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Friday, January 17, 2014

Jeopardy! Hall Of Fame Answer Goes Horribly Wrong

354 wins did not overcome the controversy as this ex-Red Sox pitcher didn’t make the Hall of Fame cut in 2013. Who is Mark McGwire? (Trebek snorts mockingly.)

The other contestants responded with “Who is Pete Rose?” and “Who is Curt Schilling?” Hey, at least one of those guys was an ex-Red Sox pitcher. Or a pitcher at all! [WABC]

I lost on Jeopardy, baby…

plim Posted: January 17, 2014 at 04:53 PM | 140 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. God Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4641257)
I guess Claudia Perry wasn't on this episode...
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4641279)
Who is Dankey Kang?
   3. Brian White Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4641281)
"You don't even get a lousy copy of our home game. You're a complete loser!"
   4. BDC Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4641287)
WHO IS CY YOUNG
   5. plim Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4641288)
kudos to Brian White on the reference!

btw, Trebek's response at the end is priceless
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4641291)
Trebek's response at the end is priceless

Did it transcend the boundary between fury and repose?
   7. Moeball Posted: January 17, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4641303)
Oh, wow, Lisa must absolutely hate it when she sees women like this...
   8. Rob_Wood Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4641320)

What was the category and how much was the question worth? I am guessing that nobody chose another question from that category.
   9. EddieA Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4641321)
Their performance wasn't that bad. They all 3 named baseball players not in the Hall of
Fame who would be on the list of the 200 top players. One even got a Red Sox pitcher. If I ever get on Jeopardy, I hope I'm playing 2 women and there's a sports category. I've seen a 3-woman game where there was a college basketball coach category they were shut out on. In another game, a man defeated two women solely because he had no competition in the "Red Sox it to me" category - the only even close to difficult question being about Hideo Nomo. I remember a woman getting credit for the answer for the man who hit 755 home runs but pronouncing the name A-roan, which entertained Alex a bit. Good she had read some list.
   10. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4641324)
I remember a woman getting credit for the answer for the man who hit 755 home runs but pronouncing the name A-roan, which entertained Alex a bit.


She was unfamiliar with the name "Aaron"? Where do they find these idiots? I've never been much of a game-show watcher, but my limited exposure to Jeopardy led me to surmise that people pretty much had to be of at least average intelligence to reach the televised rounds.
   11. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4641326)
   12. Walt Davis Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4641327)
I'm sure you guys would rock the fashion category.

And the lady's plumbing category.
   13. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4641328)
Now I'm going to go home, and put a gun in my mouth.
   14. Adward Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4641329)
Chicks dig the long ball.
   15. Del B. Vista Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4641332)
Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?
   16. baerga1 Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4641338)
I happened to be watching Jeopardy last night for the first time in years. I was laughing too hard to hear the second answer so I was furiously searching online... and lo and behold the video is posted here. Thanks for that.

Mildly disappointed that the second answer is somewhat reasonable..
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4641341)
What is Mt Suvius?
   18. BDC Posted: January 17, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4641342)
My mother, who hated baseball, had a standing answer ready for any trivia thing that involved baseball: Babe Ruth. I was amazed at how often that succeeded, at boardgames like Trivial Pursuit or Facts in Five, or TV quiz shows. Come to think of it, he's a Red Sox pitcher too.

If you are playing Trivial Pursuit in Britain, "WG Grace" is equally useful.
   19. Davo Dozier Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4641346)
18--I use "Wayne Gretzky" for every single hockey question. And I'm a guy. Who watches sports!
   20. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4641353)
You do have to be pretty good to get on Jeopardy. The initial test is a 50 question bit administered like once a year, you have to get something like 40 right to even be invited to the audition. The questions are not that easy, I auditioned this year and probably got only about 80% right- and I've beaten Jeopardy champions head to head in my online trivia league. At the audition you go through a second knowledge test, then a screen test play part of a round of Jeopardy and give you anecdote.

