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Saturday, December 22, 2012

Jeff Pearlman: Robin Yount

Makes you wonder if it really was Straw, Doc, Mookie, Nails, and The Kid.

Years and years ago, when I was first writing for Sports Illustrated, I was assigned to cover a senior golf event somewhere in Arizona. Now, I knew nothing about golf. Absolutely nothing. So, because the intricacies both confused and bored me, I aimed for color. Outfits, looks, sayings, glares, etc. While watching someone hit a ball, I noticed a loud, large, ugly heckler. He was, as I recall, quite the obnoxious guy—and he was wearing a blue Milwaukee Brewers cap. In my piece, I referred to him as “Robin Yount.” Not as the real, literal Robin Yount, obviously, but as a schlub in a Brewers cap. “Robin Yount”—ha! Get it.

Anyhow, I should have used Yount’s name in quotes. Or italics. Or … something. Because, a couple of days after the story ran, I was home in Mahopac, visiting my folks, when the phone rang. My mom answered.

“Jeff,” she said, “someone named Robin Yount is on the phone.”

Hahahaha.

“No, really.”

Glub.

I picked up. It was Robin Yount. The Robin Yount. “Mr. Pearlman,” he said, “why do you have me looking like an ass at a golf tournament in Arizona that I didn’t even attend?”

Uh … I tried explaining. It was “Robin Yount,” not Robin Yount. You know, you’re the most famous Brewer, and this tool was in a Brewer cap and … and … ha! Get it! Like, a joke, Robin. Funny, funny, funny …

He wasn’t laughing. But, to his credit, he was understanding-ish. “I don’t totally get it,” he said, “but clearly you weren’t trying to hurt anyone.”

The magazine ran a correction in the ensuing issue; something along the lines of, “The Robin Yount identified in the recent Golf Plus piece was not, actually, Robin Yount.”

I felt 3-inches tall.

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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 22, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4331014)
So, because the intricacies both confused and bored me, I aimed for color.


"So instead of learning about the game and writing a meaningful story I just took the easy way out." Attaboy Jeff.
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 22, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4331022)
another reason to like yount. he got to make pearl jam feel bad
   3. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: December 22, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4331026)
How can you write about sports for a living -- for Sports Frickin' Illustrated, no less -- and know nothing about golf? I mean, what's to know? Guys hit a little white ball down a patch of grass and into a hole. They often wear loud outfits. A couple of dudes named Jack and Arnold are pretty good. It ain't rocket science.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: December 22, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4331041)
and know nothing about golf?


Because you grew up liking sports...and golf isn't a ####### sport.
(It's a sport in the same way the Jeff Loria is a human being, yes technically both comments are true, but to many, golf is not a sport, it's a pastime.)
   5. bob gee Posted: December 22, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4331045)
so jeff pearlman knew nothing about golf, and wrote an article about it.

years later, seems some things never change.
   6. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 22, 2012 at 07:16 PM (#4331060)
"So instead of learning about the game and writing a meaningful story I just took the easy way out." Attaboy Jeff.


No kidding.

I teach in a Music Department at a small University for a living. There are times I am asked to teach a class outside of my direct expertise, so I - you know - do some hard work before I write the syllabus and get in front of the class.

I create PAGES of notes, analyses, discussion topics, ideas, etc. so that when I am teaching the course, while I am not THE expert on the topic - I am able to work my way through a course and teach the undergrads what they need to know about what it is they are trying to learn.

It would never occur to me to find some other way to do the job. The ONLY answer is to buck up and learn the thing that needs to be taught. I don't understand folks who find ways to avoid work while picking up a paycheck.
   7. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 22, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4331095)
Because you grew up liking sports...and golf isn't a ####### sport.


Of course it isn't.

I know nothing about Jeff Pearlman, but from the above I can tell he didn't grow up rich & traipsing to a country club to hang out with Muffy & Buffy & Tuffy. And while he may be rich now (at least compared to me ... then again, so, I swear, are most people here, or so it sometimes seems), at least he apparently doesn't go drink at country clubs with a bunch of useless wastes of space.

   8. Walt Davis Posted: December 22, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4331106)
I'll go out on a limb and guess that the SI editor sent Pearlman to write exactly the type of article that he wrote. You don't give Pearlman an assignment where you want factual reporting or good analysis or John Updike ... you send him out to write snark so the rest of America can laugh at fat dudes from the Midwest.

The NY Times trots out Dowd and Collins 4 times a week to do the same thing. It's not an accident.
   9. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4331128)
I recently read an article about a hunter shooting another hunter and they called the doofus that shot his friend "Robin Yount."

