Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, February 19, 2010

Jays ink Jose Molina to one-year pact

And by the time he gets there it’ll be beyond dry.

MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian reports that the Blue Jays have signed catcher Jose Molina to a one-year, $400,000 contract.

The deal includes some performance-based incentives and a club option for 2011 worth $1.2 million. The 34-year-old Molina will bring solid defense to Toronto’s backup catching position, but he’s not much of a hitter. He batted just .217/.292/.268 with one home run and 11 RBI in 138 at-bats last season.

Repoz Posted: February 19, 2010 at 08:57 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. PreservedFish Posted: February 19, 2010 at 09:02 PM (#3463824)
Where were the Mets on this?
   2. Lassus Posted: February 19, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3463830)
Take it to the Branyan thread.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 19, 2010 at 09:28 PM (#3463845)
Is he the shitty one or the really shitty one?
   4. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: February 19, 2010 at 09:54 PM (#3463863)
The really shitty one. I think.
   5. Howzer Posted: February 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM (#3463878)
Does he run faster than Bengie?
   6. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 19, 2010 at 11:12 PM (#3463907)
Is this the Molina who is a catcher but weirdly isn't actually related to the other catching Molinas?
   7. Lars6788 Posted: February 19, 2010 at 11:13 PM (#3463908)
For all the #### Bengie gets [even besides the fact a snail is faster than he is] - Jose really shouldn't be on a Major League roster earning $400,000.
   8. Meatwad misses Vincennes Posted: February 19, 2010 at 11:16 PM (#3463909)
molina is so slow, he lived acorss the street from school and still had to take the bus
   9. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2010 at 11:22 PM (#3463911)
Is this the Molina who is a catcher but weirdly isn't actually related to the other catching Molinas?


That's Gustavo. Or Izzy, but he's long gone.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM (#3463917)
the chances that option is exercised are nearly as high as my chances of doing it with Megan Fox.
   11. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: February 20, 2010 at 03:14 AM (#3464035)
So... you're saying there's a chance!
   12. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: February 20, 2010 at 03:26 AM (#3464039)
It's amazing that there hasn't been a wave of decent hitters coming up who have learned to stick behind the plate. Would seem to be such a sure path to the majors for a guy who could hit, say, .270/.350/.450, but doesn't have the legs for middle infield or outfield.

Is it a case of baseball people being weirdly inclined to think that guys who can't hit can really field the position and call a game?
   13. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 20, 2010 at 03:56 AM (#3464049)
Would seem to be such a sure path to the majors for a guy who could hit, say, .270/.350/.450, but doesn't have the legs for middle infield or outfield
I think that's probably underrating how hard it is to be a catcher. Either you lose some bat from the day-in-day-out effort of it, or the physical requirements of the position trip people up.

How many players have been successfully converted to catcher? There's Posada, notably, but it seems like most of these stories--Delgado, Biggio, Zeile, etc.--are guys who either can't hack it behind the plate or are judged to be valuable enough to play elsewhere.
   14. akrasian Posted: February 20, 2010 at 04:16 AM (#3464056)
How many players have been successfully converted to catcher?

Piazza and Martin are two off the top of my head. The Dodgers seem to prefer converting catchers rather than drafting them.
   15. Tripon Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:00 AM (#3464071)
Carlos Santana is also a converted 3rd baseman to catcher.
   16. RollingWave Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:48 AM (#3464082)
Jose Molina lost some of his defensive wiz last year (the Aj Burnett thing aside) he can still throw out / pick off guys from his knees but seems to have gotten a lot worse at throwing out guys at second (or maybe it's because he's catching AJ Burnett, not exactly the textbook of holding runners on base)
   17. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:52 AM (#3464083)
I think the Molinas are 'related' in the way the Ramones were 'related'.
   18. Good cripple hitter Posted: February 20, 2010 at 06:23 AM (#3464084)
That actually might be a fun game: for a Blue Jays fan, the upcoming season will most resemble which Ramones song?

Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue?
Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment?
I Can't Give You Anything?
I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement (of the AL East)?

Given the possibilities of a lineup featuring McDonald, Molina, and Gonzalez, it's certainly not going to be Beat on the Brat.
   19. Ron Johnson Posted: February 20, 2010 at 06:48 AM (#3464087)
Is it a case of baseball people being weirdly inclined to think that guys who can't hit can really field the position and call a game?


"A catcher's perceived defensive skill tends to be inversely proportional to his hitting skill"

Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense.

And conversions to catcher have always been ... well common is the wrong word, but somebody's always trying it. Roger Bresnahan came up as a pitcher and played all over the place before settling at catcher.