Also, just because some women didn't get the answer doesn't call for the mildly sexist responses. I know a ton of women who would have nailed that question.
   21. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4641354)
Civil War: Who is Stonewall Jackson?
   22. Dale Sams Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:33 PM (#4641356)
"I'll bet your mother takes injections in the butt, Trebek!"
   23. pthomas Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4641357)
What is a vegan?
   24. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4641359)
She was unfamiliar with the name "Aaron"? Where do they find these idiots?


Substitute teachers from the inner-city?

Which, of course, leads to my favourite sketch from Key & Peele.
   25. EddieA Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:49 PM (#4641362)
I asked my mother who knows something about baseball and she had answered "Manny Ramirez" because she keyed on Red Sox when formulating her answer. She correctly remembered Roger Clemens as a Yankee pitcher.

<20> Where is your online trivia league? think I might like to participate in something like that if it doesn't require too much investment.
   26. God Posted: January 17, 2014 at 07:51 PM (#4641364)
I remember a woman getting credit for the answer for the man who hit 755 home runs but pronouncing the name A-roan, which entertained Alex a bit.

"A-roan"? Obviously she thought Rodriguez had already broken Hank's record.
   27. tfbg9 Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4641367)
Also, just because some women didn't get the answer doesn't call for the mildly sexist responses. I know a ton of women who would have nailed that question.


Wait, suggesting that men care more about dumb stuff like sports is "mildly sexist"? I did not know that.

/scratches self, burps
   28. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4641368)
Which, of course, leads to my favourite sketch from Key & Peele.


That is a truly great sketch. They have some others that challenge it, though (inner city wizard school, for example)

Which, of course, leads to my favourite sketch from Key & Peele.


Learned League. It's invite only, and because the answers are google-able the person inviting you is on the hook if you get caught violating the honor code (cheating would also take the fun out of the league). Also has membership dues after the rookie season and strict forfeit rules (miss more than 3 days in any of the five week seasons and you're barred from the next season).
   29. BDC Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4641373)
I know a ton of women who would have nailed that question

My godmother, were she alive, would have shot it dead. Ex-BDC would have wrestled it to the ground, too. My mother would have guessed Babe Ruth, though, and La Dernière would have guessed "Beltre" because that's the only baseball shirt I own.
   30. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:21 PM (#4641382)
You do have to be pretty good to get on Jeopardy. The initial test is a 50 question bit administered like once a year, you have to get something like 40 right to even be invited to the audition. The questions are not that easy, I auditioned this year and probably got only about 80% right- and I've beaten Jeopardy champions head to head in my online trivia league. At the audition you go through a second knowledge test, then a screen test play part of a round of Jeopardy and give you anecdote.

The generally accepted total to get right on the online test is 35+. Then, people who achieved that get randomly selected to audition (as far as anyone knows, your actual score doesn't matter as long as it's 35+), from which contestants are selected. I auditioned in '08 but wasn't selected. I got either 43 or 44 right on this year's test so I'm in the pool to be randomly selected for an audition...
   31. Perry Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4641384)
You do have to be pretty good to get on Jeopardy.


Yup. My lawyer daughter who's sharp as a tack, well-read and got 800 on her verbal SAT was on about 5 years ago -- led at halftime but ultimately didn't win. It has to do as much with your buzzer skills and luck of the draw as to what categories come up that day as anything. She went down in flames on something like "70s music" IIRC. Didn't know who wrote the Theme From Shaft, but then how many people born in 1982 would?
   32. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4641387)
Paging snapper...
   33. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4641389)
Didn't know who wrote the Theme From Shaft, but then how many people born in 1982 would?

1984 and I do...
   34. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: January 17, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4641390)
I was on in 1998, bombed the final Jeopardy question. One of those deals where I just didn't know it, which I guess is better than freezing up on something you should ace. The descriptions above of the audition process are accurate, or were then. The whole thing was a fun and positive experience and remains a topic that people are generally eager to hear about.
   35. Don Malcolm Posted: January 17, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4641402)
Of course they got it wrong...everyone knows that starting pitcher wins are useless!!!
   36. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 17, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4641403)
Didn't know who wrote the Theme From Shaft, but then how many people born in 1982 would?