Wait, what?
   10. Darren Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4331140)
I'm confused here. Did Pearlman really write an article where he identified some jerk as Robin Yount, who wasn't really Robin Yount? Not "Robin Yount" or "Some-Robin-Yount-Lookin' Jerk" or "Fat Robin Yount"? He just called him Robin Yount with no other explanation and SI was forced to print a retraction? And no copyeditor queried him on this? And Pearlman kept working there?
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4331149)
darren

that is my reading of the article
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4331155)
I'm confused here. Did Pearlman really write an article where he identified some jerk as Robin Yount, who wasn't really Robin Yount? Not "Robin Yount" or "Some-Robin-Yount-Lookin' Jerk" or "Fat Robin Yount"? He just called him Robin Yount with no other explanation and SI was forced to print a retraction? And no copyeditor queried him on this? And Pearlman kept working there?


Yes, that's the proper takeaway (I can't say for sure that Pearlman's account of his own story is entirely accurate, primarily because Jeff Pearlman hasn't given me any reason to believe anything he writes). But yes, he decided it would be cool to ID this gent as Robin Yount, thinking that no one could possibly think that he meant he was Robin Yount. Ever the embarrassment, that guy.

   13. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4331158)
Aw, come on guys, of course if you explain the joke it's always going to come out sounding like feeble witlessness and slovenly dereliction. But you had to be there. Except for Robin Yount.
   14. J.R. Wolf Posted: December 22, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4331187)
IMO golf isn't a sport and IMO Pearlman isn't a reporter.
   15. Guapo Posted: December 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4331198)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012590/1/index.htm

Link to article. It is, to say the least, confusing. Can't believe the editor kept it in.
   16. Srul Itza Posted: December 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4331209)
What makes it hilarious is that the version on line (a) does not bear the correction and (b) hyperlinks on the Yount name to other SI articles about Robin Yount, making it look like they still really mean it was Robin Yount.

HEY SI -- it's the internet -- you can put the correction right next to Article if you want.
   17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4331217)
I still am waiting to meet or hear from one person who has a bad thing to say about Robin Yount. That's a small club of athletes.
   18. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4331227)
Robin Yount is a ########. There ya go.
   19. The District Attorney Posted: December 23, 2012 at 12:01 AM (#4331239)
I'm sure that, fairly or not, some non-complimentary things were written about Yount when he threatened to quit baseball to play -- wait for it -- golf.

But yes, a fine gentleman so far as I know.
   20. Lassus Posted: December 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM (#4331259)
I know nothing about Jeff Pearlman, but from the above I can tell he didn't grow up rich & traipsing to a country club to hang out with Muffy & Buffy & Tuffy. And while he may be rich now (at least compared to me ... then again, so, I swear, are most people here, or so it sometimes seems), at least he apparently doesn't go drink at country clubs with a bunch of useless wastes of space.

This is the grumpy betraying a lack of knowledge. I grew up in rural/industrial nowhere, played golf pretty much every day of my life from about 14 to 18 on public courses, quite a bit since, know just about everything there is to know about golf, and haven't spent a day rich in my life and maybe five rounds in 25 years at a country club.

Pearlman grew in a Hudson Valley suburb of Manhattan, Mahopac NY.
The hamlet of Mahopac encircles a picturesque 587-acre (238 ha) lake, from which it draws its name. The lake contains three islands, Fairy, Petre, and Canopus, all privately owned. Fairy Island sports multiple homes accessible via a short causeway; Petre boasts a single Frank Lloyd Wright-designed residence, the A. K. Chahroudi Cottage; and Canopus has undeveloped land available for purchase. Boating, fishing and other water sports are permitted on the lake. Slips and support services are provided by two marinas.
He may not have cared about golf, but I have little doubt there were Muffys, Buffys, and country clubs galore in his upbringing.
   21. J.R. Wolf Posted: December 23, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4331280)
One of my relatives isn't rich, but weather and location permitting he has played 36 holes of golf every day from about age 12 on. You don't have to be rich to play golf, there are public courses, university courses, military courses, etc. that can be played for next to nothing. Plus these days he plays on his company's team so he even gets PAID to play sometimes, and at some really fancy courses.
   22. J.R. Wolf Posted: December 23, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4331284)
You guys do know that Robin Yount shot Dake Sveum, right?

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/12/4/3730094/dale-sveum-shot-robin-yount
   23. Howie Menckel Posted: December 23, 2012 at 01:29 AM (#4331300)
"Years and years ago, when I was first writing for Sports Illustrated, I was assigned to cover a senior golf event somewhere in Arizona. Now, I knew nothing about golf. Absolutely nothing."

