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Jesus Montero gets heckled by Mariners cross checker during rehab stint

According to a game offical, the cross-checker then ordered an ice cream sandwich and had it sent to Montero in the dugout, escalating the confrontation further. The official said Montero—who arrived at Mariners Spring Training 40 pounds overweight this season—approached the stands with a bat while screaming profanities and threw the sandwich at the cross-checker.

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   1. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:32 AM (#4781458)
What the hell is a "cross-checker"?
   2. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:41 AM (#4781459)
A scout. Who should now be unemployed.
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:42 AM (#4781460)
My understanding is that it's something like a manager for scouts, in that (s)he travels around confirming scouting reports and making sure that when Scout A says a prospect has 60 power, that means the same thing that it means when Scout B says a prospect has 60 power.

It's also a guy who clobbers people with a hockey stick held parallel to the ice surface.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:29 AM (#4781471)
It appears that this cross-checker was confirming that Montero is a 60 eater.
   5. Spahn Insane Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:46 AM (#4781475)
It appears that this cross-checker was confirming that Montero is a 60 eater.

But with a higher ceiling.
   6. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4781484)
Who would have thought 2012 would be Montero's career year?
   7. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 29, 2014 at 09:00 AM (#4781487)
Who would have thought 2012 would be Montero's career year?


It wasn't. His 18 game stint with the Yankees in 2011 was his career year.
   8. Weratych Posted: August 29, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4781528)
Montero attacked a cross- dresser?
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4781565)
Who would have thought Miguel Montero would have 6850% as much career WAR as Jesus Montero by now?
   10. Batman Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4781580)
No matter how cross a checker has been with me, none of them have ever sent me ice cream.
   11. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4781591)
I figured it was some regional standards officer at the local dioceses.
   12. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4781596)
I think it was nice that he sent him some ice cream myself.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4781600)
A scout. Who should now be unemployed.

Heck, I'd promote him. That takes some guts, and, to quote Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, "he's got guts, and guts is enough".
   14. bfan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4781611)
Montero giving up his sandwich (by making it a projectile) at least shows some evidence that he has his eating under control.

Seriously, though, isn't the last thing a scout (or cross-checker) should want is to be noticed?
   15. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4781672)
AquaSox?
   16. ursus arctos Posted: August 29, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4781678)
Yeah, though their logo and home cap badge is a frog, and their away cap has a Mariners "trident" M turned sideways to look like an E. They don't even wear aqua sox.

Echoing 3, I thought that this was somehow related to Seattle's campaign for a NHL team, given the current rumblings about the league's interest in expanding.
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4781684)
Whowould have thought 2012 would be Montero's career year?


It wasn't. His 18 game stint with the Yankees in 2011 was his career year.

Obviously he just couldn't handle the scandalmongering Seattle media.
   18. The District Attorney Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4781850)
Seattle Times:
Baccala denied attempting to provoke Montero — who gained notoriety this spring for reporting to camp 40 pound overweight — in any way.

“Of course I wasn’t,’’ Baccala said. “Why would I? I work for the Mariners. I’ve worked my ass off for the Mariners. Why would I do anything to hurt anybody. That wasn’t even close to the intention.’’

Baccala said he couldn’t reveal more without first talking to Zduriencik, who has said he is investigating the matter fully.

“I don’t want to lose my job,’’ Baccala said, adding he’d provide more detail later. “I love my job.’’

Baccala at first denied the ice-cream sandwich story, then said he couldn’t comment on it one way or the other. He suggested a reporter check whether they even sell ice-cream sandwiches at Memorial Stadium in Boise, where the game was played.

Todd Rahr, president and general manager of the Boise Hawks, who oversees operations at the stadium, confirmed that ice cream sandwiches are sold there during games.
   19. Textbook Editor Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4781897)
Re: the quotes in #18... I mean, the obvious question is: why do anything like that? What on earth could the intention have been? Why not just do your job, watch the game, scribble your notes, go home?

I mean, I get Montero should have just let it go and then expose it to the press later if he wanted to be the "good guy" in the situation... But seriously WTF could this guy have been thinking?

I'd think even sending a note to a player in the dugout saying "Hey, you had some great ABs tonight!" would be ill-advised. This is all just bizarre--do scouts routinely contact players/offer food during games in the minors?
   20. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4781915)
Baccala at first denied the ice-cream sandwich story, then said he couldn’t comment on it one way or the other. He suggested a reporter check whether they even sell ice-cream sandwiches at Memorial Stadium in Boise, where the game was played.

It sounds like his defense is "it was actually a Drumstick."