1984 and I do...

She only knew him as Chef.
   37. JLAC is engulfed in a harmless burst of flame Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:00 PM (#4641408)
If I ever get on Jeopardy, I hope I'm playing 2 women and there's a sports category.


Yeah, I'll keep an eye out for ya there, champ.
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4641409)
Paging snapper...

Yes?
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4641412)

I just assumed that was another sexist remark
   40. Cblau Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:40 PM (#4641414)
On the other hand, I asked a group of a dozen or so pretty knowledgeable baseball fans what Clemens' first name is, and none of them knew it wasn't Roger.
   41. AndrewJ Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:40 PM (#4641415)
My dad filled out the written test to be a Jeopardy! contestant back in the Art Fleming/Don Pardo era, but was never asked to audition. My aunt passed the audition in 2000 and actually made it to the pool of potential contestants, but wasn't promoted after the requisite six month (or one year) timeframe so she was thrown back in the general population. And an old family friend took the written test and got something like a 97 -- but the show demands contestants score between 60 and 90... anybody too smart would come off like Charles Van Doren or Herb Stempel.
   42. base ball chick Posted: January 17, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4641419)
Moeball Posted: January 17, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4641303)

Oh, wow, Lisa must absolutely hate it when she sees women like this...


- they managed to name actual baseball players
i don't know anything about football or hockey and have only general knowledge about basketball

if they asked me who scored the most touchdowns in football i wouldn't know
   43. eric Posted: January 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4641421)
My mother, who hated baseball, had a standing answer ready for any trivia thing that involved baseball: Babe Ruth. I was amazed at how often that succeeded, at boardgames like Trivial Pursuit or Facts in Five, or TV quiz shows. Come to think of it, he's a Red Sox pitcher too.

If you are playing Trivial Pursuit in Britain, "WG Grace" is equally useful.


I do this for trivia questions involving architects. Frank Lloyd Wright has worked every time but one, so far.
   44. flournoy Posted: January 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4641422)
On the other hand, I asked a group of a dozen or so pretty knowledgeable baseball fans what Clemens' first name is, and none of them knew it wasn't Roger.


Define "pretty knowledgeable."
   45. God Posted: January 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4641426)

if they asked me who scored the most touchdowns in football i wouldn't know


Neither would I, and I'm a dude. I don't follow the NFL at all. If I had to guess at the answer to Lisa's question, I'd guess ... uh ... Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders? I really have no idea. Though I'm guessing those answers aren't quite as dumb as the ladies' guesses above.
   46. God Posted: January 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4641427)
So I just posed this question to my mother who knows nothing about baseball. It took her about 3 seconds to answer "Roger Clemens."
   47. Morty Causa Posted: January 17, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4641430)
Some things women as a race/species/class tend to be deficient in: baseball, sports in general, and an appreciation of The Three Stooges and the Warner Brothers classic cartoons. They more than make up for it, though, in other stuff they know and have a daunting command of.
   48. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM (#4641434)
I know it is juvenile, but every time I see a post like #46, I think "God has a Mother? Whoa. Well of course SHE knows the answer." (In a Bill & Ted type voice, of course).
   49. OCF Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4641437)
I was watching this when it happened, and noticed that yeah, they don't know baseball. They were still pretty sharp on other things.

In working crossword puzzles, if the baseball names you know are Ott and Alou, you're basically set.
   50. asinwreck Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4641438)
If Clemens was famous, he'd be in the Hall. This is proof he doesn't belong.
   51. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4641440)
In the original Genus Edition of Trivial Pursuit, any sports question I don't know the answer to is probably either Sonja Henie or Lawn Tennis.
   52. stevegamer Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4641442)
I've taken the Jeopardy test twice, and as others have said, it's really hard. This was the written test probably 15+ years ago. I passed once, didn't pass once - and I was out of college by about a decade when I took it. I had probably finished my MBA in the evenings, but that's basically useless for trivia purposes. Now that I'm well over 40, I'm certain my buzzer skills have deteriorated badly from my College Bowl days, to say nothing of the freshness of my knowledge.