I'm not sure which astonishes me more - the utter stupidity of the assignment and the execution, or the willingness of the author to write about it years later with a less than complete sense of shame.

Well, ashamed about the Yount confusion, but not about his apparent unwillingness to do much/any homework in spite of the standards at the time of the place that employed him. Even granting it to be a "fish out of water" piece, that doesn't mean you should skip even understanding a little what dry land you just landed upon.


   24. JJ1986 Posted: December 23, 2012 at 01:34 AM (#4331304)
Petre boasts a single Frank Lloyd Wright-designed residence, the A. K. Chahroudi Cottage;


My uncle lives across the water from this.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: December 23, 2012 at 01:45 AM (#4331311)
He may not have cared about golf, but I have little doubt there were Muffys, Buffys, and country clubs galore in his upbringing.


I know nothing of Pearlman's upbringing, but nobody's confusing Mahopac with Scarsdale or Armonk despite its flowery Wikipedia entry. It would very easy to grow up there without any kind of country club background (I say this as someone who grew up not terribly far from Jeffy without any country club experiences of any kind, and I never met a Muffy or a Buffy until I moved to the Midwest. I do like to play golf though).

   26. McCoy Posted: December 23, 2012 at 02:02 AM (#4331319)
One of my relatives isn't rich, but weather and location permitting he has played 36 holes of golf every day from about age 12 on. You don't have to be rich to play golf, there are public courses, university courses, military courses, etc. that can be played for next to nothing. Plus these days he plays on his company's team so he even gets PAID to play sometimes, and at some really fancy courses.

You don't have to be rich to afford a membership to a golf course but you kind of have to have a lifestyle that can afford to devote over a quarter of your day to playing golf every single day.
   27. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 23, 2012 at 02:43 AM (#4331333)
I played more golf rounds per year when I was single, near broke and not a homeowner than at any point in my life. In fact they year I played about 180 rounds, I probably took home maybe $5k that year (in school, played 5 days a week after work during summer, while working at a law firm). I make gobs more money now, but own a home and have kids, and played maybe six rounds this year. The lifestyle as noted by McCoy is everything when playing golf.
   28. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 23, 2012 at 06:28 AM (#4331351)
Golf is great.

Not the PGA tour and all the crap and millions that go along with it, but playing. You and the shot. Knowing that however you hit it would say something about you. A bad slice banging off a tree says something almost definitive about your character. A long iron that holds the green, though, hints that life might actually be something you could get good at. I got the bug when I was thirteen and fourteen years old and during summers I slung my bag across my back and biked the five or seven miles to one of two public courses in the county I grew up in. The green fee was three bucks, and when I didn't have three bucks I'd steal onto a private course closer to my house, a few miles away, but it was patrolled by a gargantuan fat man in an electric cart who chased me off the course with real anger, even on a weekday early in the afternoon when the course was almost empty.

.
   29. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 23, 2012 at 06:33 AM (#4331352)
Golf is a field in which entities with names like Davis Love III are considered stars. And in which entities can dress like Payne Stewart (who I guess is dead, unless I'm confusing him with someone else, in which case who cares) & not be beaten into unconsciousness on general principles.

That is all.
   30. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 23, 2012 at 07:50 AM (#4331354)
The problem with golf is that it often requires you to get up and leave the house at ungodly hours, which is why I never pursued it once I discovered the infinitely better atmosphere of smoke-filled pool rooms. But the idea that you have to be rich to play isn't true at all, at least not in areas with public courses, of which there are about 8000 in the country.

And of course it's a sport. It takes an extraordinary amount of skill to master, plus self-control up the wazoo. AFAICT 99% of the people who slam it have either never played it or tried it once or twice and realized it's an impossible sport to pick up right away. And if being associated with rich people disqualifies a sport, then what in the hell can you say about baseball and football, with their multi-millionaire benchwarmers and their best seats occupied exclusively by fat cats looking for tax deductions?
   31. dejarouehg Posted: December 23, 2012 at 07:59 AM (#4331356)
Not sure which is a bigger sport or pastime: golf or denigrating Pearlman. I wonder how many contributors to this site are as successful. Getting a writing gig at SI is not only equivlaent to making the bigs, but being an All Star in that world.

Robin Yount is a ########.
I thought he was a #########. I think ######## is putting it mildly.


I recently read an article about a hunter shooting another hunter and they called the doofus that shot his friend "Robin Yount."
Robin Yount or Dick Cheney, I love these cartoon stories. Nothing better than seeing a hunter on the wrong side of the bullet.
   32. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: December 23, 2012 at 08:01 AM (#4331357)
I don't understand folks who find ways to avoid work while picking up a paycheck.