Jack Z. is obviously losing control of his underlings.
   21. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4781926)
“I don’t want to lose my job,’’ Baccala said


You lost that job 10 years ago when the show went off the air, Bobby.
   22. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4781930)
Jack Z. is obviously losing control of his underlings.

Clearly what he needs is a further contract extension to solidify his position.
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4781932)
Jack Z. is obviously losing control of his underlings.

Maybe this was a Code Red that went astray.
   24. madvillain Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4781936)
Re: the quotes in #18... I mean, the obvious question is: why do anything like that? What on earth could the intention have been? Why not just do your job, watch the game, scribble your notes, go home?

I mean, I get Montero should have just let it go and then expose it to the press later if he wanted to be the "good guy" in the situation... But seriously WTF could this guy have been thinking?

I'd think even sending a note to a player in the dugout saying "Hey, you had some great ABs tonight!" would be ill-advised. This is all just bizarre--do scouts routinely contact players/offer food during games in the minors?


I'm with you. What a dick move from the scout. Fireable offense IMO. Seems like baseball scouts are the scum of the earth.
   25. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4781937)
Where would you rank Ice Cream Sandwiches in terms of ballpark concessions?
   26. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4781940)
Todd Rahr, president and general manager of the Boise Hawks, who oversees operations at the stadium, confirmed that ice cream sandwiches are sold there during games.


[phone rings]
Todd: "Todd Rahr, here. How can I help you.
...
Todd: "What? You want me to do what? I'm running a team here..."
...
Todd: "Fine." [holds phone away] "Hey, Sarah! Do they sell ice cream sandwiches here?"..."They do? Thanks!"
...
Todd: "Yes, they sell ice cream sandwiches. Do you want me to inquire on the condiments available for hot dogs, while I'm at it?"
   27. The_Ex Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4781944)
Keith Law says it was an ice-cream helmet, not a sandwich.
   28. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4781946)
My theory: this fellow is actually an amateur scout, right, who maybe got some work scouting the low minors because it's a slow time in the draft year? He's maybe used to everyone thinking he's hilarious because he's the scout everyone in town has been waiting for.
   29. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4781949)
Where would you rank Ice Cream Sandwiches in terms of ballpark concessions?


Dragging off-topic, but at the Grand Canyon there's a little road that cars can't go down - you either walk or take their shuttle bus. At the end of that road there's a little snack stand, and at that snack stand you can buy a Klondike Bar. That's the clearest demonstration of American economic muscle that I've ever experienced.
   30. JAHV Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4781950)
Where would you rank Ice Cream Sandwiches in terms of ballpark concessions?


6th best.
   31. Sonic Youk Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4781951)
How do you even get an ice cream sandwich sent to the dugout? Whose job is it to bring it down there?
   32. Batman Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4781956)
How do you even get an ice cream sandwich sent to the dugout? Whose job is it to bring it down there?
If you sign Jesus Montero, you have to hire a guy to bring him ice cream. It's like Ichiro's translator or Dennis Rodman's Jack Haley.
   33. Textbook Editor Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4781957)
How do you even get an ice cream sandwich sent to the dugout? Whose job is it to bring it down there?


Another good question. And was the delivery guy tipped to deliver it, or is delivering food to the dugout considered part of the job? And has he ever delivered fried chicken and beer?

I mean, there's like a half-dozen things that are really screwed up about this story, and only one of them is Montero freaking out (and to me that's not even the most screwed up aspect of it).
   34. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4781966)
Dragging off-topic, but at the Grand Canyon there's a little road that cars can't go down - you either walk or take their shuttle bus. At the end of that road there's a little snack stand, and at that snack stand you can buy a Klondike Bar. That's the clearest demonstration of American economic muscle that I've ever experienced.

That's nothing. I went hiking in the Swiss Alps a few years ago. After a long hike up a fairly substantial mountain I was delighted to discover that at the summit there was a hut that sold cold beer. That's the clearest demonstration of European sophistication and taste that I've ever experienced.
   35. Ron J2 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4781981)
#34 I'm told the pizza joint at the summit of Everest is pretty good.
   36. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4782033)
There's an entire restaurant at the summit of Pikes Peak.
   37. Curse of the Andino Posted: August 29, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4782036)
Who would have thought Miguel Montero would have 6850% as much career WAR as Jesus Montero by now?


It's early, but Caleb Joseph of the O's has almost 10 times as much WAR as Montero, despite not playing in the majors prior to this year.
   38. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4782051)
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   39. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4782056)
Update:

Jack Z is royally pissed at both of them. Montero has been shut down for the season and the team "will put him in a program to help with his off-field issues." His statement:

First off, it is clear that both Jesus Montero and Butch Baccala engaged in behavior that is far below what we expect from members of our organization, including bad judgment at nearly every stage of this incident...

