as perhaps the absolute worst pick to provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse.


This is an absurd exaggeration.
   17. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: July 19, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4187103)
Jay Buhner trying real hard to lobby for his hiring as a GM/manager of the M's.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 19, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4187115)
From what I understand, Ichiro won't give out advice unasked, but he's quite happy to help a young player if asked to.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4187170)

The real issue is that the team already has Ichiro's veteran leadership, and they still suck.
   20. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4187254)
I agree with Buhner. Do they want to try and make this team better, or do they want to obsess on public relations and what Nintendo wants and their Japanese tv ratings? There's no justifiable reason to do anything other than a one year deal for much less money. Who else is going to give him that..

Nothing against Ichiro, but someone who still needs an interpreter isn't going to be able to be a "veteran leader", at least in the way this term is usually meant..I guess he could have the interpreter chew out some of the younger guys for not hustling.
   21. tjm1 Posted: July 19, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4187357)
For what it's worth, both fangraphs and bbref's WAR for Ichiro this year so far are about 1.5, with both driven pretty strongly by defense.

I think a big money multi-year deal would obviously be crazy, but bringing the guy back for one year for $5 million or so would be quite reasonable.

And he can and does speak English with his teammates as well as most Latin American players do. He'd be fine without an interpreter.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4187433)
The real issue is that the team already has Ichiro's veteran leadership, and they still suck.


They might have been even worse without him. Think about that for a second.
   23. Dan The Mediocre Posted: July 19, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4187491)

They might have been even worse without him. Think about that for a second.


Yes, the 6th best organization in baseball could field a team worse than this. I'll believe it when I see it.
   24. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 19, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4187540)
Buhner is just facing reality with the zeal of an upchucker.
   25. salajander Posted: July 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4190803)
Disaster averted!

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