That describes about half of the country now. (And with four more years of Obama, that number's only gonna go up.)
   33. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: December 23, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4331358)
When I was a journalist in the Air Force, my editor sent me out to cover a service-wide racquetball tournament that was occurring on base. I told him I'd never played racquetball, never saw a racquetball match and had no idea about any of the strategies or jargon associated with the game. He told me "I don't have to kill somebody to cover a murder".
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: December 23, 2012 at 08:46 AM (#4331359)
"Getting a writing gig at SI is not only equivlaent to making the bigs, but being an All Star in that world."

This would be more an example of being a 1st-round pick based on perceived talent as a SS, then being told you're next Tuesday's starting pitcher - and showing up on the mound that night without having bothered to learn how to toe the rubber, and walking the first four guys while also balking them around the bases.

Whatever results may have come later (I realize there are a lot of Pearlman bashers here, but I am not one of them), no one voted him to any All-Star teams for this one...



   35. Lassus Posted: December 23, 2012 at 08:57 AM (#4331361)
I know nothing of Pearlman's upbringing, but nobody's confusing Mahopac with Scarsdale or Armonk despite its flowery Wikipedia entry. It would very easy to grow up there without any kind of country club background (I say this as someone who grew up not terribly far from Jeffy without any country club experiences of any kind, and I never met a Muffy or a Buffy until I moved to the Midwest. I do like to play golf though).

I will gladly defer and retract my "galore". Still, it ain't Wappingers.


That describes about half of the country now. (And with four more years of Obama, that number's only gonna go up.)

I hate when liberals and Albert Belle hijack baseball threads with their liberal agenda.
   36. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: December 23, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4331364)
I know nothing of Pearlman's upbringing, but nobody's confusing Mahopac with Scarsdale or Armonk despite its flowery Wikipedia entry.

I've been to Mahopac a few times, covering high school football playoff games. It's nice enough in a bland sort of a way, similar to the quiet little town across the Hudson I call home.

I hate when liberals and Albert Belle hijack baseball threads with their liberal agenda.

And Mike Crudale.
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 23, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4331373)
The really implausIble part of this piece was the part where Jeff Pearlman felt ashamed.
   38. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: December 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4331375)
"Years and years ago" = 1998? OK...

What makes it hilarious is that the version on line (a) does not bear the correction and (b) hyperlinks on the Yount name to other SI articles about Robin Yount, making it look like they still really mean it was Robin Yount.


Also hilarious is that, a couple paragraphs later in the original article, he describes one of the golfers as looking like Sparky Lyle.

Agreed that the original article is nearly incomprehensible. It's not a fish out of water piece, and of course Pearlman's wrong that it's about color, outfits, looks, sayings, glares, etc.

Not knowing much about golf myself, it sure seems like he's at least credibly faking it here:

He jerked his four-iron tee shot left of left, over the heads of some spectators and into a water hazard. Instant double bogey. After Morgan, his playing partner, parred the hole, Wargo's lead was gone and the game was on. "That hurt because it wasn't smart golf," said Wargo, "but it probably wasn't what killed me." The killers came a few holes later, at the 11th and 12th, which Wargo bogeyed and Morgan birdied.


   39. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 23, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4331590)
I don't understand folks who find ways to avoid work while picking up a paycheck.

That describes about half of the country now. (And with four more years of Obama, that number's only gonna go up.)


True. His willingness to allow corporate subsidies and corporate welfare to increase is dismaying indeed.
   40. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 23, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4331643)
IMO golf isn't a sport

Of course it isn't. What it is though, is an awesome excuse to ride around in a little car, drink beer and smoke cigars, all whilst being outdoors in a pleasant environment. The golf is superfluous to the whole experience. I "golf" about 5 times a year and it's a hoot.
   41. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 23, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4331644)
Golf is a field in which entities with names like Davis Love III are considered stars.


Whereas Robert Griffin III, that's not a country club preppy name at all.
   42. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 23, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4331679)
Golf is a field in which entities with names like Davis Love III are considered stars.


As opposed to Curtis Montague Schilling or Francis Asbury Tarkenton or Julius Winfield Erving II?
   43. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 23, 2012 at 11:26 PM (#4331737)
I played more golf rounds per year when I was single, near broke and not a homeowner than at any point in my life.