Of course conversions the other way are common too. Rudy York and Carlos Delgado for instance.
   20. Snowboy Posted: February 20, 2010 at 08:13 AM (#3464098)
The contract doubles to $800,000 if he makes Opening Day.
   21. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 20, 2010 at 01:46 PM (#3464116)
Given the possibilities of a lineup featuring McDonald, Molina, and Gonzalez...

I Wanna Be Sedated.
   22. Jeff R. Posted: February 20, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3464127)
Of course conversions the other way are common too. Rudy York and Carlos Delgado for instance.


Jesus Montero in a year or two.
   23. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: February 20, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3464140)
I think that's probably underrating how hard it is to be a catcher. Either you lose some bat from the day-in-day-out effort of it, or the physical requirements of the position trip people up.


Could be. It may be that there's some fuzzy line above which you can hit enough to play first or left field, and below which your hitting skills gradually (or not so gradually) become Jose Molina's. Or at least, say, Brian Schneider's.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: February 20, 2010 at 08:10 PM (#3464262)
I think the logic mainly goes like this:

a) if you've got a guy who can hit well enough to play 1B/LF/RF/DH in the majors, why risk screwing him up by moving him to C?
b) if you've got a guy who can hit and field well enough to play 3B/SS/2B/CF in the majors, why risk screwing him up by moving him to C?

So the most viable pool is guys who are maybe in the 95-105 OPS+ range but aren't capable of playing 3B/SS/2B/CF. So you'd be converting 4th OF and slow 2B mainly. In and of itself, that sounds like a decent gamble. The question is what are the chances that a 23-year-old AAAA LF can learn to play C quickly enough to be of use (given options, minor-league FA, rule 5, etc.). Rightly or wrongly, the last 100+ years of baseball has made it pretty clear that teams HATE putting bad defensive Cs on the field unless they can really hit.

The exception to (a) and perhaps especially (b) is if your team is already so deep at a player's position (and weak at C) that you make that shift.

Anyway, a bit like taking up the knuckleball, it seems something of a move of last resort. You don't have the bat for LF, you don't have the glove for IF, if you ever want to make the majors...
   25. MFS Posted: February 20, 2010 at 08:32 PM (#3464275)

I Wanna Be Sedated.


Really...how the hell did he miss that?

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
HowardMegdal
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogSadly, We've Lost Another Primate
(82 - 1:39pm, Mar 30)
Last: Der-K is at half whelm.

NewsblogChicago Cubs Kris Bryant and the service-time game | FOX Sports
(111 - 1:37pm, Mar 30)
Last: zonk

NewsblogNew York Mets still open to trading Dillon Gee despite Zack Wheeler injury - ESPN New York
(1 - 1:35pm, Mar 30)
Last: Arbitol Dijaler

NewsblogThe MLBPA Has a Problem | FanGraphs Baseball
(13 - 1:30pm, Mar 30)
Last: John Northey

NewsblogU.S. union stands behind minor-league baseball players | Toronto Star
(19 - 1:25pm, Mar 30)
Last: akrasian

NewsblogWSJ - For Ichiro Suzuki, 41 Is the New 25 in Miami
(12 - 1:21pm, Mar 30)
Last: Ron J2

NewsblogBBTF 2015 Shooty Memorial Softball Meet-up!
(52 - 1:18pm, Mar 30)
Last: Rickey! is just here so he don't get fined

NewsblogArizona Diamondbacks encouraged by Yoan Lopez's progress
(1 - 1:16pm, Mar 30)
Last: ReggieThomasLives

NewsblogOT: Soccer March 2015
(452 - 1:15pm, Mar 30)
Last: Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun)

NewsblogOTP - March 2015: You’re out, tobacco: Bill would ban products at all California baseball venues
(3630 - 1:15pm, Mar 30)
Last: Bitter Mouse

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-30-2015
(8 - 1:13pm, Mar 30)
Last: vortex of dissipation

NewsblogDefiant CC Sabathia doesn’t give a ‘f–k’ about poor spring outings | New York Post
(57 - 1:11pm, Mar 30)
Last: bbmck

NewsblogJohnson has edge in second-base competition | whitesox.com
(1 - 1:09pm, Mar 30)
Last: RoyalsRetro (AG#1F)

NewsblogJosh Hamilton and C.J. Wilson banners removed from Angel Stadium entrance
(14 - 1:04pm, Mar 30)
Last: Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play

NewsblogThis week’s must-read books | New York Post
(1 - 12:50pm, Mar 30)
Last: Mark Armour

Page rendered in 0.2756 seconds
48 querie(s) executed