The TD record depends on if you mean passing TD's or actually physically scoring the ball by possessing it int he end zone. Peyton Manning set the passing TD record this year.

   53. winnipegwhip Posted: January 18, 2014 at 12:52 AM (#4641444)
Nothing to add but a perfect for an SCTV parody of Alex Trebek

Alex Trebel

Legend has it that Trebek once cleared an audience from a studio during a Reach For the Top episode. This is based upon that.
   54. EddieA Posted: January 18, 2014 at 01:36 AM (#4641450)
the show demands contestants score between 60 and 90


You mean I'm supposed to tank it? Missed that boat.
   55. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: January 18, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4641451)
I kicked ass on the online test, got an invite to the regional tryouts, drove to St. Louis, aced the written test, beat my opponents in the practice game (though I did miss one answer), made the judges appear to be happy with my answers to the personal questions, yet still didn't get a call back. The pool is just too damn big. That was my only chance at it, and I suspect the only one I'll ever have.
   56. Don Malcolm Posted: January 18, 2014 at 02:28 AM (#4641453)
So I just posed this question to my mother who knows nothing about baseball. It took her about 3 seconds to answer "Roger Clemens."


Sure, but she's the mother of God, for Christ's sake, so what would anyone reasonably expect??
   57. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: January 18, 2014 at 04:19 AM (#4641458)
Which, of course, leads to my favourite sketch from Key & Peele.


Until this one, the only one i had seen previously was the one making fun of idiots who leave the tags and stickers on hats, which was pretty good.
   58. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 07:06 AM (#4641459)
I kicked ass on the online test, got an invite to the regional tryouts, drove to St. Louis, aced the written test, beat my opponents in the practice game (though I did miss one answer), made the judges appear to be happy with my answers to the personal questions, yet still didn't get a call back. The pool is just too damn big. That was my only chance at it, and I suspect the only one I'll ever have.


They're screening for how they think you'll look on TV in addition to how well you know the material, right?

I know--okay, not personally, but from people--that the pus-infested open wound on society that is modern game shows like Deal or No Deal actively screen for contestants of middling intelligence who get hyper at everything, and the screening process mostly involves determining who is genuinely over-emotional and who is just faking it to get on TV.
   59. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 18, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4641462)
if they asked me who scored the most touchdowns in football i wouldn't know

Neither would I, and I'm a dude. I don't follow the NFL at all. If I had to guess at the answer to Lisa's question, I'd guess ... uh ... Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders? I really have no idea. Though I'm guessing those answers aren't quite as dumb as the ladies' guesses above.

Single-season: Manning, just set this year.
Career: Farve, although Manning will pass him next year, unless he retires or is hit by a bus...
   60. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 09:18 AM (#4641463)
Much like how if it's about hockey just say "Wayne Gretzky", the answer to pretty much any question regarding a receiving record is Jerry Rice.
   61. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4641490)
the show demands contestants score between 60 and 90



You mean I'm supposed to tank it? Missed that boat.


I'm pretty sure this isn't true, actually.
   62. donlock Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4641496)
if they asked me who scored the most touchdowns in football i wouldn't know

Neither would I, and I'm a dude. I don't follow the NFL at all. If I had to guess at the answer to Lisa's question, I'd guess ... uh ... Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders? I really have no idea. Though I'm guessing those answers aren't quite as dumb as the ladies' guesses above.


Single-season: Manning, just set this year.
Career: Farve, although Manning will pass him next year, unless he retires or is hit by a bus...


Alex sneers...

Jerry Rice scored 208 touchdowns. The question is who scored, not threw, the most touchdowns.