There's nothing like a career and family to curtail your golfing ambitions. The summer when I was 21, I played probably five days a week. Didn't have a job and neither did my buddies. We went out and played golf many weekday afternoons - Robert, the guy in the pro shop, would let us go out and play 18 for $3 each and, I assume, pocketed the money for himself. I'm from rural Kentucky. Believe me, all golf isn't Bushwood Country Club.
   44. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 23, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4331749)
Believe me, all golf isn't Bushwood Country Club.
Ain't that the truth. A lot of public courses skimp on sand traps or keep them rock hard to keep foursomes moving and those ten dollar greens fees rolling in.
   45. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 23, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4331752)
As opposed to Curtis Montague Schilling or Francis Asbury Tarkenton or Julius Winfield Erving II?


I don't recall any of those guys using those names when they played. As for Robert Griffin III, I of course don't regard the NFL as a sport, either -- it's professional wrestling crossed with gambling.

I have 2 friends here (well, one ... the other one unfortunately died about 4 years ago) who are IIIs, as it happens. It would never occur to them to be such asshats as to actually use that in their daily lives. I can only assume that Robert Griffin III suffered severe brain damage at some point (a very safe bet, since he's a football player).
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: December 24, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4331773)
"I can only assume that Robert Griffin III suffered severe brain damage at some point (a very safe bet, since he's a football player)."

If so, he must have kicked Stephen Hawking's ass at chess before the brain damage, if you know anything about Griffin (which you don't).

per wiki, granting that Baylor is a football factory (fyi, it isn't)

"Griffin graduated in three years with a degree in political science and a 3.67 GPA, while appearing on the Dean's List twice. During his final year of college sports eligibility, he was studying for a Master's degree in communication."

This after this son of two U.S. Army sergeants graduated from high school a semester early.

what a dullard



   47. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 24, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4331775)
If he willingly goes by "Robert Griffin III," something the #### is wrong with him. I suppose some form of autism is possible; those guys are often pretty bright, seems like.
   48. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 24, 2012 at 12:45 AM (#4331777)
Thanks for putting a little sanity into the Griffin discussion, Howie. Not that it'll likely do any good. Between gef's pidgin psychoanalyzing of Griffin's name and that ESPN clown's ranting about how he's "not really black", I can see that the authenticity police are out in full force.

-------------------------------------------------

If he willingly goes by "Robert Griffin III," something the #### is wrong with him. I suppose some form of autism is possible; those guys are often pretty bright, seems like.

Or maybe he's just close to his father and wears the name proudly. What a crime.

   49. Baldrick Posted: December 24, 2012 at 01:33 AM (#4331791)
And of course it's a sport. It takes an extraordinary amount of skill to master, plus self-control up the wazoo.

I agree, Starcraft is definitely a sport.
   50. greenback calls it soccer Posted: December 24, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4331794)
ESPN clown's ranting about how he's "not really black"

One of the great things about Twitter is getting your introduction to the latest pop culture topics via the Iron Sheik.
   51. The District Attorney Posted: December 24, 2012 at 01:45 AM (#4331795)
Jeff Pearlman, old country way or new country way?
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: December 24, 2012 at 01:58 AM (#4331799)

wait, did you guys miss Maureen Dowd's psychotic 'RG III re Obama' column?

it's a tired right-wing meme, but it's the one case where, 'can you imagine if a righty compared a black athlete to a black President' angle might actually fit:

bonus material is Pierce's vivisection:

http://dc.sbnation.com/2012/11/27/3697474/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-maureen-dowd-charles-p-pierce
   53. Walt Davis Posted: December 24, 2012 at 04:42 AM (#4331829)
plus self-control up the wazoo.

Tantric golf?

For crying out loud Howie, I already mentioned her once; if anybody says her name a third time, she's gonna show up in the thread.
   54. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 24, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4331847)
wait, did you guys miss Maureen Dowd's psychotic 'RG III re Obama' column?

I just did. What's the big deal about it? It was just Dowd being her usual free-associating self. It was a silly column, but hardly worth a reaction like Pierce's.
   55. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM (#4331866)
Or maybe he's just close to his father and wears the name proudly. What a crime.


I'm going to pretend that his dad was sports anchor Bob Griffin on one of the Shreveport stations when I was growing up. He also hosted a cartoon show called "Bob & His Buddies," & his schtick was a talking alligator named Orville who lived in his straw hat.

Granted, they don't look a thing alike -- Bob, for starters, is white -- but still.

   56. jingoist Posted: December 24, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4331923)
It seems that Robin Yount has left the building, only to replaced by RGIII.

By the way, RGIII is the nickname that he seems to be OK with; but he does respond positively to Robert as well.

I wish each of you BTF posters the very best of both health and happiness in the coming years.

Enjoy this season in whichever way it most pleases you.

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