...Jesus Montero has been recalled from his rehabilitation assignment and is on his way to Seattle. Butch Baccala has returned to his home in the Bay Area where he will remain until further notice.


Seattle Times article with updated info: http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2024418207_montero30xml.html
   40. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4782059)
The punishment for Montero doesn't fit the crime -- he reacted as anybody would have -- so there must be other issues lurking behind the scenes with him.
   41. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4782061)
Who would have thought Miguel Montero would have 6850% as much career WAR as Jesus Montero by now

not ONE MLB player with the first name of "Jesus" has really ever accomplished anything. Jesus Alou is famous only because of his bros. As they said in TGABCFTABGB, "“Jesus McFarlane was a living testimonial to the fact that naming your child after a famous celebrity does not necessarily help. "
   42. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:41 PM (#4782067)
By the way, the scout in question, Butch Baccala, played exactly one game of pro ball in his life, for Bend in the Northwest League. He struck out six guys in three innings, gave up three runs, and never pitched again. There's got to be some kind of story behind that.
   43. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4782068)
When Baccala was working for the Reds in 2008, they apparently shut down his blog because some folks didn't like what he was saying about them.
   44. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4782086)
Another good question. And was the delivery guy tipped to deliver it, or is delivering food to the dugout considered part of the job? And has he ever delivered fried chicken and beer?

I mean, there's like a half-dozen things that are really screwed up about this story, and only one of them is Montero freaking out (and to me that's not even the most screwed up aspect of it).

Short season baseball is the premise for 'Bull Durham' really. The wall between players and spectators isn't nearly as thick. I'm guessing the scout was hanging out with the pitch charters, who of course play for the team, and somebody decided it would be funny to send food to their big-time teammate who didn't pay for the post-game spread like he was supposed to.
   45. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4782090)
By the way, the scout in question, Butch Baccala, played exactly one game of pro ball in his life, for Bend in the Northwest League. He struck out six guys in three innings, gave up three runs, and never pitched again. There's got to be some kind of story behind that.


BR Bullpen says he suffered a career ending shoulder injury (whether in that specific game or at another time, I don't know).
   46. God Posted: August 29, 2014 at 08:17 PM (#4782095)
When I was a kid, I used to hang out in the stands near the bullpen at our local Double-A park. The relief pitchers would sometimes send me to the concession stand to get them a hot dog or two during the middle of the game. In return, they'd give me an official Texas League baseball. Future Padre Rich Rodriguez was the one who started this barter system.
   47. The District Attorney Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4782163)
The punishment for Montero doesn't fit the crime -- he reacted as anybody would have -- so there must be other issues lurking behind the scenes with him.
Jack Zoidberg made this very clear:
What we intend to do and what we are in the process of doing in terms of Jesus Montero is we are going to separate the baseball part of Jesus Montero from the human element part of Jesus Montero. Our intent is to address Jesus’ issues. There’s a history here of things that have happened .We are very, very disappointed in him. I think more than anything else, from a human standpoint, we have to look at Jesus Montero as a person, as a father and as a husband and how can we help Jesus Montero and his family get through this. That’s our intent. That’s our first and foremost intent. We are in the process as we speak. WE are going to continue to do that. We have avenues that we intend to go down. And we will have in-depth conversations with Jesus and his family on how we can help him go on with his life. At the end of the day, we all hope that Jesus Montero becomes a big player and a good big league player. But if that is not the case, then we certainly hope we help Jesus Montero to grow up and be a man and be the kind of father and the kind of husband that he needs.

Ice cream roster (I guess there weren't many infield options):
2B: Bama Rowell (born Carvel William Rowell)

1B: Klondike Douglass, Scoops Carey

OF: Klondike Smith, Edward Breyer, Edward Sprinkle, Fred Cone, Darryl Strawberry, Jimmy Ripple, Roswell Edy

P: Al Baskin, William Baskin, Bruce Robbins, Jake Robbins, Steve Dreyer, Donald Gallon, William Fudge, Charles Sprinkle, Hank Sprinkle, David Cone, Bob Cone, Rocky Cherry, Charlie Ripple, Edy Benitez, Edy Blanco, Edy Severino

C: Edy Barthelemy, Dan Topping
   48. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 30, 2014 at 01:10 AM (#4782213)
Karl Spooner, Lucas Gelato(?), Billy Sundae
   49. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 30, 2014 at 02:24 AM (#4782229)
P: Donnie Wall
   50. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: August 30, 2014 at 05:42 AM (#4782242)
we certainly hope we help Jesus Montero to grow up and be a man


I'd say refusing to eat ice cream like a little baby and telling the jackass who tried to spoonfeed it to you, to go fuck himself, is acting like a man.
   51. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 30, 2014 at 05:59 AM (#4782243)
Heck, I'd promote him. That takes some guts, and, to quote Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, "he's got guts, and guts is enough".