Do I get to go on the show now?
   63. Morty Causa Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4641497)
Yes, it's like assists and putouts in baseball. And depending on the position, one tells you more about the value of a player than the other.
   64. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4641501)
Yes, it's like assists and putouts in baseball. And depending on the position, one tells you more about the value of a player than the other.

Hey--Marv Throneberrry has more putouts than Greg Maddux
   65. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4641507)
every time I see a post like #46, I think "God has a Mother?...


Yes, you've probably heard of her. Maybe even seen pictures.
   66. Answer Guy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4641537)
Ugh...sitting in the Jeopardy contestant pool (had an audition 14 months ago, got 4 more months to hear from them, not expecting the call.)

I'm unimpressed with most of the recent episodes, and seeing this makes me wince. (OK, baseball is a specialty category to an extent, but I still think I get to ridicule you if you ring in with a ludicrous answer like Pete Rose.)

Funny....I'm in an online trivia league with a bunch of Jeopardy! champs too. (Sadly, they just realigned, so I won't be in the same division as the most famous J! champ of them all anymore...) Wonder if it's the same one. My invites this season are two BTF fellow travellers.
   67. Darren Posted: January 18, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4641549)
Who else is unsurprised that Answer Guy is a Jeopardy guy?
   68. Morty Causa Posted: January 18, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4641572)
Well, Buzz, if that is your real name....
   69. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4641595)
the only one i had seen previously was the one making fun of idiots who leave the tags and stickers on hats, which was pretty good.


I have an issue with bagging on people who do this, at least people who aren't ignorantly appropriating poverty culture. The entire reason the fad started was because when you're poor and live in a poverty stricken area one way to show that you're not dead broke is to buy a nice, genuine, official cap. You want to keep the stickers and tags on it to show that it's official, that you actually spent the bread to buy it, to show that yeah you may live in subsidized housing but at least you have a rockin' lid going for you.

But since you're poor you can't actually afford to do it that often. So you make sure you take care of it, don't bend the brim, keep the stickers from peeling off, etc. so that it doesn't look to someone else like you're wearing a cap that you clearly bought ages ago. And when someone does muss it up for you, you get pissed, because you can't just afford to buy another cap- you have bills to pay, mouths to feed. It's the same thing with nice sneakers, the reason why people got/get into altercations when someone "scuffs [their] kicks" is because they've been doing their damnedest to keep that pure white sneaker looking like they day they bought it, and now it's clearly old and makes them look poorer. If someone came up to the car you bought in part because it signifies your social status and that you take care to keep clean and new and makes it look old and dusty, you're not going to be happy with them even if it is an accident.

But by all means, rag on the middle class kids from the suburbs who start aping this trend, because they're ####### ######## who don't even understand what they're doing.

(/end rant)

AG: You're in Learned League? I think I'm boned. I finished 9th in a B rundle and am getting promoted. I'll be shocked if I win 5 matches next season.
   70. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4641597)
I kicked ass on the online test, got an invite to the regional tryouts, drove to St. Louis, aced the written test, beat my opponents in the practice game (though I did miss one answer), made the judges appear to be happy with my answers to the personal questions, yet still didn't get a call back. The pool is just too damn big. That was my only chance at it, and I suspect the only one I'll ever have.

As long as you haven't appeared on the show, you're free to keep reapplying.

I applied for both the Teen and College Tournaments (passed test, didn't get picked), but the I applied for the regular show, and got on (aired in 2004). When I appeared, the application process was a single day thing. You took the written test, and if you passed, did a brief audition playing the game. Then you were called, or not.

I'd imagine the online test has widened the pool significantly, because you can cheat really easily (have 2 or 3 smart friends in the room). Before you had to send in a postcard, get picked, and then go to a hotel (or someplace similar) on a specific day to take the live test.
   71. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4641623)
I'd imagine the online test has widened the pool significantly, because you can cheat really easily (have 2 or 3 smart friends in the room). Before you had to send in a postcard, get picked, and then go to a hotel (or someplace similar) on a specific day to take the live test.


That's the point of the second test at the audition, I think. People who faked it by taking the test as a group have to do it on their own, and if they're not Jeopardy quality they won't make it.
   72. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: January 18, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4641625)
I have an issue with bagging on people who do this

I don't give a ####. It looks ####### ugly and ridiculous.
   73. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 18, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4641637)
The entire reason the fad started was because when you're poor and live in a poverty stricken area one way to show that you're not dead broke is to buy a nice, genuine, official cap. You want to keep the stickers and tags on it to show that it's official, that you actually spent the bread to buy it, to show that yeah you may live in subsidized housing but at least you have a rockin' lid going for you


So, in other words, to show that you're more interested in showing off than using what little money you have to accomplish something necessary or lasting? Yes, that's very worthy of respect and even admiration.
   74. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 04:43 PM (#4641638)
That's the point of the second test at the audition, I think. People who faked it by taking the test as a group have to do it on their own, and if they're not Jeopardy quality they won't make it.

True, but I don't really see what the point of the online test is then.
   75. Shredder Posted: January 18, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4641639)
My automatic answer is Emily Dickinson in any category about poetry. She always seems to be the answer to at least one question.
   76. Answer Guy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4641642)
AG: You're in Learned League? I think I'm boned. I finished 9th in a B rundle and am getting promoted. I'll be shocked if I win 5 matches next season.


Yep, I am an A Rundle dweller. I had a mediocre season last season but am hoping to rebound.
   77. Cabbage Posted: January 18, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4641644)
I kicked ass on the online test, got an invite to the regional tryouts, drove to St. Louis, aced the written test, beat my opponents in the practice game (though I did miss one answer), made the judges appear to be happy with my answers to the personal questions, yet still didn't get a call back. The pool is just too damn big. That was my only chance at it, and I suspect the only one I'll ever have.


I aced the online test, and missed the regional tryouts because I mis-read the invite. So, I concluded that I was not smart enough to be on the show.
   78. Answer Guy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4641647)
Yeah, the pool is huge. I saw that someone else who had the same occupation and the same home city as me appear on the other night. Pretty sure I could have eaten her for lunch on the actual show. The odds are pretty long, especially if you fit the demographics of a stereotypical Jeopardy contestant.
   79. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4641649)

So, in other words, to show that you're more interested in showing off than using what little money you have to accomplish something necessary or lasting? Yes, that's very worthy of respect and even admiration.


Showing off is an essential part of being human. Everyone does it; we can't not do it. Humans are social animals, and socialization is absolutely necessary for human health and well-being.
   80. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 18, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4641658)
Deal or No Deal actively screen for contestants of middling intelligence who get hyper at everything, and the screening process mostly involves determining who is genuinely over-emotional and who is just faking it to get on TV.

One of my favorite TV shows to watch when I lived in Finland was Wheel of Fortune. The classic stoic Finn is a sharp contrast to America's over-hyper clappers and yellers. Winners each round might give a small smile or very low-key fist pump but my favorite was the grandmotherly looking type whose dour expression didn't change at all when she won a round. But then they were playing for prizes like boom boxes and vacuum cleaners with the grand prize being an overnight cruise from Helsinki to Stockholm and back. Good times!
   81. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 06:06 PM (#4641659)
So....*coughs*...anyone got a LearnedLeague invite?
   82. EddieA Posted: January 18, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4641665)
The odds are pretty long, especially if you fit the demographics of a stereotypical Jeopardy contestant.


I think you mean applicant, because its obvious they are intentionally creating a diverse contestant group. I saw 2 people from my audition group of 20 on the show. The audition group itself was 80% what I think you mean when you say "stereotypical". The person in the group that I hit on, and the only one I would have considered hitting on, got the call a couple of weeks after the audition and was in the original contestant pool for the beginning of that upcoming season. I knew leaving the audition she would make it. Good for her, as she has the skill of making people feel good whenever they talk to her. The other one that got on the show was a 24 or 25 year old young man.