You have that backwards. Montero is the one with the guts.
   52. Swedish Chef Posted: August 30, 2014 at 06:34 AM (#4782244)
I'd say refusing to eat ice cream like a little baby and telling the jackass who tried to spoonfeed it to you, to go #### himself, is acting like a man.

No, that's acting like a teen. An American man would have laughed, given the ice cream to a nearby child, and then phoned his lawyer to discuss just how much they should sue the Mariners for for the harassment, there could be spending money for an Escalade or two in it.
   53. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 30, 2014 at 08:25 AM (#4782257)
When Baccala was working for the Reds in 2008, they apparently shut down his blog because some folks didn't like what he was saying about them.

Maybe they shut it down because of Baccala's terrible spelling - e.g., his repeated self-serving comments in the linked extract about his own "proffesionalism".
   54. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 30, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4782297)
J Montero has a history of discipline issues -- not of the total psycho variety, a la Milton Bradley or somebody like that, but still. His weight gain from last season was subject to a lot of derision, especially given how poorly he's performed in the majors. This isn't the first time that the team has publicly indicated displeasure with his behavior -- just the most obvious.

Look, the scout was an #######, and knowing myself and my own temper, I might have gone after him, too. (Not an endorsement of said action, just an honest evaluation of myself.) But this could be the nail in the coffin of Montero's time with the M's. He's not good enough to tolerate this kind of thing from.
   55. The Duke Posted: August 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4782318)
"Butch, this is Jack. I've got a new long term contract and I need to clean up the garbage. Find some way to piss this guy off so we can kick him out of the organization. I've got your back, don't worry. Nobody even knows what a cross-checker is. After he's gone off the deep end, we'll issue a statement that basically says Montero has anxiety issues."
   56. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: August 30, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4782326)
One shoulder operation and a pine tar cheating scandal later, and the Yanks are still the winners of that trade.
   57. bookbook Posted: August 30, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4782366)
It's early, but Caleb Joseph of the O's has almost 10 times as much WAR as Montero, despite not playing in the majors prior to this year.


That's nothing. My ten-year-old has more WAR than Justin Smoak. And she's not particularly proud of that fact.
   58. Weratych Posted: September 01, 2014 at 02:00 AM (#4783029)
Somebody should tell Keith Law to quit drinking coffee, it stunts growth. What a joke.
   59. BrianBrianson Posted: September 01, 2014 at 08:21 AM (#4783045)
In China, I hiked about a half mile along the Great wall, up a mountainside where the walking surface was mostly steps inclined about 45~60 degrees. It was the middle of January, maybe 10 F outside - I started in heavy jacket, by the time I got to the guard/lookout station at the peak, I had stripped down to a T-shirt, and not only could I see my breathe, but the same fog was billowing off my body where skin was exposed.

In the guardhouse were two guys selling chotchkies and chain smoking cigarettes. That's the clearest demonstration of Chinese work ethic and disregard for the self that I've ever experienced.
   60. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: September 15, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4792182)
Baccala's been let go by the M's.
   61. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 15, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4792192)
Royals should pick him up. ####### scouts are the new market inefficiency.
   62. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 15, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4792239)
Shocking turn of events.
   63. Zach Posted: September 15, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4792422)
What we intend to do and what we are in the process of doing in terms of Jesus Montero is we are going to separate the baseball part of Jesus Montero from the human element part of Jesus Montero...

This is much funnier if you read it in the Zoidberg voice.
   64. Zach Posted: September 15, 2014 at 07:13 PM (#4792431)
As far as unprofessional heckling goes, you've kind of got to admire the crosschecker. Getting a player to charge the stands without using any profanity or commenting about his mother is pretty impressive.
   65. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: September 15, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4792440)
Oh please do tell us moar about the laziness of the Chinamen. Maybe add something about their women being opium addicted whores so you're sure to insult the whole spectrum.
   66. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: September 15, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4792478)
Methinks you have Brian's comment turned on its head, WBSM. Understandable, given that everything's upside down over on that side of the world.
   67. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: September 15, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4792487)
Must be why those Asians think with their head and not their ass like those Americans ;)

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