Years ago, I would have been a very good Jeopardy contestant, but I'm concerned that since (1) my speed in formulating answers is in the decline phase, (2) the explosion of the number of TV shows and pop stars I've never and chosen not to be exposed to, and (3) I look worse every year - the odds are only getting longer.
   83. McCoy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4641667)
I have an issue with bagging on people who do this, at least people who aren't ignorantly appropriating poverty culture. The entire reason the fad started was because when you're poor and live in a poverty stricken area one way to show that you're not dead broke is to buy a nice, genuine, official cap. You want to keep the stickers and tags on it to show that it's official, that you actually spent the bread to buy it, to show that yeah you may live in subsidized housing but at least you have a rockin' lid going for you.

But since you're poor you can't actually afford to do it that often. So you make sure you take care of it, don't bend the brim, keep the stickers from peeling off, etc. so that it doesn't look to someone else like you're wearing a cap that you clearly bought ages ago. And when someone does muss it up for you, you get pissed, because you can't just afford to buy another cap- you have bills to pay, mouths to feed. It's the same thing with nice sneakers, the reason why people got/get into altercations when someone "scuffs [their] kicks" is because they've been doing their damnedest to keep that pure white sneaker looking like they day they bought it, and now it's clearly old and makes them look poorer. If someone came up to the car you bought in part because it signifies your social status and that you take care to keep clean and new and makes it look old and dusty, you're not going to be happy with them even if it is an accident.

But by all means, rag on the middle class kids from the suburbs who start aping this trend, because they're ####### ######## who don't even understand what they're doing.


I seriously doubt a 16 year old kid from the projects over thought it like this. Your answer looks more like what some professor at Bard College might come up as an answer to this fad. What happened is what always happened. Somebody somewhere did it first and it started a fad. Young kids love brands and brand names are status symbols. That is why clothing targeting the youth have giant brand logos on them while clothing targeting a more mature audience have smaller and more discreet logos on them, if any at all. Part of the fad was there to show that you have an authentic cap instead of some cheap knockoff. Just like you had to have the Chuck Connor logo on your high tops for them to be the cool high tops. The other part of the fad had to do with making it look like you stole the hat.

What's next? Kids wore their clothing backwards to symbolizes the decline of their family and society structure?
   84. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: January 18, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4641672)
Next is getting a tattoo and leaving the needle in and the tattoo "artist" on a leash close behind !
We call that "taneedleashing" !
   85. God Posted: January 18, 2014 at 07:12 PM (#4641684)
I think that was Chuck Taylor. Chuck Connors's logo was a rifle.
   86. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4641689)
McCoy can forget about making it to Jeopardy, I suppose.
   87. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4641695)
John Connor gets real mad when you mess with his well maintained clothes because in the future SkyNet delivers Amazon's packages.

Showing off is an essential part of being human.


We're doing it right here on this thread. The idea that people compete for social status is not a very complex idea. It happens in pretty much every culture I can think of, and in some non-human animals as well.

I also think "looking sweet so the people I meet think I'm cool" is both simpler and more likely than "looking like I stole something so I can get props for being a gangster." And, y'know, not as immediately suspicious of an entire group's cultural mores.
   88. AndrewJ Posted: January 18, 2014 at 08:17 PM (#4641702)
I did a cable game show in college -- finished horribly but still collected around $300 and got free airfare and motel for a week.
   89. McCoy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 09:47 PM (#4641724)
I think that was Chuck Taylor. Chuck Connors's logo was a rifle.

That's what happens when your mother buys the cheap knockoffs instead of the real one. Your brain blocks out the name.
   90. McCoy Posted: January 18, 2014 at 09:48 PM (#4641726)
I also think "looking sweet so the people I meet think I'm cool" is both simpler and more likely than "looking like I stole something so I can get props for being a gangster." And, y'know, not as immediately suspicious of an entire group's cultural mores.

So you think a whole culture and race think wearing a sticker makes them look sweet?
   91. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4641741)
I was wondering when race was going to be brought into this. I'm not surprised, based upon your previous statements. You should probably check what you're saying before you go any further, McCoy.

Also, by group I meant people who adhere to this particular representation of status. Way to generalize it.
   92. esseff Posted: January 19, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4641753)
My brother was on "Jeopardy!" And "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire." And "Joker's Wild." Not sure how he hit the trifecta, but whatever he's got, it must be what they want.

(Didn't do very well on any of them, other than winning the fast-finger challenge on WWTBAM to make it up onto the stage with Regis.)
   93. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 19, 2014 at 12:13 AM (#4641757)
Scott, you didn't use the word race first, but you brought it up. Look at your statements critically.
   94. McCoy Posted: January 19, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4641760)
I was wondering when race was going to be brought into this. I'm not surprised, based upon your previous statements. You should probably check what you're saying before you go any further, McCoy.

Also, by group I meant people who adhere to this particular representation of status. Way to generalize it.


It's a trap!
   95. haggard Posted: January 19, 2014 at 12:30 AM (#4641761)
Mark McGwire and Pete Rose are players who are the subject of controversy because they weren't put in the hall of fame. I don't see how they are stupid guesses from someone who doesn't follow baseball.
   96. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 19, 2014 at 12:55 AM (#4641766)
Scott, you didn't use the word race first, but you brought it up. Look at your statements critically.


No, I pretty specifically tried not to use race related language. Hence why I used sweet and rockin' as adjectives, etc. And I sure as #### didn't generalize one group of people (which are primarily poor people of all races and ethnicities, predominantly male and young) as being endemic of a whole race, or that their fashion choices were immutable. And the idea that they act such because they want to show off that they're criminals? After already having in mind black men? That doesn't come across well. It wasn't a trap, McCoy put his own foot in his mouth. Which happens, no one is perfect and you don't have to be a bad person to put a foot wrong, but if it's unintentional and not conscious he should think about what he's saying and question why he's saying it.

And I ranted in the first place was because I felt like it's a misapprehended topic that becomes pretty easy to understand if you think about it for five minutes, but that for whatever reason is considered hopelessly backwards and foolish, and in a worse way than "kids these days are weird."

ETA: Now hopefully you don't go and act like Dylan Byers responding to Ta-Nehisi Coates, McCoy.
   97. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 19, 2014 at 01:19 AM (#4641775)
And to be absolutely clear, I'm not calling you a racist, McCoy.
   98. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 19, 2014 at 04:26 AM (#4641789)
But by all means, rag on the middle class kids from the suburbs who start aping this trend, because they're ####### ######## who don't even understand what they're doing.


Just how do you know by looking who's middle class and who's not?

In post 87, your original language, which you've now edited, included the word "group," which, as part of an attempt to not use race related language, made it pretty clear that you were attempting not to use race related language, which made it pretty clear that that the "group" in question had race as one of its contributing characteristics in your conception.

Please don't take these comments as insulting. No one here is or thinks anyone else is a racist. But sometimes race can be invoked just as clearly by not referring to it as by doing so.
   99. McCoy Posted: January 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4641814)
The people wearing the stickers are predominantly black. The middle class posers are predominantly white. You may not wish to talk about race but it is pretty clear who you are talking about when you talk about these groups.


But all of this is a sidetrack anyway. I believe your initial point is wrong. I don't believe some poor kid (and race is irrelevant to this) when he gets a hat and keeps the stickers on is thinking the way you claim they are thinking.
   100. Kurt Posted: January 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4641819)
I don't believe some poor kid (and race is irrelevant to this) when he gets a hat and keeps the stickers on is thinking the way you claim they are thinking.


Some of them might. I question the assumption that every single poor person does it for Correct and Approved Reasons, and that they aren't every bit as capable of simply aping trends as middle class suburbanites. I also think copying trends is part of being human, just like showing off, and doesn't really make someone a ####### #######.
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